הובאו לפני דבריהם של הרבנים הגאונים דייני בית הדין קבוע דבאלטימור
שליט"א, ראש ישיבת נר ישראל הרב אהרן פלדמן שליט"א, ראב"ד דמאנסי
כבוד הרב שמואל יהודה לייב לאנדסמאן שליט"א אודות המעשה הנורא של התרת אשת
איש לעלמא בלא גט רח"ל דבר שפוגע בקדושת הנישואין וקדושת עם ישראל.
מאחר והתרת אשת איש לעלמא בלא גט לא נעשתה ע"י בי"ד חשוב
ובלא הסכמתם של גדולי תורה ופסיקה והושתתה על הפקעת קידושין בלא גט מכח מקח טעות.
חובה להקים בי"ד חשוב של דיינים מומחים, ובדחיפות שיזמינו את האיש
והאשה ????? (אולי וזאת?) ע"מ לאפרושי מאיסורים חמורים, ושמירה על קדושת הנשואין
וקדושת עם ישראל.
באתי על החתום להיות שותף לפסיקתם ומחאתם של גדולי התורה והפסיקה, <חתימה>
Extremely difficult to read. Can you please transcribe
ReplyDeleteCan you please explain why it appears that you have made it your mission, and duty to educate the entire world about this specific case?
ReplyDeleteDo you have a personal shaiches (connection) to the Epstein-Friedman saga?
Do you have something against the Kamanetzkys?
I'm not trying to be antagonistic, nor be rude.... I am just very curious
....
There are so many other issues in the Jewish world at this time....
Please reread the letters of Rav Sternbuch and Rav Aharon Feldman and the Baltimore Beis Din. The answers to your questions are rather obvious if you have kept up with the revelations in the documents.
ReplyDeleteTrue there are so many issues in the frum community that needs fixing but two points one is that a blog won't be able to fix them but in this case just poeple talking about it will help as it has and second this is something meforash in the torah that let go might become the norm
ReplyDeleteYes there are many other issues. Which one do YOU consider most important to the exclusion of this one? Who do you feel should deal with this one and should they wait until ALL those other issues have been resolved?
ReplyDeleteWhen Mr. Jeremy Stern was in Las Vegas organizing a protest against a man supposedly with a seruv on him, he was asked why doesn't he do the same against a man that definitely has one issued on him? He answered that he is only there to help an "agunah", not a widow.
People have asked me much the same question as yours when I publicize the persecution of the widow and the crookedness of the current regime at Young Israel ( http://cleanupyoungisrael.blogspot.com/
) even though I was cheated out of tzedakah money and attacked by Young Israel. Some would say I am going after them for revenge (I did take them to a Din Torah which they failed to obey). Isn't it better that Daas Torah is pursuing this case altruistically?
Good question, is there a personal agenda here as we see there is with most of the discussions? For almost all the posters it seems highly personal. And most are angry about their own perceived injustice, so they are taking out their anger and frustration here.
ReplyDeleteThings must be really tough in Philly these days. It's must be hard to live in a city, where the rabbinic leadership of the city's flagship yeshiva has painted themselves into a corner that they have difficulty in extricating themselves from. If your husband is a member of that yeshiva, then things get exponentially more difficult, especially for an innocent unlearned woman. On one hand she'd like to respect the yeshiva that her husband studies in, but it's pretty hard to do so, when practically every posek has slammed the shenanigans that were orchestrated by certain prominent individuals.
ReplyDeleteAre you talking about Mekach Taos when it is legitimate? There is room for different opinions, is there not? What exactly are you referring to when you say "this is meforash in the Torah"? This case? Or using a Mekach Taos? What if a women marries a homosexual and then he has an affair with another man, refuses to give a get, no children, just spite. And it's clear she didn't know he was gay and he was so before the marriage? Don't you think that should be left for the gedolim to decide and give a heter. So then, we are really only talking about this specific case, the others that you don't know about need to be looked at quietly by those that know how to resolve it, unless of course, you don't care. People talking about it? Meaning this case? This case is not the norm, every case is different.
ReplyDeleteThe same could and should be asked of Jeremy Stern and his gangsters.
ReplyDeleteSo go somewhere else.
ReplyDeleteHello.
ReplyDeleteI know nothing of the particulars regarding what motivates the blog owner and commentators here.
For arguments sake, though, let's assume the worst, that they've made this case their mission for all the wrong reasons.
(And one could suggest the same regarding all the players, including the Rabbonim who've written against hetter and the Kamenetskys themselves.)
Even if that's true, though, one must still deal with the facts.
In other words, does the case against the hetter have merit?
Asher K...I agree with you, the widow in Las Vegas is an issue that should be explored, and other issues as well. Why isn't that case discussed here, except when you bring it up? The Rechnitz post was a breath of fresh air, but now we are back to this again. I wonder how many kids who are not accepted into yeshivas are later on OTD? Very serious issue. Let's hear about what is happening in Las Vegas from the moderator. It is important for us to know more. But this has become a one trick pony show.
ReplyDeleteIsrael Reader, no need to be so condescending to Philly Women She asked a polite reasonable question. You are making the assumption she is an unlearned women. Her questions deserve answers, I have the same polite questions, as do many readers who are afraid to post here because the tone is so rude. Look at Michelobs response to me, "so go someplace else", rude. Uneducated response. Typical.
ReplyDeleteWell I guess it doesn't bother you when other Jews destroy the torah
ReplyDeleteTzvi, I don't know who "Philly Woman" is, and which community in Philly she may be part of. (For that matter she may be a troll, and not from Philly at all).
ReplyDeleteIf I came across as condescending, that wasn't my intent. If I had intended to be so, I would have been much more acerbic. In formulating a response to her, I tried imagining myself being a hypothetical woman in Philadelphia, whose husband is learning in the yeshiva there. The results of my exercise in projection were pretty dismal, which led to desire to convey my sympathy for her situation.
As for your charge that I'm assuming that she's an unlearned woman, I suggest that "unlearned" is a relative term. A woman could have gone through Bais Yaakov and seminary, but still lacks basic information regarding the gravity of the issues involved in this discussion. IMHO that qualifies for "unlearned" (in this matter). Which is why RDE politely suggested to her to (re)read earlier posts on the subject.
But here it's not a legitimate case of mekach tous that's why we are screaming and we will keep at it till they back down
ReplyDeleteThis is a very loaded question , equal in my view to asking someone if they are still beating their wife. There can be no non-incriminating response. When you ask someone who feels passionately about an issue whether they have an ax to grind, howsoever they reply they will subject themselves to abuse.
ReplyDeleteIf they say that they are completely free of bias or prejudice, then the questioner will come back with a query as to why would they involve themselves in an issue which is none of their concern. Should they claim to be personally offended by the egregious nature of the questionable behavior, the rejoinder will be, " Aha! So you have personal "negius", you're biased in favor of one side. Your point of view is therefore invalid.
As to why this issue should rise above any other that affects Jews, it is because in the past 2,200 years there has never been a decree as devastating to "Kedushas Yisroel" as the Epstein non-Get "saga". The last time the Jewish people faced such a calamity was under the Seleucid rule , when those Greeks first attempted to enforce droit du seigneur, which aroused the full fury of the Hasmoneans. ( Why did they have to make such a big deal about it. After all it wasn't like forever; it only affected one night.)
Philly Woman, do you realize the negative impact this "hetter" has had on the Jewish family and the Jewish community? For, now any woman can end her marriage free from the necessity of a Get, by simply claiming that her marriage was a "mistake". No corroboration or evidence is needed to back up that claim, and no expert Rabbi need be consulted. Even is there is clear evidence to contradict that claim it is of no consequence. Woman will be able to deliberately engage in adulterous relationships and still present themselves as permitted to a Kohain, if they claim that they never were "really in love" with their spouse at the time of their marriage and therefore they did not consider themselves to be truly "married" to another. There is no shortage of Rabbis that would buy into that narrative, no that it has met with the imprimatur of Chareidi Rabbis.
The above is not a hypothetical; it is already happening in some communities across the U.S.
I recently spoke to a Holocaust survivor who wept copiously when the story broke. He said he would gladly have perished in the conflagration rather than survive to bear witness to this travesty.
Philly Woman, in your estimation, what burning issue affecting Jews, would you consider to be on a par with this catastrophic "hetter"?
Why do people comment on web posts?
ReplyDelete"The Psychology of Online Comments"
http://www.newyorker.com/tech/elements/the-psychology-of-online-comments
https://www.quora.com/Why-do-people-comment-on-websites-or-articles
Gangsters is right! I hope he never ever is accepted back again. They should ex-communicate him, and everyone will hopefully keep their distance from such a cruel being.
ReplyDeleteThe letter from Hisachdus Horabbonim complained that we nowadays, the poskim consent that we don't rely mekach to'us, it is a dangerous slope, only for 'big boys'...
ReplyDeleteI never knew Philly Yeshiva had a Kollel. .....
ReplyDeleteVerybon point response! Very well written. I guess I never thought of it this way...
ReplyDeleteAnd yes, this incident pains me tremendously - especially since I know all of the Epstein parties involved.
I happen not to agree with them, nor the Kamanetzkys ruling on this point.
I hold that one can not make a pesak -especially one has such vast implications - without hearing both sides.
Psychiatric evaluations can not be made without seeing the person.
And lastly, combining medical/psychiatric evaluation with halacha is a very complicated issue...
My challenge is trying to reconcile how this tragedy can befall the Jewish people through the hands of such a prominent Jewish family....
But then again the meraglim were very prominent leaders in the dor hamidbar as well....
It's just complicated on my end.
BH, my husband is a talmid chacham in his own right. I know, based of over hearing certain conversation that be does not agree with the heter. He has had questions on how the Epstein side has proceeded from day one....
ReplyDeleteHowever since he does not hold a public position, nor are people coming to him for eitza, he does not talk about the subject since a. No one will listen, and b. There are other people with more influence taking a stance.
But if asked he will state his opion, and hold strong ground if need be.
But since everyone thinks their way is correct, no one bothers asking....
And as they say, you can't wake up those who pretend to be asleep.
There is no mitzvah to bang on the bima if no one cares or will listen.
I understand, a lot of women have it worse. I see many women who won't even take 10 minutes to think rationally, because they are so biased.
ReplyDeleteSure I was biased once too, but I have learned to question (in a healthy jewish way) and learned years ago that the truth is most often not pretty....
Most people around me are falling apart... Some are becoming despondant, some detached, and most vindictive about those who question their leaders and akanim....
I'm just trying to figure out how to keep the ahava
Not to start an argument, but I'm just curious... Is it possible that this is a chalike daas?
ReplyDeleteThere are many times poskim disagree....
I will admit that I have not read any of the letters of Rav Feldmen or Rav Schternbach. I will preface by saying my husband disagrees with the heter, I myself question (purely with my common sense and not based of halachig knowledge) about evaluating someone without seeing them.... I myself question when ocd has made someone unfit for marriage....
But since a part of me has a shaiches to the Epstein side (I never hid that fact) I am trying to be meyashiv this saga in my mind....
And given my position I have really no one to ask about this....
Can someone, politely, and not in a rude manner explain to me why this can't just be another machlokes?
I'm sorry--can you please name an issue in the Jewish world more pressing than that of a highly regarded personage and his son (I will be nice and say "apparently") kicking the Torah out of the way to achieve their goals? That, in my opinion, is an issue that is even more pressing than eishes ish. It is very easy to kick a straw man like open orthodoxy every week like Pinny Lifshitz does in the Yated every week. It takes a lot more courage to blow the whistle on a senior rosh yeshiva while the great majority of the leadership in Klal Yisroel sit silent and the rest of the minions follow like little shepsilach.
ReplyDeletePhilly yeshiva has no kollel, so your hypothetical is not realistic.
ReplyDeleteEven without the yeshiva having a kollel, there are other kollels in town (Philadelpha Community Kollel, Russian Kollel, etc.) whose members may be alumni of the yeshiva. "Philly Woman" might be married to one of these yungeleit. In any event, the issue is moot for two reasons.
ReplyDeleteOne, my first point stands on its own. I repeat: "It's must be hard to live in a city, where the rabbinic leadership of the city's flagship yeshiva has painted themselves into a corner that they have difficulty in extricating themselves from".
Second, Philly Woman herself has acknowledged (above): "Most people around me are falling apart... Some are becoming despondent, some detached, and most vindictive about those who question their leaders and askanim...."
Evidently, my exercise in projection was unfortunately pretty accurate. Yeracheim Hashem.
"A mind is a terrible thing to waste". I'm glad to see that you're not wasting your mind. Instead, you're using it to think logically and open-mindedly. May Hashem help you to achieve the clarity of vision necessary to remain a Torah Jew, even in these troubling times.
ReplyDeleteSee my response to "Yehoshua".
ReplyDeleteIn the interest of Tznius and emes. I think it is worthwhile to question the appropriateness of having a back and forth with a woman commentator, who is clearly married.
ReplyDeleteTo answer and respond to questions is one thing. But I am noticing a back and forth of both personal and emotional details being shared.
Perhaps she is a man (she writes very yeshivish for a woman. Although it's possible that's how she speaks. My wife doesn't)
But perhaps one should ask himself why we are have actively engaged in fighting for the kedusha of am Yisroel and separation from arayos, while conversing with a possible eishis ish.
Just food for thought. I'm not labeling or accusing. Just want to appeal to our desire for kedusha vetahara.
Mefaresh
I don't understand your basic position. You claim you are trying to ascertain the facts - but at the same time you don't bother reading the many letters of major rabbonim that I have posted - both in Hebrew and in English translation.
ReplyDeleteYou are asking that I digest and organize the material specially for you so you can judge who is right. If you are not willing to read through the material - then I would politely suggest you leave it to those who are willing to invest the time and effort and just accept the views of one of them that you respect. This is a very major issue and it is best not to get involved in it on a superficial level
If you really want to understand- as a starter find Rabbi Malinowitz last letter then read Rav Feldman's letters and Rav Sternbuch's letters. Then read the letters of the Baltimore Beis Din. I have summaried the issues a number of times in various posts.
Are you proposing that the comment section be closed to women?
ReplyDeleteOr are you saying that men should not respond to women's comments and women should not respond to men's comments?
If you are saying the above then surely you assert that if I were giving a shiur to women - you would claim that I would not be allowed for a woman to discuss any issue or raise questions?
Do belief that a woman cannot discuss any issues with a posek?
A lot of women have it worse than what?
ReplyDeleteNo I am not suggesting that woman be barred from commenting.
ReplyDeleteI was pointing out something I noticed in the back and forth. Comments which included sharing emotions and details (e.g. It must be very hard for you etc.) I would assume that a man discussing feeling and emotions with a married woman borders on the problematic issues of kiruv hadaas.
I'm suggesting it may be an issue. Just something to keep in mind.
I'm not sure if "Mefaresh" feels that it's even appropriate that a man should give a shiur to women. Maybe he can tell us his position on this.
ReplyDeleteIt pains you tremendously. ...as it does everybody here.....an isolated island to unload these burdens. ...
ReplyDeleteFine, just you should have answered me first since I asked before :-(.....okay I'll get over it. .....:-D
ReplyDeleteYour husband searches for the truth, I nonetheless was perturbed lately that it is highly likely that the ones who can take a measure of action against this problem are those WITHOUT positions since they have nothing to lose. ....take Rav Dovid Eidensohn. . In that sense I feel that I have an obligation. ....
ReplyDeleteHaven't you learned the concept of supply vs demand?
ReplyDeleteMefaresh, for the record, I don't think that my comments are in any way
ReplyDeleteproblematic. If you disagree, then you can send me a private e-mail via
the blog owner, spelling out your areas of concern.
In an appeal to your desire for kedusha vetahara, I suggest that when you see a comment by someone alleging to be a female, you should make sure not to read it. Nor should you read any comment written in response to the above mentioned female, since that might also cause you problems.
In addition, for all you know, I too may be a married woman, so you also shouldn't read my own comments. ספק דאורייתא לחומרא.
Finally, I refer you to a "revolutionary" quote, which you might not have heard of. Here goes : מן הזהירות שלא תרבה להזהר
Did you ever hear of such a saying? I didn't make it up. It's quoted by the author of the sefer חובת הלבבות in his introduction.
While we don't subscribe to the slogan of "Just do it!", which reflects an extreme disregard for זהירות in making חשבונות, we also don't paralyze ourselves with the other extreme of מרבה להזהר. This isn't a form of watered down זהירות, rather this is actually an integral part of זהירות, as the חובת הלבבות teaches us.
Worse in terms of being confused, angry, or acting just downright stupid, by attacking other gedolim who disagree with their own... How is that any better?
ReplyDeleteBit I feel bad for those women because they don't have anywhere to turn or incapable nof thinking for themselves.....
And that is a tragedy. In my eyes.
I do not know Mefare personally, I do need to stress that his point is on the mark, especially with the Chovos Halevovos. Mefaresh and Menachem B's concerns can be addressed with common sense or with a note to the moderator. If that doesn't work, then a mention here may be appropriate. I have not seen any issue which should be of any less concern to women than to men with equal consequences.
ReplyDeleteWhen a "gadol" does something that is clearly fraudulent, he ceases to deserve the title. In this case I hesitate to say that Shalom Kaminetzsky learned to lie from within his household. But unfortunately it appears his father went along with the sham "diagnosis" of Aharon Freidman that led to this fiasco.
ReplyDeleteMy apologies. For some reason, I only noticed your comment after I responded to Yehoshua.
ReplyDelete"There is no mitzvah to bang on the bima if no one cares or will listen".
ReplyDeleteThis blog, in some measure, is Rabbi Eidensohn's figurative "bang on the bima". You can swear by him, or swear at him, but evidently, many people out there are hearing his "klop": רבותי, עד כאן אומרים בשבת הגדול
I'm left scratching my head wondering from where in my comments you are unsure of my opinion
ReplyDeleteI'm not saying that it is forbidden to interact with women. Substantive discussion regarding facts and details is not an issue.
But imho, and you may disagree as you like, is that emotional conversation is conversation on a different level.
Kiruv hadaas
I don't think I am saying anything drastic. Or radical.
And if you would look at my comment history I have many times responded to women.
I just don't chat. Or commiserate on any emotional level.
And for the record I did not point you out and criticize you.
When did I voice any issue with reading a woman's comment??
ReplyDeleteI suggest re reading my comment
He seems to be doing a decent job.... Which is why there is no need for people like my husband to speak up....
ReplyDeleteBesides a blog reaches far out..... The people in filly are difficult to reach as they choose to be asleep now...
ReplyDeleteAnd you cant wake up.those who pretend to be alseep.....
Those who choose to wake up, have a blog to look at....
The emes is easier to find these days due to the world wide web....
And it's more crucial then ever since faulshood is everywhere...
It sounds like deja vu of LeDuvi beshanoisoi es ta'amoi. The Emperor is wearing women's rofl (Goldilocks ) clothes. Midvorov shel Adam nikar. poishet tsura velovesh tsura. it is already Adar in aphilydatedelphia.
ReplyDeleteI finally spoke a friend at length.... My real confusion and desire to believe the Epsteins and Kamanetzkys didn't error so gravely...
ReplyDeleteI think all local residents want so badly to believe that.... Myself as well.....
But at the end of day when the truth prevails and forces us to choose sides, it becomes an internal battle.
It's not something I can expect anyone to understand....
There is a sense of betrayl, violation, confusion, frustration, but most of all helplessness....
No wonder people have turned aggressive and point fingers at anyone they can just to escape thses conflicting emotions.....
So my basic position at this time is trying to deal with all these emotions rationally.....
I think I need a therapist....
...
Given:
ReplyDeleteA. That you're presumably a man.
B. You questioned the appropriateness of having a back and forth with a woman commentator.
C. It's impossible can't read a back and forth with a woman, without also reading the woman's comments.
Please fill in conclusion:
D. You have an issue with...........................
Would you be interested in expanding the above into a guest post?
ReplyDeleteI think so..., it may also help me deal with my own conflicting emotions.... But I will need some guidance in terms exactly what you are looking for in a post, I don't want to veer too off course.
ReplyDeleteTake it easy. ..
ReplyDeleteB'Ezras HaShem, The Torah will overcome, I am just perturbed about Rav Sternbuch's letter (and also maybe the Eidah HaChareidis) complaining why no one is protesting, why there's an utter lack of outrage....
ReplyDeleteThe moderator's brother, Rav Dovid Eidensohn, is looking for people to distribute his flyers regarding this issue, he doesn't relent...
ReplyDeleteFor mefaresh:
ReplyDeleteI hear your point, but disagree...
I guarantee that my feelings represent many people in filly right now....
Both men and women....
Besides The hypothetical woman who is supposed to be the ikeres habayis in filly and still wants to retain her emunas chachamim needs more guidence than the man who can pull out a sefer to help him with his confusions. Besides by nature a man can detach his emotions better.
This saga is affecting many peoples emunas chachamim, it affects the Jewish home, it affects all of frumkeit....
The geula will come through the women, please don't be too frum to help a woman with fundamental principles of our faith....
Oy vey...
ReplyDeleteWhat we all are experiencing - the severe conflicted feelings, sense of betrayal the question of how such a serious violation of halacha can be supported by those who are supposed to be the foundation of Torah. Basically what you have been writing but extended to fill a page.
ReplyDeleteI think it is important for the supporters of the heter or at least those who support trying to conceal the problem - that in fact the earthquake has already happened. Most of what has been written has been an intellectual halachic analysis. The human face of this disaster has not been clearly expressed and you clearly have the ability to do so.
Thank you... I will do my best to try to coherently put that all on paper....
ReplyDeleteI will try to do it, bli neder over the next 24-36 hours.... It will take some time. I also have other responsibilities, but I believe this is crucial as well.
Thank you for the opertunity.
@Philly Woman, how well known or up to date are the yeshivishe hamon am, "man on the street", about this entire Tamar Epstein saga, and how talked about is it among regular folks?
ReplyDeleteHow influential is the Eidah HaChareidus and/or Rav Shternbuch among the American yeshivaleit or general American frum public?
ReplyDeleteI didn't in any way voice a definite opinion regarding anything. Just that perhaps it is an issue to keep in mind.
ReplyDeleteI am not entirely sure, as I tend to stick more to myself.... But I did hear about this blog from a strong Epstein supporter who described it as something a long the lines of having a personal vededa against rav shmeul and out to get Epstein..... Obviously people talk but from what I see everyone publicly gives Epstein their support.
ReplyDeleteThere is a sense of defense yet pity.... Others refuse to talk about it saying its not for us, its for the gedolim yada yada....
Understandably if someone would open their mouths and express doubt they will get blasted....
The Epstein supporters are very vocal
Please tell the Epstein supporters that I am interested in having a guest post explaining how I have convinced major rabbonim and poskim around the world to join my "personal vendentta" against Rav Shmuel Kamenetsky and Tamar
ReplyDeleteYou can't reason with people who think purely with emotions and no logic....
ReplyDeleteThis has been my biggest challenge I'm life...
What issues should we remember to keep in mind? The ones you deleted? If you raise a question as to a possible issue, why don't you stand behind it and defend it?
ReplyDeleteI am not sure, but what I am sure is that Rav Sternbuch is known as a gadol and the Eidah is a recognized Bais Din, especially by Satmar Chasidim...if you have any doubts, you are welcome to disprove me...Rav Sternbuch obviously expected B'nai Torah to protest. ...
ReplyDeleteI'm not interested in causing a distraction
ReplyDeleteI don't need to defend my opinion.
ReplyDeleteI'm not interested in people thinking I'm right. I fulfilled my duty to bring attention to something that perhaps be an issue. No further argument is needed. And to leave the comments around only serve as a distraction from the substantive issues being discussed. Thus I deleted them. And after a period of time I will delete this one as well.
I especially do not need to defend misrepresentations of my point. Ie. That men can't respond to woman's comments or that I am being overly cautious in Tznius to the detriment of the substance. Or that i am arguing for women to be banned from commenting. Or that a Rav may not give a class or eitzah to a women.
I never once even intimated that these are my opinions or even implicated such.
Defending an opinion can only start once people understand my opinion. But I don't need to disprove things I never said.
I simply pointed out that it might be worthwhile for a person to be aware of the possible red line that may crossed (noticing all the qualifiers? Or that I said a red line might be crossed? Not that is was crossed)
I see in people's vigorous defense that people are aware. Thus my duty has been fulfilled.
Yes! I say all the time on this blog that this is no longer about reason.
ReplyDeleteSadly, that also means that time favors the Epsteins because people in the US really don't want to confront RSK, RHS and their support of ORA. much easier to be quiet. nothing to see here.
Yes. It seems that people are either very supportive of Epstein or choose to stay out of it completely... As someone I know said,
ReplyDelete"I believe that RSK and TE WANT to do the right thing, and I can live with that.... Who is right and wrong is up to Hashem"
Personally, I can't live with that, but I can be melamed zechus on the Epsteins that way....
But beause I hold so highly of the K family, and have somewhat set them on a pedistool, I expect a rav who takes responsibility, has credibility and makes his public wrongs right....
I have so much respect for rav Shalom that to see him not step up to the plate is painful.