Tuesday, August 9, 2022

Moses and Monotheism

 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moses_and_Monotheism#Summary

In Freud's retelling of the events, Moses led only his close followers into freedom (during an unstable period in Ancient Egyptian history after Akhenaten's death ca. 1350 BCE), that they subsequently killed the Egyptian Moses in rebellion, and still later joined with another monotheistic tribe in Midian who worshipped a volcano god called Yahweh.[4][11] Freud supposed that the monotheistic solar god Aten of the Egyptian Moses was fused with Yahweh, the Midianite volcano god, and that the deeds of Moses were ascribed to a Midianite priest who also came to be called Moses.[12] Moses, in other words, is a composite figure, from whose biography the uprising and murder of the original Egyptian Amarna-cult priest has been excised.[4]

Freud explains that centuries after the murder of the Egyptian Moses, the rebels regretted their action, thus forming the concept of the Messiah as a hope for the return of Moses as the Saviour of the Israelites. Freud claimed that repressed (or censored) collective guilt stemming from the murder of Moses was passed down through the generations; leading the Jews to neurotic expressions of legalistically religious sentiment to disperse or cope with their inheritance of trauma and guilt. In many respects, the book reiterates the theogony that Freud first argued in Totem and Taboo,[13] as Freud acknowledges in the text of Moses & Monotheism on several occasions. For example, he writes:

6 comments :

  1. There's a kernel of truth to what he says. We killed Aharon by the golden calf, and Moshe by mei meriva. The sentence was delayed.
    We have and should have guilt about the golden calf, which has gilgul in each generation. Shabbetai zvi, reform, LGBT open o, Walder etc.

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  2. Salanter and Freud, from Wikipedia

    The concept of the subconscious appears in the writings of Lipkin well before the concept was popularized by Sigmund Freud. Already in 1880,[21] the concept of conscious and subconscious processes and the role they play in the psychological, emotional and moral functioning of man are fully developed and elucidated. These concepts are referred to in his works as the "outer" [chitzoniut] and "inner" [penimiut] processes, they are also referred to as the "clear" [klarer] and "dark" [dunkler] processes. They form a fundamental building block of many of Rabbi Salanter's letters, essays and teachings. He would write that it is critical for a person to recognize what his subconscious motivations [negiot] are and to work on understanding them.[22]

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  3. A Rabbi , maybe his wife's family (Bernays) pleased with Freud on this book he wrote. The Rav said that 1900 years they have accused us of killing Yashke, and now you are saying we killed Moses as well?

    Devarim 4:

    21 Now the LORD was angered with me for your sakes, and swore that I should not go over the Jordan, and that I should not go in unto that good land, which the LORD thy God giveth thee for an inheritance;

    22 but I must die in this land, I must not go over the Jordan; but ye are to go over, and possess that good land.

    Tehillim 106

    לב וַיַּקְצִיפוּ, עַל-מֵי מְרִיבָה; וַיֵּרַע לְמֹשֶׁה, בַּעֲבוּרָם. 32 They angered Him also at the waters of Meribah, and it went ill with Moses because of them;
    לג כִּי-הִמְרוּ אֶת-רוּחוֹ; וַיְבַטֵּא, בִּשְׂפָתָיו. 33 For they embittered his spirit, and he spoke rashly with his lips.


    So there is some truth to Freud's claims, but it was indirect cause of his death.

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  4. Golden calf was on 17 Tammuz
    https://www.chabad.org/library/article_cdo/aid/398939/jewish/Squeezed.htm.


    See also https://www.chabad.org/library/article_cdo/aid/398939/jewish/Squeezed.htm. ohr hachaim on the link between the spies, Tisha b av and Moses not entering Israel.

    So we do mourn the complex behaviour, trauma and guilt that prevented Moshe from entering Israel.

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  5. So what?
    neither Freud or Rav Salanter discovered the unco9nscious mind - it was a very popular and widely discussed idea in the 1800's
    See the discovery of the Unconscious by Whyte
    It is not a Jewess idea and the way it was used psychologists - especially Freudian was ant-religion

    This is a basic kiruv technique - take a popular idea and claimed the Jews knew about it first

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  6. there are 2 books : The unconscious before Freud. whyte

    and The Discovery of the Unconscious by Ellenberger

    here is ch. 2 of Ellenberger https://www.mhweb.org/mpc_course/ellenberger.pdf

    so there were quacks like Mesmer, who believed in fluid, magnetism, mesmerism etc.

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