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With a shul in Philadelphia hosting a program for a visiting rav in
the home of Tamar and Adam, it seems pretty absurd to pretend that the Philadelphia rabbonim, especially Rabbi Shmuel Kamenetsky, oppose the annulment and remarriage.
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Wow! Mind boggling! “With a shul in Philadelphia hosting a program for a visiting rav in the home of Tamar and Adam, it seems pretty absurd to pretend that the Philadelphia rabbonim, especially Rabbi Shmuel Kamenetsky, oppose the annulment and remarriage.”
ReplyDeleteSurely, the Philadelphia rabbonim, especially Rabbi Shmuel Kamenetsky, support the annulment and remarriage. Passions, apparently, haven’t changed from (internet 2012):
“Supporters of Tamar Epstein, whose ex-husband, Aharon Friedman, refuses to give her a religious divorce, have been pressuring Friedman's boss, U.S. Rep. Dave Camp, R-Michigan, to fire Friedman. They have protested in front of Camp's office, signed a petition at change.org, started a website (freetamar.org) and in February, bombarded Camp's official congressional Facebook page. But Susan Aranoff, director of Agunah International, which supports Jewish women seeking divorces, said social media has little effect because many husbands still are resistant after all the bullets have been fired."
I watched the Larry Nadler show yesterday. Cool that Republicans got the vote delayed. See https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-fbis-fusion-fiasco-11576195213?mod=opinion_lead_pos9
“Fusion is the opposition-research firm the Democratic National Committee and the Hillary Clinton campaign hired in 2016 to kneecap Donald Trump.”
Didn’t Tamar (supporters) pay Mendel Epstein $60,000 to “kneecap” Aaron in the court records? Yet Philadelphia rabbonim, especially Rabbi Shmuel Kamenetsky, support the annulment and remarriage? Wasn’t the annulment based on a fake/phony document like the Steele document? When I made aliya July 1991 I seriously felt in danger of getting kneecapped. Whew I made it to the El Al plane on my one-way ticket. See http://www.israelnationalnews.com/Articles/Article.aspx/24870
Can anyone comment why she is not having children? Can't the gedoilim find a heter of kessef... if they can be matir eishes ish. How about a petri dish with a surrogate, huh?
ReplyDeleteChildren? ypu mean Momzerim
ReplyDeleteuhumm...
ReplyDeleteEhud says “Can anyone comment why she is not having children? Can't the gedolim find a heter of kessef... if they can be matir eishes ish. How about a petri dish with a surrogate, huh?”
ReplyDeleteGood, Ehud. But the real question is, can anyone comment on why the Philadelphia rabbonim, especially Rabbi Shmuel Kamenetsky give Tamar a pass?
I say that she doesn’t want children. That’s what my ex-wife once told me before I married her. I told her then I’ll do everything just you have the children.... Back to the parsha וישלח:
“On the third day, when they were in pain, Simeon and Levi, two of Jacob’s sons, brothers of Dinah, took each his sword, came upon the city unmolested, and slew all the males. They put Hamor and his son Shechem to the sword, took Dinah out of Shechem’s house, and went away. (Genesis 34:25-26).
See, the world accepted the 7 Noahide laws as vile crimes, not to be done and worthy of punishment. No pass for violating one of the 7 Noahide laws. Stealing, particularly kidnapping, is such a crime even non-Jews one recognizes as vile and evil. Arabs kidnapped blacks in Africa and sold them to buyers in America, hundreds of years ago. Very bad.
Simeon and Levi, took each his sword, came upon the city unmolested, and slew all the males. Why all the city? Because the males in the city protected their evil rulers Hamor and his son Shechem. How exactly Simeon and Levi killed the two perpetrators of the kidnapping, the Torah is clear: They put Hamor and his son Shechem to the sword. The gamara says this is the basis for the law how to treat a ben Noah for violating....
To Simeon and Levi the real crime was not the kidnapping but was the forced rape of Dinah: “Meanwhile Jacob’s sons, having heard the news, came in from the field. The men were distressed and very angry, because he had committed an outrage in Israel by lying with Jacob’s daughter—a thing not to be done.” (Genesis 34:7).
Interesting that Mendel Epstein is jailed for 10 years for kidnapping a fake recalcitrant husband and not for bad things he was accused for decades, which included the assault on Aaron when Aaron went to visit his daughter.
See https://www.wsj.com/articles/2020-democrats-think-attacking-bernie-sanders-is-not-smart-strategy-11576324801
“Elizabeth Warren and Pete Buttigieg have been sparring over their work histories and health-care policies in recent weeks, but one Democratic 2020 candidate who poses a major threat to both of them is for now going mostly unchallenged: Bernie Sanders. Aides to some of the Vermont senator’s competitors said he is getting a pass for a reason.”
The Philadelphia rabbonim, especially Rabbi Shmuel Kamenetsky give Tamar and Adam Fleischer a pass. I’d like to know the reasons. Can anyone comment? I don’t know. This is a mystery to me. I really don’t know why Tamar always had such passionate and strong support. Could anyone enlighten me? It’s not just radical feminism, is it?
what is worse?
ReplyDeleteto marry a woman and the children be mamzerim?
To marry a woman who cannot have children, eg due to age or other problem?
to marry a non jewish woman, and at least try to convert her either before or after?
seems to me the first 2 are assur
the third, whilst assur may also be reversed after the fact. the first 2 cannot, even if the woman gets a proper get
Kalonymus Anonymus asks “what is worse?”
ReplyDeleteWe saw an enjoyable movie Knives Out. A great who don it mystery. Everyone looks so bad and evil, with the killer the worse of them.
“The last loaf of bread will go for a harlot; A married woman will snare a person of honor. Can a man rake embers into his bosom Without burning his clothes? Can a man walk on live coals Without scorching his feet? It is the same with one who sleeps with his fellow’s wife; None who touches her will go unpunished.” (Proverbs 6:26-29). Dear Philadelphia rabbonim, especially Rabbi Shmuel Kamenetsky, stop giving Tamar and Adam Fleischer a pass.
Shtey tshuvos badovor! Hakessef ya'aneh es hakol. The K's feel endebted to the Epstein family, since Dr. Epstein was a big contributor to their Yeshiva. Secondly, Kessef metaher mamz.... this should have been enough of a heter for matir assurim in producing an offspring. They are not brazen enough to do so because of the backlash of a barrage of kole delo posik as a poseach al shnei haseifim.
ReplyDeleteThe first, is one that's called meuvess asher lo yuchal letaken. In Tamar's case, seems that she is practicing birth control.
ReplyDeleteThanks KA and Ehud for the upticks. Torah thought וישב
ReplyDelete“This, then, is the line of Jacob: At seventeen years of age, Joseph tended the flocks with his brothers, as a helper to the sons of his father’s wives Bilhah and Zilpah. And Joseph brought bad reports of them to their father. Now Israel loved Joseph best of all his sons, for he was the child of his old age; and he had made him an ornamented tunic. And when his brothers saw that their father loved him more than any of his brothers, they hated him so that they could not speak a friendly word to him. Once Joseph had a dream which he told to his brothers; and they hated him even more. He said to them, Hear this dream which I have dreamed: There we were binding sheaves in the field, when suddenly my sheaf stood up and remained upright; then your sheaves gathered around and bowed low to my sheaf.” (Genesis 37: 2-7).
My theory. The idea that Joseph would rule over his brothers came from his mother Rachel. Rachel so badly wanted a baby. When Joseph was finally born Rachel and Jacob doted over Joseph much telling Joseph what greatness is in store for Joseph. This is what I told all my 9 babies holding them upon their birth
“But that same day he removed the streaked and spotted he-goats and all the speckled and spotted she-goats—every one that had white on it—and all the dark-colored sheep, and left them in the charge of his sons. And he put a distance of three days’ journey between himself and Jacob, while Jacob was pasturing the rest of Laban’s flock.” (Genesis 30:35-36).
Those six years Jacob pasturing the rest of Laban’s flock, where were Rachel and Joseph? Surely, Jacob was living like a man rejoicing that he fathered a baby late in life. I had a special joy fathering at age 50.
Sarah and Abraham doted much over Isaac. They sent Ishmael into the desert with Hagar. Isaac knew he would rule. Jacob wrestled with Esau in the womb and in life. Esau pretended to be religious. Jacob got the birthright and Isaac’s blessings; “[Esau] said, Was he, then, named Jacob that he might supplant me these two times? First he took away my birthright and now he has taken away my blessing! And he added, Have you not reserved a blessing for me?” (Genesis 27:36)
Who would be worthy to rule after Jacob if not Joseph?
“Shul holding a shiur in the Fleischer home”
ReplyDeleteIn the K-G garbage heter we see a female supremacist. What she wants she gets. Yes, they argue, demonstrate, and shout loudly: unfair to women. This is the real reason the female supremacists put out for all to see: Shul holding a shiur in the Fleischer home
See https://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/273219
“I think that the BDS movement has put anti-Semitism in the spotlight with a massive megaphone that they have been granted on college campuses. It basically opens the Pandora’s box.”
The female supremacist is happy to show the world: “Shul holding a shiur in the Fleischer home.” The female supremacist use tactics of BDS. Alas, leading rabbis in Philadelphia including K and G are female supremacists along with ORA and Agunah International. In Lonna v Meir, Meir fights female supremacists.
Here is the answer to the mystery. In line with yehallelucho zar velo pichah, they cannot pat themselves on their own backs. Therefore, by giving a pass to the Tamar's and Fleischer's, Beakifin they are tooting their own horn and refinforcing that (zonso) Tamar kalosecho is in good standing, and "in your face" for all the Gedoilei haDor. Afra lepimayhu limegalei panim baTorah uposeach al shnei haseifim. They are still caught holding the bag, and cannot move to the next step of, "vayhi kemishlosh chadoshim", al ken haikar chaser min hesefer. For the entertainment of possibilities, am wondering if melacha shena'asseh al yedei acherim, kegon Ak"um that will place their yotzei chalotzov into a petri dish and plant the yetzir into a surrogate, not sure whether into a pnuyah or an eina bnei brit, yetzir ze ma tehe aleha, uma dinah? This is something of 4 shutfim bedovor, ze vozeh omrim sheli sheli lemechtze, shlish ulirviah, voeli voeli omrim Hefker BD Hefker resulting in a Yosom bli av. Do we have a Zofnas paneach in the house?
ReplyDeleteפתרון על ידי אם פונדקאית
ReplyDeletehttps://www.yeshiva.org.il/midrash/21054
עם התפתחות המדע כיום, ניתן להציע עוד פתרון לבעיית הממזרות, והוא על ידי אם פונדקאית. כלומר, במקרה שיש ממזרת הנשואה לישראל כשר, כאמור לעיל, הילד שיוולד מהם יהיה ממזר לחלוטין, אך אם הזוג ישכן את העובר ברחם אשה פנויה ישראלית אחרת, לדעת פוסקים רבים 50 הילד יתייחס אחר האם היולדת ויהיה יהודי כשר למהדרין, ואף אם לא ימצאו יהודיה אלא נכרית, הילד יהיה גוי, ועל ידי גיור ייהפך הילד לגר צדק כשר. הבעייתיות בפתרון זה היא שיש פוסקים 51 , שחולקים על הקביעה הנ"ל שבאם פונדקאית יחוס הולד הולך אחר הפונדקאית, ולדעתם היחוס נשאר ביד האם המקורית, אם הביצית. והרב אויירבעך 52 הסתפק בעניין זה ולא הכריע. נראה שלהלכה רוב פוסקי דורנו פוסקים שיש ללכת אחר האם הפונדקאית, ואם כן, יש לנו פתרון מעשי לממזרות.
^ 50.. הרב זלמן נחמיה גולדברג, תחומין ה 248. הרב עזרא ביק, תחומין ז 266. הרב מרדכי רלב"ג, תחומין כ 322. וכן הרב שאול ישראלי זצ"ל בתשובה שענה למכון פוע"ה.
^ 51.. הרב אברהם יצחק הלוי כלאב, תחומין ה 260. הרב יעקב אריאל, תחומין טז 171.
^ 52.. נשמת אברהם חלק ד אהע"ז סימן ה עמוד טז.
Ehud says “Here is the answer to the mystery.”
ReplyDeleteNo Ehud, friend.
Midrash Rabbah - Genesis LXXXIV:7
“JOSEPH, BEING SEVENTEEN YEARS OLD, etc. He was seventeen years old, yet you say, BEING STILL A LAD! It means, however, that he behaved like a boy, pencilling his eyes, curling his hair, and lifting his heel. AND JOSEPH BROUGHT EVIL REPORT OF THEM, etc. R. Meir said: [He told Jacob]: Thy children are to be suspected of [eating] limbs torn from the living animals. R. Judah said: They insult the sons of the bondmaids [Bilhah and Zilpah] and call them slaves. R. Simeon said: They cast their eyes on the daughters of the country. R. Judah b. Simon said: With respect to all three, “Honest scales פלס and balances ומאזני משפט are the Lord’s; All the weights אבני in the bag כיס are His work מעשהו.” (Proverbs 16:11).”
פלס ומאזני משפט לה' מעשהו כל אבני כיס. פלס. זה המקרא. ומאזני משפט. אלו הדינין. לה'. אלו ההלכות. מעשהו כל אבני כיס. זה התלמוד, וכל עושיהן עתידין ליטול שכרן לעתיד לבא.
I like R. Judah here. I bring support
אור החיים בראשית פרק לז פסוק ב
ואולי כי גם מטעם זה יצא חשד עריות כשיהיו נחשבים בעיניהם כשפחות ולא במדרגת נשים וחשב יוסף כי כוונתם של האחים כדעת הרמב"ם (הלכות עבדים פ"ט) בדין הבא על שפחתו סתם שהולד עבד עד שיפרש בפירוש שבא עליה לשם אישות, ומעתה כשאחיו מזלזלים בבני השפחות גילו דעתם כי מן הסתם הולד עבד והשפחות אין להם משפט אשת אב אלא כמפותת אביו ואנוסתו שהיו מותרות להם להזקק להם וחשדם שישכבו האנשים עמהם ואין רע לסברתם, ולסברת יוסף איפסקא הלכה כדעת הרי"ף (פ"ב דיבמות) שהבועל סתם עשאה בת חורין והולד כשר ודין נשי אביו להם, ועל פרט זה גם כן נתכוין באומרו דבתם רעה, ונענש יוסף על הדבר איך יחשוב בצדיקים שיטעו בדבר שהלא גם לדעת הרמב"ם יודה באדם צדיק כיעקב כי מן הסתם לשם אישות בעל. ועוד שבפי' אתמר (תרגום יוב"ע ויצא ל - ד) כשנתנום רחל ולאה כדי שיהיו בחזקת משוחררים נתנום ומן הסתם ידעו השבטים בדבר.
The Ohr Chaim says that marriage with a maid is not really a marriage. Non-Jews know very well maids that have babies fathered by noble in the castle have no rights. Tamar complains of her rights that Aaron fathered a daughter through her. Tamar claims that Aaron’s marriage to her was a מקח טעות. Amazing that Tamar got the K-G garbage heter and now defiantly shows the world: “Shul holding a shiur in the Fleischer home.”
The mystery to me is how Tamar gets away with her K-G garbage heter. The mystery to me is how Comey gets away with the Steele dossier...
Wonderful! I knew that I will get some learned reply from mar Kvodo. Very much appreciated of your enlightment.
ReplyDeleteAs you said last time, marbeh Yeshivah, marbeh chochma. Therefore, I can add moshav tov yoshavto, veten lechacham veyachkam od!
While discussing today's wonders, I am wondering, e.g. if a Doc would compose an embryo from bank donors of einom yehudim, implant it to a yehudi couple that could not conceive, then bore a child, ma tehe oleho? Does the Peter rechem and ubar yerech imo have any bearing? What would R' Note G/ the K's, say about it? Should Klall Yisrael accept such a child from this couple as Kosher, are we guilty of machzik yedei ovrei aveira? Some thoughts to ponder.
Daf Hayomi today Nidah 52a
ReplyDelete“IF A GIRL HAS GROWN etc. R. Abbahu citing R. Eleazar stated, The halachah is in agreement with R. JUDAH. R. Judah, however, agrees that if she was subjected to cohabitation after she had grown two hairs [So that there was a valid marriage kinyan (cf. Kid, 2a) after she had attained her majority], she may no longer exercise the right of mi'un. The colleagues of R. Kahana desired to give a practical decision [lit., to do a deed]21 in agreement with the ruling of R. Judah, although intercourse had taken place, but R. Kahana addressed them as follows: Did not such an incident happen with the daughter of R. Ishmael [who, after her father's death [I say the Romans killed him], while she was in her minority was given in marriage by her mother.]? She, namely, came to the schoolhouse to exercise the right of mi'un while her son was riding on her shoulder; and on that day were the views of R. Ishmael mentioned at the schoolhouse; and the Rabbis wept bitterly saying, Over a ruling which that righteous man [R. Ishmael] had laid down should his offspring stumble! For Rab Judah citing Samuel who had it from R. Ishmael stated: And she be not seized [Num, V, 13. E. V. neither she be taken in the act], [then only] [Sc. if she did not act under compulsion but willingly] is she forbidden [to her husband.], but if she was seized she is permitted. There is, however, another class of woman who is permitted [to her husband] even if she was not seized. And who is that? A woman whose betrothal was a mistaken one קדושי טעות [If, for instance, a condition was attached to it and the condition remained unfulfilled, or if the marriage was with a minor (in the absence of her father) whose act (even with the consent of her mother) has no validity. In such a case the woman may leave her husband without a letter of divorce and she has the status of a feme sole who had never before been married.], and who, even if her son sits riding on her shoulder, may exercise the right of mi'un and go away [since the marriage had no validity]. Thereupon they took a vote and decided: Up to what age may a girl [lit., the daughter] exercise the right of mi'un? Until that at which she grows two hairs. [On hearing this incident] they [R. Kahana's colleagues] abstained and did not act as they first intended. R. Isaac and the disciples of R. Hanina gave a practical decision in agreement with R. Judah, though the girl had been subjected to intercourse. R. Shamin b. Abba proceeded to tell it in the presence of R. Johanan; R. Johanan proceeded to tell it in the presence of R. Judah Nesi'ah [The Prince, Judah II] and the latter sent a constable [or a detachment of police, lit., searcher] who took her away [from her second husband who had married her in reliance on her mi'un].”
Wow, R. Judah Nesi’ah took her away from her husband (her second marriage). She relied on the mi’un to annul her first marriage. R. Ishmael’s view is that marriage with an underage girl is a Rabbinic ordinance and the girl could always do mu’un as long as she is underage---even if she had a baby. R. Judah Nesi’ah disagrees with R. Ishmael.
What would R. Judah Nesi’ah and R. Ishmael do if he were here today and the case of the K-G garbage heter came before Him? Surely they would take Tamar away from her second husband. Hello, Philadelphia rabbonim, especially Rabbi Shmuel Kamenetsky, are you listening?
As noted in my previous comment, there is a debate among the Poskim, regarding surrogate motherhood, who is considered the Halachic mother. Do we look at the source of the original egg, or do we look at the host mother?
ReplyDeleteBeyond that, we come back to the old debate between R' Moshe Feinstein z"l, and the Satmar Rebbe, regarding the permissibility of artificial insemination in the case of a Yehudi eishes ish. It can be argued, that their debate might also extend to the permissibility of implanting a fertilized embryo. וצ"ע.
My theory/analysis of Midrash Rabbah - Genesis LXXXIV:7
ReplyDeleteThe basic disagreement between Joseph and the brothers was that Joseph felt that they were under the 7 Noahide laws while the brothers argued, correctly that they were under the whole Torah, written and oral as given later in Sinai. Yes, all 12 brothers were deeply involved with the surrounding people fighting evil. They learned the importance of fighting evil from statements of their uncle Esau. Esau always put a front of righteousness. Esau claimed that fighting evil in this world is more important than studying Torah in tents of Shem and Eber. Esau killed Nimrod and stole from him. Esau did terrible acts. Probably took the princess, raped her, though she was married etc.
To the brothers a calf found in the womb of a slaughtered cow --- one may eat without slaughtering. To the brothers Bilhah and Zilpah were on a slightly lower plane than Leah and Rachel. To the brothers the daughters of the country were fit to marry.
Joseph and all the brothers behaved as Job:
“For I saved the poor man who cried out, The orphan who had none to help him. I received the blessing of the lost; I gladdened the heart of the widow. I clothed myself in righteousness and it robed me; Justice was my cloak and turban. I was eyes to the blind And feet to the lame. I was a father to the needy, And I looked into the case of the stranger. I broke the jaws of the wrongdoer, And I wrested prey from his teeth.” (Job 29:12-).
Wow, what language:
איוב פרק כט פסוק יז
וָאֲשַׁבְּרָה מְתַלְּעוֹת עַוָּל וּמִשִּׁנָּיו אַשְׁלִיךְ טָרֶף:
מלבי"ם איוב פרק כט פסוק יז
ואשברה מתלעות עול שבם יאכל את הטרף, והטרף הנמצא בין שיניו אשליכהו משניו ואחזרהו לבלעים, והטרף שכבר אכל אשבר מתלעותיו, ר"ל אעניש אותו על השוד והעושק:
The Malbim says that Job would break the jaws of the thief to get what the thief stole to return stolen items to their owners. If the thief swallowed the items, Job would punish him for his pillage and rapacity.
pillage definition: 1. to steal something from a place or a person by using violence, especially during war:
rapacity definition: the quality of having or showing a strong wish to take things for yourself, usually using unfair
This is how Joseph ruled ancient Egypt for 80 years.
And look how they repaid us in Egypt.
ReplyDeleteKalonymus Anonymus “Shalom prof. Gerald What was the source you found a few months ago, when you said rav Rackman has”
ReplyDeleteNo. A woman whose betrothal was a mistaken one קדושי טעות in the Gamara has a definite/narrow meaning. In the K-G garbage heter there is no mistaken betrothal/marriage just garbage. Don’t bring in Rav Rackman. We should strike out from our conversations all mentions of mistaken betrothal/marriage, of cases as Tamar v Aaron after years with a child born of the marriage. Why? Invites fake/phony documents and beatings---all what we see in the K-G garbage heter. Very bad: “Shul holding a shiur in the Fleischer home” It was better with before the K-G garbage heter (internet 2012):
“Supporters of Tamar Epstein, whose ex-husband, Aharon Friedman, refuses to give her a religious divorce, have been pressuring Friedman's boss, U.S. Rep. Dave Camp, R-Michigan, to fire Friedman. They have protested in front of Camp's office, signed a petition at change.org, started a website (freetamar.org) and in February, bombarded Camp's official congressional Facebook page. But Susan Aranoff, director of Agunah International, which supports Jewish women seeking divorces, said social media has little effect because many husbands still are resistant after all the bullets have been fired."
MiMedinat HaYam says “Wasn't married. But betrothed And didn't rape her. And where'd you get princess? Tosfot BB 'ba al naarah haMeurasa'”
ReplyDeleteתוספות מסכת בבא בתרא דף טז עמוד ב
בא על נערה המאורסה - ואם תאמר והלא לא נצטוו בני נח על נערה המאורסה כדאמרי' בפ' ארבע מיתות (סנהדרין דף נז: ושם ד"ה לנערה) בעולת בעל יש להן נכנסת לחופה ולא נבעלה אין להן ואומר ר"י דאף על פי שלא נצטוו מכל מקום מכוער הדבר כמו ושט את הבכורה אף על פי שאינו מצווה על כך.
תלמוד בבלי מסכת סנהדרין דף נז עמוד א
אמר רב יוסף, אמרי בי רב: על שלש מצות בן נח נהרג: (גש"ר סימן). על גילוי עריות, ועל שפיכות דמים, ועל ברכת השם.
Sanhedrin 57b
“For R. Hanina taught: They recognize the inviolability of a woman whose union has been consummated, but not if she merely entered the huppah without the union having been consummated.”
Right, MiMedinat HaYam. Nowhere says that Esau raped or had consensual sex with a married woman. Rabbi Joseph says heathens are executed for 3 sins: murder, adultery and “blessing” the Divine Name. Esau did not commit murder, adultery or “blessing” the Divine Name. The progenies of Esau did terrible sins. See http://www.israelnationalnews.com/Articles/Article.aspx/14551
Bravo to non-Jews that support Israel, such as Trump, his staff, and Republicans.
See
http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/273523
“Hebrew-speaking Saudi blogger Mohammed Saud who endorsed Netanyahu sings 'Al Hanissim' in honor of Hanukkah”
Yes I’ll vote for Netanyahu and Trump. I and my 3 daughters will vote in 2020 US elections for Trump. This is my Hanuka Torah thought some years ago: http://www.israelnationalnews.com/Articles/Article.aspx/18035