Monday, September 23, 2019

Aguna, Get Meusa, Mamzer and Moredet Explained - Meir Kin

Link to my previous video 1. Three documents from Israeli rabbis condemning the practices of the rabbanut as well as other bais dins around the world: and and 2. Boyfriend Rachmiel Strausberg video: 3. Hachadoshot Haboker interview: 4. Murder-for-hire in divorce cases: and and 5. Mamzer reporting site:


  1. “Aguna, Get Meusa, Mamzer and Moredet Explained” I watched the whole video. He did explain the traditional rabbinic definitions of agunah, get meusa, mamzer and Moredet. May I change the subject? Today’s daf hayomi:
    Me’ilah 3b
    “R. Joseph maintained that when laid upon the altar they need not be brought down only when the retaining power of the sacred precincts was exercised in conformity with the Original provision [of the sacrifices]; but [if the sacrifices were brought inside] the sacred precincts against their original provision the retaining power of the Temple [he might hold] is not [fully] effective! [And the sacrifices must be brought down from the altar] Let this query [of R. Eleazar] remain undecided. Said R. Giddal in the name of Rab: The sprinkling of [the blood of an offering which was rendered] piggul [v. Glos.] [at the slaughtering] [according to pseudo-Rashi the sprinkling, too, was performed with disqualifying intention, while Tosaf. hold that its performance was unqualified. The explanation that follows is according to the first view] neither effects exemption from the Law of Sacrilege מעילה in the case of Most Holy sacrifices [cf. infra 7b], nor inclusion within the scope of the Law of Sacrilege מעילה in the case of sacrifices of a minor degree of holiness [The principle is that the application of the Law of Sacrilege ceases from the moment the blood is sprinkled on the altar in the case of Most Holy sacrifices and in regard to sacrifices of a lesser degree of holiness it becomes operative only between the moment of the sprinkling of the blood and the burning of the portions — and that only as far as the sacrificial portions are concerned.]”
    My theory. R. Giddal in the name of Rab: The law of Sacrilege מעילה still applies in Most Holy sacrifices where the Cohain doing the sacrifice did a piggul violation, but not in the case of minor degree of holiness. For example a Most Holy sacrifice as Job brought for Elephaz in Job:
    “After the Lord had spoken these words to Job, the Lord said to Eliphaz the Temanite, I am incensed at you and your two friends, for you have not spoken the truth about Me as did My servant Job. Now take seven bulls and seven rams and go to My servant Job and sacrifice a burnt offering for yourselves. And let Job, My servant, pray for you; for to him I will show favor and not treat you vilely, since you have not spoken the truth about Me as did My servant Job. Eliphaz the Temanite and Bildad the Shuhite and Zophar the Naamathite went and did as the Lord had told them, and the Lord showed favor to Job. The Lord restored Job’s fortunes when he prayed on behalf of his friends, and the Lord gave Job twice what he had before.” (Job 42:7-10).
    My theory. Here any piggul violation here is a minor violation and would not invalidate the law of Sacrilege מעילה remains. With a major violation the law of Sacrilege מעילה is always violated. The law of Sacrilege מעילה When a person commits a trespass תמעל מעל, being unwittingly בשגגה remiss about any of the Lord’s sacred things, he shall bring as his penalty to the Lord a ram without blemish from the flock, convertible into payment in silver by the sanctuary weight, as a guilt offering. He shall make restitution for that wherein he was remiss about the sacred things, and he shall add a fifth part to it and give it to the priest. The priest shall make expiation on his behalf with the ram of the guilt offering, and he shall be forgiven.” (Leviticus 5:15-16 )
    Wow “he shall be forgiven” for a sin done בשגגה. The 3 friends of Job sinned unwittingly how they spoke to Job. God gives them a way to obtain for forgiveness---sacrifices. Sacrifices won’t help for sins done intentionally. Pure accident, אונס is not a sin at all. No sacrifices for אונס. R. Giddal in the name of Rab says that the law of Sacrilege מעילה continues despise a piggul violation, but only in Most Holy Sacrifices but not in lesser holy sacrifices. Beautiful. The law of Sacrilege מעילה is most holy. Every word in our Torah is most holy.

  2. "Daat Torah to only go to hareidi batei Din". Says one of the pamphlets. Yes, and guess who signed it? Hareidi Rabbanim. In other words, it is a circular argument. I hardly expect them to say it is Daat Torah to go to Zionist batei din!
    What joke, it is not even Purim yet.

  3. Kalonymus Anonymus “"Daat Torah to only go to hareidi batei Din". Says one of the pamphlets. Yes, and guess who signed it? Hareidi Rabbanim. In other words, it is a circular argument. I hardly expect them to say it is Daat Torah to go to Zionist batei din! is it fair to say that these Talmidei chachamim earn a living from their Hareidi bateid din? And their strict Kashrus certificates? And that they overprice their products by saying anything with lesser certification is treif? In fact regular (non Glatt) Kashrus is according to the Shulchan Aruch. So, they earn a living by misleading the public, and deception.”
    KA, Troll = In Internet slang, a troll is a person who starts quarrels or upsets people on the Internet to distract and sow discord by posting inflammatory and digressive, extraneous, or off-topic messages. The topic is Aguna, Get Meusa, Mamzer and Moredet Explained. My SCOTUS 18-9390 relates as Susan screamed aguna when I claim she was a moredet: Meir brings evidence of evil doers in his video and postings. I say to Meir: “Do not be vexed by evildoers; Do not be incensed by the wicked; For there is no future for the evil man; The lamp of the wicked goes out. Fear the Lord, my son, and the king, And do not mix with dissenters, For disaster comes from them suddenly; The doom both decree who can foreknow? These also are by the sages: It is not right to be partial in judgment. He who says to the guilty, You are innocent, Shall be cursed by peoples, Damned by nations; But it shall go well with them who decide justly; Blessings of good things will light upon them.” (Proverbs 24:19-25).

  4. GA, as usual you do not read the content of the post, and hence you miss the point I am addressing. Also you are bringing your own personal life into this, which shows you are biased.
    Green vs Green letter - based on the 2 letters i said it is easy to forge either of these letters, how do I know which one was the true?

  5. fedupwithcorruptrabbisSeptember 23, 2019 at 2:56 PM

    Kudos to another great video! Meir please point out in your next video that in the Rabbi Lau case both he and Aryeh ralbag from brooklyn are her relatives! A double whammy of rabbinic corruption!

  6. fedupwithcorruptrabbisSeptember 23, 2019 at 2:59 PM

    Meir, continues to "Drain The Rabbinic Swamp" . I wonder who is behing those sefarim attached Gitei Kozov, Dayenei Kozov and Mishpatei yisroel?

  7. A few years ago, an American etrog importer had a dispute with his Israeli pardes supplier. The supplier insisted on his bet din in Israel, the American wanted another bet din Israel. In the end, he was forced to agree to the pardes supplier's bet din . Of course, the psak was in accordance with the pardes, not the American.

    Lo and behold, a few weeks later, he finds out the head of the bet din was the"Rav haMachshir" of the pardes. Who of course, would not back out of the case.

    Like you say, bet din corruption.

  8. “Aguna, Get Meusa, Mamzer and Moredet Explained - Meir Kin”
    Thanks Meir for your excellent explanations of Aguna, Get Meusa, Mamzer and Moredet.
    Torah thought on נצבים:
    “When such a one hears the words of these sanctions דברי האלה הזאת, he may fancy himself immune, thinking, I shall be safe, though I follow my own willful heart כי בשרירות לבי אלך—to the utter ruin of moist and dry alike [i.e., everything].(Deuteronomy 29:18).
    Hearing all the solemn dooms and curses in כי תבוא how can one imagine “he may fancy himself immune, thinking, I shall be safe, though I follow my own willful heart?”
    דברים פרק כט פסוק יח
    וְהָיָה בְּשָׁמְעוֹ אֶת דִּבְרֵי הָאָלָה הַזֹּאת וְהִתְבָּרֵךְ בִּלְבָבוֹ לֵאמֹר שָׁלוֹם יִהְיֶה לִּי כִּי בִּשְׁרִרוּת לִבִּי אֵלֵךְ לְמַעַן סְפוֹת הָרָוָה אֶת הַצְּמֵאָה:
    רש"י דברים פרשת נצבים פרק כט פסוק יח
    בשררות לבי אלך - במראית לבי, כמו (במדבר כד, יז) אשורנו ולא קרוב, כלומר מה שלבי רואה לעשות:

    Hertz Chumash p. 555: “Hoffmann has drawn attention to a parallel of the Tochacha in the far older code of Hammurabi. One thousand years before Moses, that code concludes with the promise of blessings of the god Shamash for obedience to his law...”
    My theory. Terach, Abraham’s father, was the senior military officer of King Hammurabi and chief sorcerer, in the midrash. He got the world to believe in idolatry by enabling prosperity and security to believers and death to non-believers. Others followed Terach so that it was so, where idolatry was faithfully followed there was prosperity and security. This explains “On the contrary, we will do everything that we have vowed [lit. everything that has gone forth from our mouth]—to make offerings to the Queen of Heaven and to pour libations to her, as we used to do we and our fathers, our kings and our officials, in the towns of Judah and the streets of Jerusalem. For then we had plenty to eat, we were well-off, and suffered no misfortune.” (Jeremiah 44:17).

  9. Thank you Gerald. I love Hertz Chumash, best one in my opinion.

  10. Meir K, what is the insinuation you are making about her annulment vs no get and dating a man? Are you alleging niuf? Perhaps you are alright jack, you have a a 2nd wife, and she is left in limbo. Why don't you close this thing and reach a compromise, climb down on half of your demands, on condition she climbs down on half of them too. or do you enjoy being the victim and having the support of the Hareidim and a beautiful new wife? Make sure she doesn't leave you.

  11. What should Meir compromise on? What are Lonna's demands, other than a receiving a Get and not having to reimburse his damages for all the expenses he incurred to to her violation of Halacha?

  12. They both want full custody of their child - need to compromise on that. Also on monetary demands. that would close the whole ugly maaseh. Of course, both sides want to cause max damage to the other side. Sad, crazy people. It will go on for another 20 years.

  13. Very articulate, sound argument


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