Sunday, January 10, 2010

Chilul Hashem - requirement to publicize


[Soncino translation]

Avos (4:4) R. JOHANAN B. BEROKAH24 SAID: WHOEVER PROFANES THE NAME OF HEAVEN25 IN SECRET,26 THEY27 EXACT THE PENALTY FROM HIM IN THE OPEN.28 [IN THIS RESPECT, IT IS ALL] ONE [WHETHER ONE HAS ACTED] IN ERROR, AND [IT IS ALL] ONE29 [WHETHER ONE HAS ACTED] WITH PRESUMPTION, IN [A CASE WHERE THE RESULT IS] THE PROFANATION OF THE NAME.30

Notes:
(26) How can any secret misdeed be a profanation of the Name, which necessarily implies a knowledge of the sin by at least one other than the guilty person? Tosaf. Yom Tob says: When the sin can be committed only together with another person, e.g. prohibited sexual intercourse. L.: There are two kinds of ‘profaners of the Name’: (a) one who commits a sin, making it clear to others that he contemptuously disregards the divine commandments; (b) one who transgresses secretly. not because he is concerned for the Glory of the Name of God, but for his own reputation among his fellow men, by whom he wishes to be regarded as a pious man. The latter is profaning the Name in secret, and it is this duplicity that is to be exposed by punishment in public. V.: A sin committed in secret which, should it become known, would cause a profanation of the Name.
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Yoma(86b): One should expose the hypocrites to prevent chillul HaShem as it says in Yechezkeil (3:20):When a righteous man turns from his righteousness and he commits sin, I will lay a stumbling block before him.


Rashi(Yoma 86b): Publicize the hypocrites – These people are wicked but they represent themselves as righteous. Therefore if someone is aware of their deeds – it is a mitzva to publicize them because of chillul HaShem. That is because people learn from their deeds since they think they are tzadikim. Furthermore when they are punished from Heaven, people says “what benefit is merit to protect against suffering.”


Chofetz Chaim(Lashon Harah 4:7): All these laws which I have written apply specifically to those whose conduct and manner is to have regret for his sins. However if you investigate his path and discover that he has no fear of G‑d and he is continually doing things which are not good such as throwing off the yoke of heaven or that he doesn’t avoid doing even a single transgression which everybody clearly knows is prohibited – whether it is the sin that you want to reveal and has done it a number of times on purpose or he has done some other transgressions a number of times which is clear to all that it is prohibited – this clearly shows that he is not transgressing because his lust overcame him but rather that it doesn’t bother him that he is transgressing and he has no fear of G‑d. Therefore it is permitted to degrade him and to describe his shame either before him or not before him. Therefore if he does some deed or says something and there is a question of whether to judge it favorably or unfavorably – it is necessary to judge him unfavorably since he has established himself as completely wicked (rasha) in other matters. Similarly our Sages say that the mitzva of “Do not distress others” only applies to those who are equal to you in keeping Torah and mitzvos. Therefore someone who has no concern for the word of G‑d, it is permitted to shame him and to inform others of his abominations and to heap scorn on him until he repents. This is what the Rambam (Hilchos De’os 6:8) said. Nevertheless you should be careful not to forget the conditions that apply in this case (Be’er Mayim Chaim Lashon Harah 4:32).

16 comments :

  1. In the Maariv interview, the gioret said that actual physical reltions did not take place, and that she was just making up things on the phone.

    That doesn't make it any less of a crime - the crime, in my humble view , is that the "Giur L'Humra" certificates,which had R Elyashiv's imprimatur , were the curreny used in this perverse znut of Tropper's.
    How can two things be more diametrically opposed? The alleged most highest standards in halacha, and the most depraved act and "trade" of halacha for arayos?

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  2. What about the taped snippet with Leeba Tropper stating that they were filmed (i.e 'Japanese surveillance')?

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  3. Troppenstein's monsterJanuary 10, 2010 at 3:03 AM

    Some poskim are very specific about what constitutes the issur of women being together to exclude most acts. Orand could very easily then deny she did anything wrong with Mrs. Tropper.

    There is also allegedly a video of menuvol Leib with the two women but if he was only an observer she is correct in this regard as well.

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  4. Perhaps the Rov should consider placing on his blog the probable and most obvious reason for the silence from our mainstream gedolim on this issue. The reason can be clearly seen here:

    http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/133755

    In this extemely informative article one can see that Tropper distributed sums of $36,000 to a large list of gedolim on behalf of a Jewish philanthropist and in doing so "bought" the support of the Torah World!

    Oh and BTW Rav Shternbuch and Rav Donner were NOT on this list!

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  5. Eternal Jewish Cover UpJanuary 10, 2010 at 9:07 AM

    Hebrew:
    http://img215.imageshack.us/img215/7249/eisensteinhebrew.jpg

    English:
    http://img268.imageshack.us/img268/1350/eisensteinenglish.jpg

    Nochum Eisenstein was still defending Mordechai Tendler after several batei din came out with teshuvos against him and the RCA report found evidence.

    Now he is sticking it out with the loser Tropper.

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  6. http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1141335.html

    Propaganda from Freund's Shavei Yisrael gerus scam.

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  7. http://theyeshivaworld.com/news/General+News/44273/Rabbis+Met+in+Bnei+Brak+%E2%80%93+Reject+New+Justice+Ministry+Restrictions.html

    Can you believe Eisenstein? This is the first time EJF is publicly saying anyone not from their approved list of 19 batei din is not a proper ger. And he has the chutzpah to say it after Tropper was disgraced.

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  8. B'H i am not a mumcha on those disgusting tapes, i listend to about 3 minutes worth, and then decided use my time and mental energy on something more useful.
    btw, the way tropper speaks is very unusual. he is obviously not a normal person - psychologically speaking.

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  9. Insider, that is very interesting. Suddenly the entire Haredi world is "bribed", and it is automaitcally posul in halacha. Torah says clearly that any bribe or gift disqualifies a Dayan from making judgements.

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  10. Hmmm, Beshert.
    I was thinking of contacting you concerning a delicate situation I have.
    Then Icame on this post, which i beleive specifcaly related to a large extent , with what I am dealing with.

    thank you!

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  11. Would this apply to a situation where a married couple are leaders in their frum relegious community and she is a aishet ish?

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  12. people need to take rabbinic advise on how to apply these mekoros posted by the good rabbi.

    its nuts to assume that you can use these heteirim without checking with a couple good sources that your case matches the mekoros exactly.

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  13. only the rashi is shayach here. and correct, as well, in my hedyotic take on things.

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  14. Can anyonr rely on Eisenstein or the sham Vaad for halacha anymore?

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  15. this is a quote form the Maariv article on troppo:
    רק לפני כמה חודשים נכתב עליו בביטאון הליטאי היוקרתי "יתד נאמן": "הרב הגאון... אדם מאוד ישר וישיר. דוגרי כזה. תלמיד חכם שמבהיר דברים בסגנון שאין עליו מענה... הבעות פניו מתחלפות כמו גלים לפי חומרת הסוגיה. הוא מדבר רגיש, אבל לא רגשני. פשוט, אבל לא פשטני".

    It is quoting from a Yated several months ago, heaping honours on Tropper, "Harav hagaon etc etc, bla bla bla"
    It is all lies. Yated is a satanic publication, and EJF and sattelite movements are sabbatean and not Orthodox ,

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  16. Well if the aformentioned couple are well connected in their Orthodox community how fast would most Orthodox Rabbis come forward?

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