Sunday, November 10, 2013

Weiss-Dodelson: Rabbi Weiss defends family against daughter-in-law's NY Post article

Staten Island Advance    The patriarch of a prominent Staten Island Jewish family has had enough of their dirty laundry being aired in the media.

Rabbi Yosaif Asher Weiss of Prince's Bay defended his family against accusations by his estranged daughter-in-law, Gital Dodelson, who has taken her four-year battle for a religious divorce into the court of public opinion by posting on Facebook and other social media.

"Our family is horrified by the vitriol, lies and hate that permeate Gital's article," said  Rabbi Weiss, referring to an expose in the New York Post. "It is full of misinformation and outright fabrications, as well as untruths..." he alleges.

Rabbi Weiss is the father of Avrohom Meir Weiss, formerly of Staten Island, who now lives in New Jersey, as does his estranged wife.

"This is a very, very heart wrenching and ongoing dispute," a clearly upset Rabbi Weiss said in an exclusive interview with the Advance. "We've been trying desperately to resolve this for a long time. This has destroyed my family health wise and destroyed my family financially." [...]

62 comments :

  1. OK, so you say its full of lies. YAY!!!!

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  2. You need to grow up lil pipsqueek. ein odom nitfas al tzaaro, veata omer shira, tfu tfu alecha. Let her go to arbitration and find out whether his demands are justified, and if so, live up to it. Shalem yeshalem hamavir es havero. PR is not psak halacha, much less when lo soyni ish es amiso applied, more so when in conjunction with chilul haShem. People need to get together and not get close ever to those Utilizing ORA or any public POST to intimidate the other party. Jewish blood is not hefker, if you have an issue resolve it the Torah way, and we will boycott you forever. Torah Power will teach you a few lessons.

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    1. Lol- so they went to Arbitration. & he got nothing. Who was justified now "pipsqueak"?

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  3. Rabbi Weiss has nothing of substance to say.

    Weiss was given a very fair custody arrangement - every other weekend plus 2 nights every week. Excluding the weekend their are only 5 nights a week. Out of those 5 nights Weiss will receive 2 nights. That is almost 50%.

    I will let everyone in on a little secret - what Weiss really is trying to do is to have some misguided Rabbi award him with 100% custody or almost 100% custody. These are the sad facts. Otherwise there really isn't any more custody possible than he has already been awarded.

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    1. 1) Dodleson, once she has the GET in-hand, can go back to court and take away Weiss' visitation rights.

      2) Al pi halacha, Weiss should have primary custody.

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  4. Another thing Rabbi Weiss forgot to mention, was Weiss's demand for $350,000. This is a textbook example of extortion and blackmail. The couple doesn't have much assets. No house, no significant savings other than the wedding money. Weiss is demanding the girl's father and mother write a check for $350,000. When Weiss was in court, Weiss didn't even mention this demand - as even bad people don't commit blackmail and extortion in front of the judge.

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    1. This is an outrageous lie. (One of many made by Dodleson, actually.) Weiss made no such demands.

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    2. Yes, it is outrageous!

      But it is the outrageous truth that Weiss is insisting on $350,000 and on Custody of the child.

      As a side note, notice that Rabbi Feinstein (the uncle) did not deny it in his long letter, and Rabbi Weiss in the Staten Island Advance also did not deny it. Weiss himself has never denied it, and in fact has insisted on it on many occasions.

      This is the whole reason the Get has not been given!

      Weiss is insisting on $350,000 and is insisting on taking the child away from the mother and him having custody of the child.

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    3. AZ please tell me where it is stated he wants to take full custody? What is the source that this is the whole reason the get has not been given? In other words you are insisting that Rabbi Greenwald decided this in the binding arbitration and that Gital refused to accept Rabbi Greenwald's proposal? How do you know this?

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    4. AZ, that is a lie. Rabbi Weiss DID deny it in the SI Advance. He said she said many lies. There was never any demand for a payment.

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    5. Sally,

      Please read the article again. Rabbi Weiss did not deny that the Weiss's are demanding $350,000. All he said was a general statement that Gital's story is full of "lies"

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    6. That's right, AZ. He didn't dignify each lie by going through lie-by-lie she made. He simply said it was a bunch of lies without needing to identify all 15 lies one-by-one. The biggest lie of all she made was the false claim of a payment demand. The only proof of it is her lying word.

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  5. Maybe Rabbi Weiss would also like to clarify what is different about this divorce, than the other hundreds of cases every year where the frum Husband gives a Get? Is there something special about this case? Weiss received a fair custody arrangement (2 nights plus every other weekend) and the young couple had almost no money and no house for which there could be an argument over.

    This case is actually much simpler than most cases. Doesn’t Weiss’s refusal to give a Get indicate a personality disorder, and clear evidence of his controlling behavior? The sad truth is that no matter who Weiss would have married he would have refused to give a Get.

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    1. You are assuming she is halachicly entitled to a Get.

      She is not.

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    2. As I said in a previous thread, this is not about "entitled". This is about a marriage that is 100% over and a husband who does not want to give his ex-wife a get. Let's be real - there is no marriage to save here. it's been over for about 3 years now. is that not long enough? Thus, he is keeping her an agunah. This is a classic case, and it seems that our battei dinim cannot handle what is really quite simple.

      In addition: He himself went to civil court originally, and now wants to "arbitrate" the right to end that marriage in a halachik court. It sounds like someone who did not get what he wants in civil court, and therefore is going back to a beis din where he feels he can get what he wants. Let the beis din make her "pay" for receiving the get

      You are correct in that halacha, alas, does not allow her to force that get to be given. But the chillul hashem in the eyes of every frum person I asked about this is from him. If it were your daughter I am pretty sure you;d be singing a very different tune.
      Feel free to simply call me "dense" like you did last time, and then go off on a tangent and compare this incident to some mythical wife who wants to have an affair. Though a reasoned response to the points I am making would be better.

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    3. Civil court has no standing in Judaism and Halacha. Only the laws enumerated in Shulchan Aruch and rendered by Beis Din count or have any relevance.

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    4. He ONLY went to civil court so he could see his child whom she refused to allow to see him. It was an emergency situation and he received a heter arkoyos in advance for.

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    5. jeffk are you acknowledging that he is correct and within his rights from the point of Torah and halacha? You are basically arguing from non-halachic principles? If you are then your argument is that the Torah and halachic position is not right and not fair? Sorry we really are no part of the same religion and there isn't any common ground for further discussion.

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    6. I am agreeing that he is using (or, to phrase it more correctly, abusing) the power and control that halacha vests in him. That does not detract from the fact that his behavior is in the realm of naval birshus hatorah. And you still have not replied to my basic point that the marriage is over. Now, if it was clear that the get was not being arbitrated, but only the other details (like child support, splitting of assets, etc.) then that puts a slightly different spin on it. But so far no one has asserted that.

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    7. jeffk you are agreeing that you are ignoring the halacha and are insisting on metahalachic principles. Your views are not in according with the metaprinciples that have been used for centuries. The fact that the marriage is over - doesn't require him to simply give a get. Only if he were doing it out of spite does your view have any relevancy and that is simply not the case. So again you do not accept the basis halachic rights he has and are insisting your sense of decency carries more weight. So what!

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    8. Daas Torah wrote: "you are ignoring the halacha and are insisting on metahalachic principles"

      What Jeff writes is in sync with the Ramban's explanation of a "Naval BriShus HaTorah".

      A person could know the Torah sources, and follow the Torah sources, and still be considered to be a morally despicable person if he doesn't follow the Mussar HaTivi - the natural sense of right and wrong which Hashem created every person with.

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    9. AZ the issue of whether there is such a concept of natural law is an old discussion. There are times when natural or learned values are accepted as Torah obligations. But there are other times when the natural sense of right and wrong are irrelevant. For example concerning artificial insemination, Satmar argued against Rav Moshe Feinstein that even the Catholic church was against it. Rav Moshe replied in the Igros that he really had no interest in what people though was good or bad. He was only concerned what the Torah said was good or bad.

      Since the Talmud, and poskim have no problem with not giving a get - it is rather problematic to proclaim doing so is evil.

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  6. http://yudelstake.blogspot.com/2013/11/reb-dovid-feinstein-shlita-speaks.html?m=1

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  7. @foncused.. well lie # she says at the end of the NY post article that he is the plantiff in all civil matters and if you look at page 15 of his papers you will see CLEARLY that SHE is the plaintiff.. so I gather that she is not telling the truth about many things!!!! She is doing a disgusting smear campaign against him and I hope he sues her for defamation of character at the end of all this.

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  8. Shaya P. Lakewood N.J.November 10, 2013 at 12:50 PM

    As Someone who has Experience Dealing With The Family courts in Lakewood,s Ocean County, I Can Tell You The Family Court is Mostly Run By Bitter Divorced Feminist Woman Who Blame Men for all their Personal Problems and The Problems in The World in General. If You are a Male Especially and Orthodox Jewish Male Like Avrohom Meir Weiss You Don't Stand a Chance in The Ocean County Family Court system They will Rip Him To Shreds, The Dodelsons Have a Lot of Money Their Cousins are The Poweful Kotlers Who elect all the Politicians into Ocean County Office, Including The Newly Elected Sheriff Micheal Mastronardy, Who has Jurisdiction over The Family Courts In Ocean County. They will Drain Weiss out of all his Money with Legal Fees, Alimony , and Child Support, After He Gives a Get They will Make up Some Bogus Allegation (Abuse, Neglect,Dangerous Etc.) and Take away Custody and Visitation Rights From Him (Regardless of any Prior Court or Arbitration Agreements).Than They will try To Take out a Restraining order on Him which is Very easy for any Woman To Get especially if You are an Orthodox Jewish Woman whom the Family Courts see as Oppressed, Especially if Your Cousins are The Kotlers who Can Bring in the Vote. Avrohom Meir Weiss will Be Lucky if He doesn't End Up In Jail.

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    1. The NJ Court's decision was very fair and balanced. Weiss received custody 2 nights a week plus every other weekend. The couple has no money to divide up (except some wedding presents).

      What exactly would you have wanted the NJ court to do different?

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    2. Did you mean to write that the NJ Court is feminist because they didn't tell Gital's father to write a check for $350,000?

      In what way has Weiss been disadvantaged?

      The NJ court was completely fair to Weiss, and if it wasn't I would have been the first one to criticize its decision.

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  9. There is one point that needs emphasizing.

    Weiss would have refused to give a Get no matter which woman he would have married. This has nothing to do with Gital.

    This can be proven based on his demands for $350,000, excessive custody, and exclusive authority to make educational decisions for the child. These demands he would use against all woman.

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    1. That is untrue. He never demanded such payment.

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    2. Unfortunately, there is reliable evidence that this is true.

      Baruch Hashem even many of their supporters would be revolted by this demand. This is why the Weiss family cannot openly discuss their demands.

      Many of their supporters would abandon them if they read their demands.

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    3. AZ: Provide any so-called "reliable evidence" there is. There is none. You know it and I know it. And we both know you are empty handed as far as evidence since there is none.

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  10. FEMINIST HYPE: "Give her Get NOW, all negotiations can be done afterwards on equal ground" - This deceptive hype has been used umpteen times to scam umpteen naive Jewish men in divorce conflicts.

    After these men gave a GET, they naively expected their ex-wives to play fair. That's not what happened as these ex-wives engaged in a ruthless campaign to destroy their ex-husbands financially and destroy the father's relationship with their children, using the viciously anti-male family court system. All that's required is one bogus restraining order to prevent a Jewish father from ever communicating with his beloved children, with incarceration (without jury trial or due process) following the slightest alleged violation of the restraining order. And while this is happening the former screaming "Give a GET now" activists are suddenly nowhere to be seen, and Hershel Schachter's ORA thugs are cheering on the sidelines.

    A MESSAGE TO RABBI A. WEISS: Don't buy into the scam of giving a GET until and unless you and your relationship with your child are fully protected by a court confirmed settlement that cannot be appealed, a settlement that does not allow future retribution orchestrated against you by ORA and Dodelson. Don't think for a second that you won't be in ORA's crosshairs after you give a GET. A Jewish GET means "sefer krisus", ie all issues are settled properly before the GET, and a Jewish father must be fully protected from future retribution before giving any GET.

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    1. The problem here, as I am sure you are aware, is that for issues of child custody (and support), there never is a final settlement until the child reaches majority (18) (and even then NJ requires support till 21). A court could decide today that visitation and child support should be such and such, and then a year later one side can petition the court to change it in the interests of the child. For example, it is discovered that one parent is abusing the child, or estranging the child from the other parent, or got richer or poorer, etc.

      So there really is no final settlement, at least when children are involved. (If there were no children, that would be something else.)

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  11. everything can be appealed and changed-- the only thing that can protect the father is money in escrow - and considering how much the girls family is worth - it must be a lot of money - or let one of her cousins put up the deed of one of their yeshiva buildings as escrow

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  12. @AZ - "The NJ court was completely fair to Weiss" - This ORA troll AZ (Avodah Zara?) must think that the non-ORA readers here are stupid. Of course the restraining orders (with criminal penalties for any alleged violation by Weiss like phoning his child) and denial of parenting time haven't been imposed yet because Dodelson hasn't received a GET yet.

    As Shaya (above) correctly explains - If R. Weiss foolishly surrenders to the ORA thugs and gives a GET before receiving a rock solid court settlement (if its possible), then that may be the last he ever sees of his beloved child.

    "Weiss received a fair custody arrangement" - If AZ believes that Weiss' NJ court orders are a fair settlement of the case, that's fine. Since the NJ judge did not and cannot (constitutionally) order a GET, then everything should be settled according to AZ and ORA, and no GET whatsoever should ever be required. Tell Hershel Schachter to call off his ORA dogs because the case is settled!

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  13. Please see the statement put out by the Dodelsons in response. The Weiss family says that Avrohom Meir is willing (wants to!) give Gital a get. If only she will just accept terms of negotiation! Those terms being, of course, a new custody arrangement and $350,000.

    http://www.setgitalfree.com/refuting-the-weiss-statements.html

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    1. Free Gital - the only thing relevant is whether Rabbi Greenwald decided that it is the basis for giving the get. If he didn't say that it is totally irrelevant.

      If he did decide this then he obviously feels it is fair to both parties. If he didn't say it - why are you bring it up?

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  14. If al pi halocho he is entitled to his legal fees, this is absolutely not extortion. Since we have seen what type of thugs the biryonim the Dodelsons are are what guarantees do we have she will hand the boy over at age 6 to the father.

    Rather sickening how the feminists shou textortion with regards to the get but never with regards to woman preventing father access to children

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  15. In halocho a secular divorce is is irrelevant. She myst pay his legal fees. Or work and when they are paid off receive a get

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  16. Daas Torah wrote: “AZ please tell me where it is stated he wants to take full custody?”

    As I wrote the NJ court already awarded him close to 50% custody. Do you think that Weiss was arguing over an extra hour of custody?

    Doesn't the Dodelson claim that he is trying to take away custody from Gital fit with the known facts? What else is he arguing about? He already maxed out on custody!

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  17. Daas Torah wrote: “If he did decide this then he obviously feels it is fair to both parties.”

    I don’t know how to argue with someone who says that a demand for $350,000 is not extortion, blackmail and morally repulsive.

    When you heard about the guy who held the girl in the basement – did you first have to read the Torah sources to determine if it was evil? Or did you know with your natural inborn sense of right and wrong?

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    1. There is no such demand for money. All sheker.

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  18. She walked out of the marriage. Therefore he is entitled to primary custody. Halacha says he is entitled to primary custody. He only opened the initial court case because she ran away from their home and grabbed the child with her refusing him any custody. So he had to file an emergency petition in NJ to obtain the right to see his child. He got a heter arkoyos beforehand.

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  19. Daas Torah,

    What is bothering Weiss? In what way has he been wronged?

    If he was wronged or disadvantaged in any way, I would be the first one to argue for him.

    Weiss received almost 50% custody from the court, and the couple has almost no money and no house to argue about. Why in the world is Weiss making a ruckus?

    I am literally begging you to answer this simple question.

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    1. Daas Torah,
      Is there any chance you can spend a few minutes and give a thorough reply?

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    2. AZ there are some more developments in the pipeline - and no I don't have a few mintues at the present time.

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  20. Az please explain why he should receive almost 50 percent of anything.she ran away like a big baby let her her receive almost 50 percent.

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  21. Daas Torah,

    If you thought that honey tastes bitter I would tell you that if the whole world says it is sweet you should realize that your taste buds need to be cured. The world opinion is not what causes it to be sweet – it is just a way of you realizing that it is time to see the doctor.

    If the whole world’s mussar hativi (natural inborn sense of right and wrong) says that Weiss is a naval b’rishus haTorah and should give a Get, and your mussar hativi says he doesn’t have to – then it is time to see a healer of souls.

    Don’t say you have Torah sources that your mussar hativi is right - mussar hativi is not learnt out of Torah – adderabba! - it is what Hashem implanted in us to make sure that we interpret the Torah correctly.

    That is why derech eretz kadma L’Torah – you cannot understand the Torah correctly if you don’t first have a health mussar hativi.

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    1. If the whole world told me that gay marriages were desirable - that makes it an acceptable position? If the whole world tells me to accept Christianity or Islam etc that makes an right because of mussar hativi? You are basically saying if I don't see things your way that means I don't have a healthy mussar hativi - nonsense. We don't follow what is deemed normal because the whole world does it - but because the Torah says it or Talmidei chachomim say it is correct. You keep up this nonsense and refuse to discuss the halacha. Please show me teshuvos which show that Rav Moshe, Rav Eliashiv etc agree with you - then we have what to talk about.

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    2. AZ,

      When I was a child a sided with the mother's side in every divorce case and this was just a mistake. People's feeling don't necessarily mean much.

      In this case, it becomes clearer to me that the husband is the victim. Here is a guy who got married tried to live his life the way which he believes and the way of his fathers. Apparently his wife did not share his views. It was then her duty to 'change' and she seems absolutely unwilling to hear of this.

      From this point onward things were completely out of control not only his wife left the house but he also lost his newborn child without justification. In order to assure that he gets his child back and considering what the other side is up to it is indeed very tricky.

      I have seen nothing provocative in his actions which make me think that he is a decent boy. The other side are immensely provocative by using unaccepted tactics (NY Post aricle) whilst at the same time getting support from main stream leaders i.e. Lakewood Roshei Yeshiva. At this point they Dodelson make all of us victims..





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    3. Daas Torah,

      Actually even many of those in favor of Gay marriage agree that by nature people are disgusted with homosexual activity. They just say that you should “overcome the bias” against homosexual activity.

      That so called bias is the natural disgust generated by the mussar hativi. The Gay marriage advocates are trying to stamp out the mussar hativi – they are not following their mussar hativi.

      The bad western values that should not be followed is when they stamp out and stifle the mussar hativi – not when they follow it.

      As for people following other religions – that has nothing nothing to do with mussar hativi – that has nothing to do with ethics and morality.

      If you don’t follow the mussar hativi of the people in the world – then you are not following the mussar hativi which Hashem implanted in all of our souls.

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    4. אשר פיהם דבר שואNovember 11, 2013 at 1:21 PM

      I believe you have the wrong idea of what מוסר הטבעי means. The פסוק in mishlei לך אל נמלה עצל ראה דרכיה וחכם. We can look at the world and see how to behave from the animals. How ? See the benefits some animals reap from their character traits תכין בקיץ לחמה אגרה בקציר מאכלה. On the other hand an עצל. We see על שדה איש עצל עברתי והנה עלה כולו קמשונים. So look at the world see the benefits and detriments of certain behavior of humans, even animals, and you can deduce which character traits are good and which are not. See ארחות צדיקים who discusses character traits at length.

      To pasken a specific psak Halacha based on מוסר הטבעי, when we have halachos Psukos in שולחן ערוך, is nonsense. I am not saying AMW is correct or what the Halacha is, as I am not a Posek, however, for you to come along with מוסר הטבעי is just a bunch of nonsense.

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  22. Did anyone ask for the opinion of the Lakewood Roshei Yeshiva regarding this tactic. Considering that they openly supported her cause I would think that they have to voice their opinion.

    If they do not support this shameful tactic do they withdraw their letter?

    Is the silence in this front an indication that no one expects much from them whilst still considering them leaders?

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  23. why have you not posted the newest letter signed by Rabbi Greenwald?!

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  24. The Kotlers (Rav Malkiel as Head of BMG, And his Younger Brother Aaron who is CEO of BMG and Heads The Powerful Lakewood Vaad Which Endorses Candidates For Election in Lakewood, Ocean County, and NJ) Recently Endorsed and Elected Toms River Police Chief Miceal "Mike" Mastronardy, as Ocean County Sheriff.

    The Sheriff has Jurisdiction over The Family and Criminal Courts In Ocean County. In a Recent Interview With The Lakewood Shopper Newely Elected Sheriff Mastronardy said He Feels Orthodox Jewish Woman Are "Oppressed". It is Quite Obvious How The Kotlers are Using Their Political Connections and Their Ability To Bring In The Vote To Influence The Dodelson Case

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  25. If You Do Your Research You Will See it is Very Easy For a Women To Get a Restraining Order Against a Man Especially in The State of NJ Which has a Very Low Thresh Hold To Begin With By Simply Alleging "Verbal Harrassment". And Especially if You Have Powerful Rabbis Backing You. Rav Malkiel Kotlers Uncle Rabbi Gavriel Finkel Heads a Beis Din Here in Lakewood Called Vaad Hadayonim. R' Gavriel Finkel Has a Long History of Using His Beis Din To "Pasken" Like His Relitives after Just Listening To One Side of The Story (His Relitive) and Issuing His Relitives "Heter Arkous" To Go To Secular Court To Collect Money and or Have Their Adverseries Arrested

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  26. R' Gavriel Finkels Beis Din Vaad Hadayonim Is Basically Obsolete, He Cannot Find any Dayanim willing To sit with Him. He Has Been Involved In Way To Many Scandals.There are New Botei Dinim In Lakewood Run By Rabbis Grossman , Chanoch Saltz, And Rabbi Yisroel Knopfler

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  27. In the court papers the two seem to change roles. Once Weiss is the plaintiff, then Dodelson is the plaintiff. What happened?

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  28. Asher pihem diber shavNovember 12, 2013 at 7:17 AM

    Not sure, but I heard that Dodelsohn took Weiss to court for divorce, then Weiss took Dodelsohn to court for visitation.

    The corruption here is the Beis Din Mchon lehoraah. They wrote a false Siruv. AMW accepted Zabla. There was no reason for a Siruv. It is a travesty of justice.

    If I was the Weisses I would take the whole beis din who signed the siruv to beis din. If they don't show to beis din, (well, even if they do, why treat them better than they treated AMW) I would ask for a siruv against the dayanim, and would take them to court and sue for defamation of character.

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  29. Recipients and PublicityNovember 14, 2013 at 6:09 PM

    Stop the madness and stop fighting with each other ALL of you !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! The Second Bais HaMikdosh was destroyed because of Sinas Chinam ("causeless hatred), and the third Bais HaMikdosh will only be rebuilt by Ahavas Chinom ("selfless love")! You are ALL making yourselves into a laughingstock in full view of the world !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! To the Weisses and Dodelsons STOP IT and tell your warring kids who are fighting each other to grow up and stop acting like BABIES !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! It's a disgrace.

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