Tuesday, August 20, 2019

הלווית אישה נעצרה - בגלל בנה סרבן הגט rabbi errs and tries pressuring son to give get by interfering with mother's funeral

https://www.kikar.co.il/327902.html

נשיא בית הדין, הגאון רבי דוד לאו, הורה לחברא קדישא שלא לקיים הלוויה לאשה שבנה, תושב ארה"ב, מעגן את רעייתו למעלה מעשור, וזה בכדי להביא לשחרור העגונה 

נשיא בית הדין הגדול, הרב רהאשי הגאון רבי דוד לאו, הורה לחברא קדישא בירושלים שלא לקיים הלוויה לאשה שבנה, תושב ארצות הברית, מעגן את רעייתו כ-16 שנים.
ההחלטה של הגר"ד לאו הגיעה בתיאום עם בית הדין בארצות הברית וזה בכדי ללחוץ על בנה לשחרר את רעייתו מהעגינות, שכאמור נמשכת למעלה מעשור וחצי.
"Meir deposited a GET in 2008 at his Bais Din but Lonna has not come to his Bais Din. Meir remarries with a Heter from 100 rabbis..."

Meyer Kinn's mother passed away in Israel, and Lonna is apparently seeking to prevent her from coming to kever Yisrael, until Meyer gives her a Get. 
The problem is, that Meyer apparently got a Hetter 100 Rabbanim to remarry, and had a Get written for her in 2008, which was deposited at a Beis Din in Monesy. 
All Lonna has to do, is go and pick it up. 
We call that a FAKEgunah.
https://www.bhol.co.il/news/1025413

https://www.timesofisrael.com/chief-rabbi-halts-womans-burial-until-son-grants-wife-a-divorce/
Israel’s Ashkenazi Chief Rabbi David Lau on Tuesday ordered the Jerusalem burial of a woman put on hold until her son agreed to grant his estranged wife a religious divorce.
Hours later, the man in question expressed his willingness to grant the get, and the funeral of his mother was set to proceed, reports said.
The woman, whose body was flown to Israel from the US, was due to be buried in the Mount of Olives cemetery Tuesday morning but Lau instructed the burial society to stop the proceedings until her US-based son delivers the divorce papers, known as a get, to a rabbinic court.

57 comments :

  1. Kalonymus AnonymusAugust 20, 2019 at 4:30 PM

    If he really deposited the get in 2008, then there is really no issue -

    no need for any conflict . why has he agreed to write a 2nd get? And why could henot have written it 10 years ago, and why did he need a heter to remarry?

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  2. Kalonymus AnonymusAugust 20, 2019 at 4:38 PM

    Let's say the majority of rabbonim rule that Get m'usa is permitted.. Why should they be wrong? Even if you cite a few gedolim , the majority disagree with them!

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  3. the majority do not permit it sources?

    this has been discussed many times on my blog

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  4. Kalonymus AnonymusAugust 20, 2019 at 6:28 PM

    The rabbanut enjoys a de facto majority status. There is no protest at this decision. Rav elyashiv ztl has left this world and there is no longer a daas Torah/gadol hador.

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  5. One of the signatories of the alleged "ruling" from the USA, is a 34 year old "rabbi", who was implicated in the Edison divorce torture plot, a sting operation conducted by the FBI, which brought about the arrests of a number of rabbis who plotted to abduct and torture a non-existent Jewish man in order to coerce him into issuing a get (divorce document) to his 'wife'.


    He pleaded guilty in New Jersey Federal Court to traveling in interstate commerce to commit an act of violence, but received no prison sentence due to his lack of preparation or prior knowledge of the torture plans, as well as his lack of participation in previous actions of this kind.

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  6. the rabbunit is defacto majority?!
    - so non -Jews are the Majority or at Least nonobservant Jews are the majority so no Get is needed?!

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  7. Kalonymus AnonymusAugust 20, 2019 at 9:08 PM

    How many non Jewish or secular rabbanim in the rabbanut? Names please, so I can avoid them.

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  8. Kalonymus AnonymusAugust 20, 2019 at 9:16 PM

    " to abduct and torture a non-existent Jewish man" - another phantom?

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  9. you said you go by majority - but you don't

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  10. Kalonymus AnonymusAugust 20, 2019 at 9:25 PM

    Rav lau was the chareidi backed candidate. Is there big consternation in bnei brak, or only in meah shearim?

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  11. Kalonymus AnonymusAugust 20, 2019 at 9:38 PM

    If he's already deposited the get, then there is no problem. Can the wife be pressured to accept it?

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  12. correction:Epstein divorce torture plot

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  16. There were many chefs involved in that EVIL brew...

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  17. Kalonymus AnonymusAugust 21, 2019 at 2:08 AM

    a) majority is only valid in a BD or if they sit together. According to the Ritva, if one Rav does not sit with another group who claim to be a majority, then he is not obligated to accept their view.


    b) The Rabbanut in Israel and the American organisation form a a large body of opinion. They've not sat with the opposers.


    c) In any case, my above question was a hypothetical one.

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  18. Kalonymus AnonymusAugust 21, 2019 at 2:17 AM

    " so non -Jews are the Majority or at Least nonobservant Jews are the majority so no Get is needed?!"


    What is the meaning of this this muffled sentence?


    The Rabbanut controls conversion, marriage, divorce , kashrus in Israel. They don't sit with Meah Shearim, or even Bnei Brak Rabbonim.

    Who said no get is needed? You are confusing/conflating other cases with this one.

    Majority is within a framwework of a working BD, not of the general population. The general population do not usually go to Har Nof or Bnei Brak for an opinion, a bris, to get married etc.

    Even if you say that the Hareidi gedolim are the real majority, or authentic halacha - again that is disputed. The Chassidim don't recognize the misnagdim; within the misnagdim, the Jerusalem faction don't recognize the Kanievsky faction; in Ponovezh one half doesn't recognize the other.
    And in the Eidah, they don't recognize any of the one who vote or have parties in the Knesset. So which majority are you referring to?

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  19. And in other breaking news...are these to be future headlines?!

    Firstborn Boy Stripped of Status Because Grandfather is Get Denier
    Redemption Denied

    Bridegroom Arrested Under Chupah Gets Five Year Sentence For Refusing to Sign Pre-nup
    Bride Thanks Police for Saving Her from Fate Worse than Death

    Man Drowns Despite First Responders on Scene
    "My supervisor forbid the rescue," said one lifeguard medic. "Neighbors claim his brother and sister-in-law have been fighting. It's suspected his brother will deny a Get if his wife asks for one, so for prophylactic reasons we had to apply pressure on the family."

    Anonymous Caller in Border Town Demands Get Leading to Mayor Requiring All Men in City Divorce their Wives

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  20. “Meyer Kinn's mother passed away in Israel, and Lonna is apparently seeking to prevent her from coming to kever Yisrael, until Meyer gives her a Get.”
    Torah thought on עקב
    “You shall faithfully observe all the Instruction כל המצוה that I enjoin upon you today, that you may thrive and increase and be able to possess the land that the Lord promised on oath to your fathers.” (Deuteronomy 8:1)
    “His hands are rods of gold, Studded with beryl בתרשיש; His belly a tablet of ivory, Adorned with sapphires.” (Song 5:14).
    שיר השירים פרק ה פסוק יד
    יָדָיו גְּלִילֵי זָהָב מְמֻלָּאִים בַּתַּרְשִׁישׁ מֵעָיו עֶשֶׁת שֵׁן מְעֻלֶּפֶת סַפִּירִים
    Midrash Rabbah - The Song of Songs V:20
    “Hananiah the son of the brother of R. Joshua said: Between every two commandments were written the sections and the minutiae of the Torah. When R. Johanan in the course of studying the Scripture came to this verse, Studded with beryl בתרשיש, he used to say: I have to thank the son of the brother of R. Joshua for teaching me this. Just as in the sea between every two large waves there are small waves, so between every commandment and the next one [on the tablets] the sections and minutiae of the Torah were written. Studded with beryl בתרשיש, this refers to the Talmud which is like the Great Sea [the sea being called tarshish,] as we read, “Jonah, however, started out to flee to Tarshish from the Lord’s service. He went down to Joppa and found a ship going to Tarshish. He paid the fare and went aboard to sail with the others to Tarshish, away from the service of the Lord” (Jonah 1:3); and so we read, “All streams flow into the sea, Yet the sea is never full; To the place [from] which they flow The streams flow back again [According to popular belief, through tunnels; so Targum and Rashi] (Ecclesiastes 1:7). His belly a tablet of ivory: this refers to the law of the priests [The Book of Leviticus]. Just as the belly is situated in the middle between the heart and the legs, so Leviticus is in the middle between two books before and two books after. tablet of ivory: just as out of a block of ivory you can make ever so many nails or javelins, so Leviticus contains numbers of precepts, of minutiae, of rules both more and less stringent, of cases of piggul and of nothar.”
    “A man takes a wife and possesses her. She fails to please him because he finds something obnoxious about her, and he writes her a bill of divorcement, hands it to her, and sends her away from his house” (Deuteronomy 24:1).
    How do we observe faithfully: all the Instruction כל המצוה that I enjoin upon you today? We must study Torah, the Written law and the Oral Law.
    The bet din ruled on Lonna’s request for a get. Lanna supporters want to punch Meir in the face and punch in the face the bet din in Monsey that allowed Meir to remarry without Meir giving his wife a get. My view: matter is moot. This is how the opposition of SCOTUS 18-280 phrases their objection. The matter would not be moot if it resembled what Israel Reader states: “One of the signatories of the alleged "ruling" from the USA, is a 34 year old "rabbi", who was implicated in the Epstein divorce torture plot, a sting operation conducted by the FBI, which brought about the arrests of a number of rabbis who plotted to abduct and torture a non-existent Jewish man in order to coerce him into issuing a get (divorce document) to his 'wife'.”
    My SCOTUS 18-9390 is not moot because it resembles the Mendel Epstein et al phantom husband. Mendel Epstein accepted $100,000 from actors and spoke of torture to the phantom husband. Irwin Haut et al opened a NYS court case and spoke of me abandoning my ex-wife making her a FAKE agunah. I like Joseph Orlow here: “Anonymous Caller in Border Town Demands Get Leading to Mayor Requiring All Men in City Divorce their Wives”

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  21. “rabbi errs and tries pressuring son to give get by interfering with mother's funeral”
    Allow me here my letter today:
    1.I request permission to submit these papers concerning my motion 649 7/15/2019.
    I'm attaching an affidavit of service proving I mailed by UPS a true copy to Susan.
    2.I faced a kangaroo court in NYS court from day 1. They all knew very well I was alive and well and active and speaking and writing. They all chose to give me the brush aside and to portray my opponent as a victim without evidence whatsoever. A kangaroo court is a court that ignores recognized standards of law or justice, an unofficial court held by a group of people in order to try someone regarded, especially without good evidence, as guilty of a crime or misdemeanor.
    3.I quote from my SCOTUS 18-7160 Petition:
    Questions Presented
    The Court of Appeals, New York State's highest court, is composed of a Chief Judge and
    six Associate Judges, each appointed to a 14-year term. New York's highest appellate court was established to articulate statewide principles of law in the context of deciding particular lawsuits. The Court thus generally focuses on broad issues of law as distinguished from
    individual factual disputes. Can the NYS Court of Appeals dismiss my case saying that
    they don't have jurisdiction to entertain it?
    ...The relief I seek is for the Supreme Court of the United States to clarify the law of
    the case and to cancel and nullify Exhibit B: Contested Judgment of Divorce Judge
    Eric I. Prus signed 9/10/2013.
    ...I thank God that I'm in Israel where Judge Eric I. Prus cannot do to me as he did,
    e.g. “In another case, he refused all applications by the father even though he was the
    custodial parent. He then jailed the father for failing to follow an oral order and caused
    his savings to be placed into escrow for many years - ruining him in the process.”
    ...The Appellate Division, 2nd Dept. put in motions on behalf of the court to my detriment. They denied me poor person relief---most unfairly. Susan is a well-known feminist activist involved with the Epstein kidnapping. Judge Freda Wolfson sentenced Mendel Epstein to 10-years jail...
    ... Reasons for Granting the Petition
    The trial and jail sentence of the late Judge Gerald Garson was just the tip of the
    iceberg of fraud etc in NYS civil courts. The Court granting me my petition will help
    root out fraud etc in NYS civil courts.

    4.Mendel Epstein accepted $100,000 from FBI agents and spoke of torture to force a get from a phantom recalcitrant husband: fraud. Susan opened a case in divorce court to force a contested divorce against me with no evidence whatsoever. Susan was a phony agunah. Susan with her lawyer/friends Irwin Haut et al made me a recalcitrant husband---a phony recalcitrant husband: fraud.

    5.I ask the NYS COA to grant my motion 649.

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  22. See http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/267749
    “Rabbi Lau's office reacted to the video: "We are sorry that the same get-refuser who for more than a year refused to release his wife from her chains, continues his refusal despite the agreements reached. The same man who did not spare his mother and his family when he even married a second wife and continued with his life. The Chief Dayan of the Great Beit Din will continue his uncompromising war on the phenomenon of divorce refusal and will do everything in his power, including the most severe sanctions, to end any case of get-refusal that may develop." ”
    Wow. The supporters of Lonna are angry. The supporters of Lonna are against get-refusal.
    Surreal = having the qualities of surrealism; bizarre. "a surreal mix of fact and fantasy" synonyms: unreal, bizarre, unusual, weird, strange, freakish, unearthly, uncanny, dreamlike
    My view: The supporters of Lonna (ORA etc) are on a fool’s errand, setting themselves for disappointment. Yes the supporters of Lonna are frustrated and angry. Better for them would be to move on. I tried many times to reach out to Rabbi Aryea Ralbag: no help.

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  23. Kalonymus AnonymusAugust 22, 2019 at 12:56 PM

    Gerald, how do you determine the truth of this case? None of the comments actually know the facts. Either they are slaves of gestetner and give knee jerk reactions, or are blinded by the light of Ora and swear by its daat Ora.

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  24. Kalonymus Anonymus “Gerald, how do you determine the truth of this case? None of the comments actually know the facts.”
    No.
    See http://daattorah.blogspot.com/2016/12/the-unfortunate-case-of-meir-and-lonna.html#disqus_thread
    “Therefore what we see here is that the very same Rabbis and Ora that shout loud about Agunas, are in fact the very ones that enable them and prevent the resolution as they seek only methods that empower the feminist women with disregard to a man’s halachic rights. Until the masses will wake up and stand against these evil Rabbis and Ora , we will see countless women paraded as “Agunot” where in fact they are not Agunot but have statuses as “Moredet”- rebellious women who have violated the Torah on many fronts.”
    Wow. My case is similar to Meir Kin. Whew, I’m in Bnei Brak with my neshama wife, Yemima and our 3 daughters. We have 1 daughter married. They livie in Lod in an apartment we bought from an Arab.
    Fool’s errand = a task or activity that has no hope of success.
    "he sent gullible freshmen on fool's errands"
    I got that expression from
    https://www.wsj.com/articles/impeachment-bumbles-on-11566428169

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  25. Kalonymus AnonymusAugust 22, 2019 at 3:23 PM

    You've just confirmed that you don't know anything about the case. And you claim its like your case, even though you gave the get very quickly.

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  26. Kalonymus Anonymus “You've just confirmed that you don't know anything about the case. And you claim it’s like your case, even though you gave the get very quickly.”
    No.
    True I don’t know details behind: “Until the masses will wake up and stand against these evil Rabbis and Ora , we will see countless women paraded as “Agunot” where in fact they are not Agunot but have statuses as “Moredet”- rebellious women who have violated the Torah on many fronts.”
    I don’t want to hear Meir’s stories/evidence that Lonna is a rebellious wife. Susan was a rebellious wife. I try not to go into my evidence and stories. Except that: “I faced a kangaroo court in NYS court from day 1. They all knew very well I was alive and well and active and speaking and writing. They all chose to give me the brush aside and to portray my opponent as a victim without evidence whatsoever.”
    Interesting these rebellious women do not seek the get. I can tell you that Rabbi Aryea Ralbag refused to help me in the court battles Susan embroiled me with. Rabbi Ralbag was on Susan’s side, having worked and profited immensely with her and Mendel Epstein et al.
    It’s a fool’s errand to try to appease a rebellious wife’s frustration and anger. My giving the get in Rabbi Ralbag’s bet din did not help.
    “Rabbi Lau's office reacted to the video by issuing a denial, saying the deceased's family members appealed to the Great Beit Din to allow the deceased's burial after the Chief Dayan upheld the decision of a United States Beit Din to prevent burial until a promise to divorce was forthcoming:”
    Who is this “a United States Beit Din”? What business is it of theirs? Oh, bet din shopping: bad. Didn’t Tamar Epstein do some of this in her fights with her husband Aaron? Who called in to punch Aaron in the face? I knew I was in danger of getting punched in the face in 1991. Whew, I made it to the El Al plane, a one-way ticket to Israel, with my head fully attached to my body. One of the Mendel Epstein victims testified in the Mendel Epstein et al trial that a woman was in the apartment while the Mendel Epstein agents were beating him. Who was that woman?

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  27. Kalonymus AnonymusAugust 22, 2019 at 7:38 PM

    I'm not judging, since I don't know the particulars, and in your case, I've only heard snippets from your side - so even if i was a qualified judge (which I ain't) , I would not be able to listen to a one sided case. In any case, even if you are zoche in your case, that doesn't tell us anything about M vs L. In halacha you can't do that anyhow, and to claim that because x was MO, then Y is also guilty , being MO.
    Btw, this is what Hareidim do when they distort justice, whether MO, Zionist or not "frum", they claim that these lesser persons ar always the guilty ones.

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  28. Kalonymus Anonymus "I'm not judging, since I don't know the particulars, and in your case, I've only heard snippets from your side - so even if I was a qualified judge (which I ain't) , I would not be able to listen to a one sided case. In any case, even if you are zoche in your case, that doesn't tell us anything about M vs L. In halacha you can't do that anyhow, and to claim that because x was MO, then Y is also guilty , being MO. Btw, this is what Hareidim do when they distort justice, whether MO, Zionist or not "frum", they claim that these lesser persons are always the guilty ones.”
    No.
    Judges must hear complaints brought before them (Deuteronomy 1:16) שמע בין אחיכם.
    The Torah forbids judges to do, as Judge Prus did to me in 2016 saying all my submissions are frivolous and a waste of courts time. For this SCOTUS 9390 may yet remove Eric I.\ Prus as a judge. First I need SCOTUS to grant my motion to review my case. Then the judges will go into particulars.
    I don’t go into particulars, except for snippets, in my case. We don’t know in Meir v. Lonna particulars except for snippets.
    My view is that Meir v. Lonna the matter is moot. I see on SCOTUS:
    “Docket for 18-280 Title: New York State Rifle & Pistol Association, Inc., et al., Petitioners v. City of New York, New York, et al....This case is moot... There is no longer a case or controversy because the changes in state and municipal law give petitioners all they seek.”
    Moot refers to no longer a case or controversy. I argue that my case with Susan was not a case or controversy from day 1.
    Democrats despise the New York State Rifle & Pistol Association. So what? They entitled to their day in court. I quote
    “If I despised the cause of my manservant or of my maidservant, when they disputed with me;”
    איוב ל"א י"ג
    אִם אֶמְאַס מִשְׁפַּט עַבְדִּי וַאֲמָתִי בְּרִבָם עִמָּדִי
    Midrash Rabbah - Genesis XLVIII:3
    “R. Issi commenced his discourse thus: If I did despise the cause of my manservant, or of my maidservant, when they contended with me-what then shall I do when God riseth up? and when He remembereth, what shall I answer Him (ib. XXXI, 13)? R. Issi's wife quarreled with her maidservant, whereupon he gave her [his wife] the lies in her presence. ‘Why do you give me the lie before my own servant?’ she complained. He replied: ‘Did not Job say, "If did despise the cause of my manservant... what then shall I do when God riseth up? and when He remembereth, what shall I answer Him?" ' Another interpretation: If I did despise the cause of my manservant alludes to Abraham, as it says, And Abraham took Ishmael his son... and circumcised them (Gen. XVII, 23) [He did not despise the rights of his servants, but circumcised them too this being a ' right ' (privilege).]. Said he: Had I not done so, why should God have revealed Himself to me? [Translating: If I did despise, etc. what could I do that God should honor me by standing before me?] Consequently, AND THE LORD APPEARED UNTO HIM, etc.”
    KA, yes, it’s a distortion of justice to claim that the lesser persons are always the guilty ones. My view is that Meri v. Lonna is moot as there is no longer a case or controversy. Tell me, do you see a case or controversy? My case versus Susan is not moot because of my complaints of 1) perjury and 2) violations of ERISA, matters that I give only snippets now.

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  29. like father like son

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  30. Rabbis?a bunch of Masons !
    Masonic is avodah Zarah-Satan worship in the higher level R"L

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  32. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0qGstcJocPs

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  33. Kalonymus AnonymusAugust 23, 2019 at 5:55 PM

    Your spiritual father, de haan, and gay bath mikves in satmar, sdom Aidah. He had many thousands of evil "sons".

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  34. Kalonymus AnonymusAugust 23, 2019 at 5:57 PM

    Reb Dovid Eidensohn shlita said its assur for men to go to mikves, because they have become homo _central. Modern O men don't generally go to mikveh.

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  36. w.oztorah.com/2012/07/masonic-ministers-in-australia/#.XWAObxR7nSE

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  37. Kalonymus AnonymusAugust 23, 2019 at 8:33 PM

    Prove it is assur

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  38. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Q0390lauMo&list=PLjInnwS-t18iuoMsb5dS80i_64UYD_YIz&index=10

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  39. and also this watch see why its ossur

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=th9aVwiu_3E

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  40. The rise of Masons to political power in Israel dates back to 1948 and
    to Israel's founding as a modern-day nation. David Ben-Gurion, its first
    Prime Minister, was both a Mason and an avowed Marxist-Leninist and
    Communist. Since that time, every single Prime Minister has been a
    high-level Mason, including Golda Meier, who was a member of the women's
    organization, the Co-Masons.

    In 1993 in Jerusalem, a celebration
    of political Masons was held. According to the respected Italian
    newspaper La Republica (October 1993), in an article entitled, "Israel:
    There is a Pact Between Politicians and Masons," the ceremony was
    attended by the Mayor of Jerusalem, Teddy Kollek, as well as by the
    Ashkenazi Chief Rabbi, Israel Meier Lau. Kollek told the gathered
    Masons, "You do a great honor to Jerusalem. This is natural, considering
    that King Soloman was the great builder of the temple, which is at the
    roots of the Masonic idea, and that his workmen were the first Masons."

    At
    that same ceremony, sponsored by the "Grand Lodge of the State of
    Israel," Rabbi Lau stated that, "The principles of Freemasonry are all
    contained in the Book of Books of the Jewish people."

    Former
    Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has publicly stated (see the Israeli
    publication Shishi, Spring 1994) that he was initiated into the Masonic
    Lodge while in the United States. The La Republica newspaper stated that
    Prime Minister Yitzak Rabin was active in Masonry and estimated there
    are 4,000 Israeli Freemasons, divided into 76 lodges. Most Israeli
    judges and religious figures are Masons. Rothschild-supported Hebrew
    University in Israel has erected an Egyptian obelisk, symbol of
    Freemasonry, in its courtyard, and inside the new Israeli Supreme Court
    building is a law library architecturally designed in the shape of an
    Egyptian pyramid.

    The Bnai B'rith Lodge of New York is affiliated
    with Israel's lodges and so is the hate-mongering ADL and ACLU, not to
    mention almost every top investment magnate on Wall Street in New York.
    Truly, the Holy Bible is proven true in its prophecy of great
    "merchants" who, in the last days, deceive the world through their
    commercial trade and their sorcery.

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  41. Kalonymus AnonymusAugust 25, 2019 at 9:30 PM

    you are totally nuts , obviously you get your conspiracy theories from your anti-semtiic friends and neo nazis who hate Masons, Jew and Rothschilds.

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  45. Kalonymus AnonymusAugust 26, 2019 at 12:18 AM

    nebach, you are comlpetely nuts, you are part of the cult of brainwashing in your Eidah/satmar scientology world

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  46. Kalonymus AnonymusAugust 26, 2019 at 1:45 PM

    From reb Dovid eidensohn blog:

    the end of Par 8 Rabbi Breitowitz says, “See also Shulchan Aruch, Even HaEzer, Laws of Divorce 134:5 9.” What did he see over there? It says that if the Law is that a husband must divorce his wife and the husband refuses then we may coerce the husband physically. But if the coercion was against the teachings of the Law and the Shulchan Aruch, the GET issued by force is invalid. But Rabbi Breitowitz ignores that distinction. He found somewhere the words that a husband can be coerced and he doesn’t read the rest of the paragraph. What we need to do therefore is to find out exactly what the Din or Law is in the Shulchan Aruch when we may physically force a GET. None of this exists according to Rabbi Breitowitz.

    In paragraph 9 Rabbi Breitowitz quotes Rabbi Waldernberg a prominent Israeli rabbi who says that when a husband has been jailed by the rabbinical courts and he still refuses a GET he may be forced to give a GET with a beating. He does not mention where this was said in Rabbi Waldernberg’s books. But the statement, even if it is true, only means that if a husband has been jailed by a rabbinical court for not giving a GET, then the rabbinical court has decided that the husband is in that minority of husbands who can be coerced, or that the coercion is something else besides the demand for the GET. The statement does not mean that goons like Epstein can make a “Beth Din” and torture husbands because the wife has the money to pay them.



    So there is ample halachic precedent for a BD, a Rav to force a get in certain circumstances. To blanket say it's assur is false.

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  47. what nonsensense!
    why not cite Rambam?
    this is not how halacha works

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  48. Rabbi Epstein did not make a bet din.
    He used the RCA bet din psak to justify . . .

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  49. Kalonymus AnonymusAugust 26, 2019 at 4:38 PM

    Can cite Rambam too.
    Seems you don't understand the point I made.
    Reb dovid is accepting that under certain conditions, the bd can bring pressure. That's not an open check. Similarly, you cannot claim that it's forbidden in all cases.

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  50. you still don't understand how psak works

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  51. Kalonymus AnonymusAugust 27, 2019 at 3:25 PM

    you are right - however, the question is not whether I understand it, it is whether R' Lau or R' Breitowitz understand it.


    https://digitalcommons.law.umaryland.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=2837&context=mlr

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  52. https://zaidpub.com/2013/07/03/the-satanic-sabbatean-frankist-cult-that-rules-the-world/ 1

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  53. https://ia800300.us.archive.org/32/items/TheSabbatean-frankistMessianicConspiracyPartiallyExposed/TheSabbatean-frankistMessianicConspiracyPartiallyExposed.pdf e

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  54. Kalonymus AnonymusAugust 29, 2019 at 3:33 PM

    That was about the new York get Law /pre nup.
    You used to accept Sh'uT as a standard for validity, but apparently not anymore. Also, rav Elkohen who used to comment here has researched and found that Kovetz teshuvot ascribed to rav elyashiv has actually been falsified by the editors. The actual pesak he made in the BD was more lenient in gittin and agunot.

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  55. https://www.theyeshivaworld.com/news/israel-news/1785383/chareidi-get-refuser-arrives-in-israel-for-his-sons-chasanah-and-is-arrested.html

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  56. https://www.theyeshivaworld.com/news/israel-news/1785383/chareidi-get-refuser-arrives-in-israel-for-his-sons-chasanah-and-is-arrested.html
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