Tuesday, May 10, 2016

Showdown looms over North Carolina's bathroom bill

Update: North Carolina counter-sues the Department of Justice


The United States and North Carolina tangled over transgender rights on Monday, with the Justice Department filing a civil rights lawsuit over the state's so-called bathroom bill and state officials defiantly filing suits against the federal directive to stop the implementation of the controversial legislation.

Also, a major player in North Carolina -- the state's public university system -- defied the governor and legislature and told the Justice Department on Monday it intends to act "in compliance with federal law" as it relates to House Bill 2, known as HB2.

The Justice Department seeks declaratory relief and threatens to curtail federal funding to the North Carolina Department of Public Safety and the University of North Carolina.

Update: New polls show that what American's think about this issue depends upon how the question is worded

Washington Post

This is one of those issues where it's easy to slice and dice the numbers to make your case that you are doing the popular thing. Americans' -- and particularly Republicans' -- support for bathroom bills might depend how you frame the question. As we saw in Houston in November, opponents of an LGBT non-discrimination ordinance overwhelmingly defeated it by framing the issue about bathrooms, specifically the predators who might exploit an open-door policy.

It's deadline day for North Carolina Gov. Pat McCrory.

The U.S. Justice Department sent his office a letter Wednesday claiming that the state's controversial bathroom law is in violation of the Civil Rights Act.

They gave the Republican leader until the end of the business day Monday to respond with a solution to "remedy the situation."

The controversial law bans individuals from using public bathrooms that do not correspond to their biological sex.

McCrory says what he chooses to do at that deadline goes beyond the Tar Heel state -- it will affect the majority of Americans.

"This is no longer just a North Carolina issue," he said in a Fox News interview on Sunday. "This is a basic change of norms that we've used for decades throughout the United States of America and the Obama administration is now trying to change that norm -- again not just in North Carolina, but they're ordering this to every company in the United States of America -- starting tomorrow I assume, or Tuesday."

McCroy says he will respond by the deadline but he has not said how he will respond.

North Carolina could lose a lot of federal money if it fails to comply with the Justice Department -- potentially hundreds of millions of dollars for its universities alone.

The Justice Department also sent a letter to the University of North Carolina Board of Governors telling them that new law was in violation of federal law. They were given the same Monday deadline.

McCrory said Sunday that this action sets a precedent, with the federal government "now telling every university that accepts federal funding that boys who may think they're a girl can go into a girl's locker room or restroom or shower facility, and that begins I assume tomorrow." [...]


  1. Garnel IronheartMay 9, 2016 at 5:34 PM

    Americans seem to miss obvious solutions.
    Can't ban guns? Ban bullets!
    Troubles with trans folks? Ban urinals. Make everyone use a stall so it stays a private matter.

  2. How does this solve the problem of mixing before you get to the stall?

  3. If someone cuts of his ....... his DNA still remains the same. True, it wont grow back, but that's his tough luck.

    There is no absolute reality. Everything is objective. A 'male' doesn't mean someone who is genetically a particular thing, but instead it means a meaningless description one chooses to use for themself. One isn't a man because he has a particular physical attribute. One is a man because he likes to refer to himself as such. (It works well for the title 'Rabbi') I know someone who looks like a man but is really a cocker spaniel. I know a black man who fixes toilets all day just like a plumber but is really a white lady brain surgeon. Someone refused to call her what she really is, a white lady brain surgeon, and that person was breaking the law. The hospital that refused to hire her due to this bigotry, lost all federal funding.

  4. A world gone insane! Right is wrong and wrong is right. For Donald Trump, this is what made him a real potential president. People are happy to finally have a policy maker who will say exactly what he believes - whether loony or not - and do exactly what he believes.

  5. As far as I know, women's bathrooms already do not have urinals.

  6. North Carolina has fought back and sued the feds. Finally!

  7. Your analogies sound silly until you remember the case of the tanned white girl who passed herself off as black in order to be an activist in that community.

  8. What's the problem? Ploni(t) walks in, goes over the stall, closes the door. Many bathrooms in public places like the airport and some hotels don't even have main entrance doors, just a corner to go around to block the washroom area from view.

  9. It all sounds crazy, but it's really going on.

  10. Rush says NC should just declare that they are not North Carolina anymore and therefore cannot be sued.

  11. Tanned white girl is (supposedly) jewish.

  12. What if a woman wanted to freshen herself up before a mirror in a non modest way? How would this be possible with mixed bathrooms? What would prevent a predator from identifying young targets of the opposite gender in a sparsely populated bathroom?

  13. Rabbi Yitz Greenberg in last week’s Jewish Week:

    “This is a new organization, catalyzed by Rabbi Weiss, and its launch is scheduled for May 15 in a public conference at Congregation Kehilath Jeshurun in Manhattan. PORAT seeks to become a lay organization to advance the agenda of an inclusive, Jewish Peoplehood- oriented Modern Orthodoxy. Its first goal is to make clear that despite the co-opting of Modern Orthodox institutions by those on the right, a significant percentage of the community wants more equality and dignity for women, more inclusive treatment of gay and other minorities, and embraces the whole Jewish people. PORAT is calling for policies that respect and cooperate with the other groupings in Jewry and not to put them down or seek to advance Orthodoxy by exploiting or excluding them. “

    I’d like to see more fighting BDS, the radical Left, fighting anti-Semitism, fighting anti-Zionism and less fighting for “more equality and dignity for women, more inclusive treatment of gay and other minorities.”

  14. How about just seceding? How long will states put up with paying Federal taxes and then being blackmailed with threats not to return their own money?

    The American Revolution was fought over much, much less.

  15. On the topic of anti-zionism, I saw an article stating that the Neturei Karta are anti zionist and oppose a return to Israel until Moshiach comes. However, once Moshaich does come, even NK will fight in a Jewish army, bear arms, and impose Jewish law on nochrim there, and if necessary to expel them. So NK are potentially Tzionim too.

  16. The States do not pay any Federal taxes. Citizens pay Federal taxes.

  17. Of course, that's what I meant. The net effect is the same, that people pay money to someone who uses it as a weapon against them.

  18. I think what you (should have) meant is stop accepting federal money / grants.

  19. Eddie says: “On the topic of anti-zionism, I saw an article stating that the Neturei Karta are anti zionist and oppose a return to Israel until Moshiach comes.”

    Surely the Neturei Karta mourn bitterly for Jerusalem and pray to find comfort in Jerusalem.

    Isaiah 66:9-14

    “Shall I who bring on labor not bring about birth? —says the Lord. Shall I who cause birth shut the womb? —said your God. Rejoice with Jerusalem and be glad for her, All you who love her! Join in her jubilation, All you who mourned over her—That you may suck from her breast Consolation to the full, That you may draw from her bosom Glory to your delight. For thus said the Lord: I will extend to her Prosperity like a stream, The wealth of nations Like a wadi in flood; And you shall drink of it. You shall be carried on shoulders And dandled upon knees. As a mother comforts her son So I will comfort you; You shall find comfort in Jerusalem. You shall see and your heart shall rejoice, Your limbs shall flourish like grass. The power of the Lord shall be revealed In behalf of His servants; But He shall rage against His foes.”

    Reading Rashi and the Malbim on these passages. Isaiah says that the pains of labor indicates a birth coming. All who love Jerusalem, we can rejoice and join in Jerusalem’s jubilation. All those who mourn over Jerusalem, will suck at Jerusalem’s breasts with full consolation. Prosperity will flow to Jerusalem like a wadi in flood. We will see and rejoice. We will find comfort in Jerusalem. But He shall rage against His foes.


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