Sunday, January 2, 2022

R Shmuel Eliyahu's defense

 https://www.jewishpress.com/news/jewish-news/rabbi-shmuel-eliyahu-this-is-why-we-ruled-chaim-walder-guilty/2021/12/29/

As head of the rabbinical court, Rabbi Eliyahu has faced numerous questions from Walder’s colleagues, asking why the rabbis issued a ruling finding him guilty without having heard testimony directly from Walder.

The rabbi posted the following to his Facebook account in response.

Question: How was the Bais Din allowed to establish Chaim Walder’s guilt without hearing directly from the accused? Especially since they paskened (with certainty) that he was guilty?

  1. The Halacha requires us as Rabbanim (rabbis) to act against people who defile Beit Yisrael (the House of Israel). This involvement is not done with conventional parameters of Beit Din (rabbinical court) and we are not required to accept testimony before the defendant. Even more so when he regularly threatened women and they feared him.
  2. Despite this, we checked, investigated and questioned thoroughly. Witnesses testified that he committed adultery with married women for many years and they were forced to divorce because they were prohibited from their husbands. We saw rulings from other Batei Din (rabbinical courts) about these issues and supported the findings with additional unanimous evidence. In addition, we heard recordings in his own voice that attest to serious immoral acts, and we found him guilty without a doubt.
  3. Although it was clear to him that he was destroying homes and causing Jewish families to be hurt and become tamei (impure) he continued this behavior without stopping for a moment. We heard testimonies about 22 women and girls whom he assaulted, and there is no doubt that these cases are just a small fraction of the evil that he did.
  4. The Torah teaches us to treat Walder’s actions with the same severity as if it was murder. “For as a man will stand up against another man and murder him so is this thing.” Such acts bring anger upon Klal Yisrael (the People of Israel), evil decrees, and prevent our prayers from being heard.
  5. According to Halacha (Jewish Law) we are allowed to publicly lash him, threaten him, and humiliate him. We may remove him from being a shliach tzibbur (leader of public prayers) and stop him from teaching Jewish children. In addition to many other things that are not customary today.
  6. We don’t do these things [in these days], but we are still obligated to stop him. If we don’t warn the public about his actions and he continues, the blame will be on us, chalilah (God forbid). Due to the great responsibility on us to stop this [behavior] from happening in the future, we were forced to stop these abominations.
  7. We called upon Walder to take upon himself a path of teshuva. We sent people to convince him to repent, in order to prevent a huge Chilul Hashem (desecration of God’s Name) when his actions became public. Instead of repenting, he chose to threaten us through his messengers, just as they tried to threaten Rav Yehuda Silman shlit”a who paskened (ruled) that people to remove Walder’s books from their homes. It’s a pity that he doesn’t (didn’t) surrender and follow a path of teshuva (repentance).
  8. Among a plethora of evidence, the Tzfat Beit Din (rabbinical court) was presented with a recording in which Walder was heard urging a married woman who had confessed to the rabbis about having an affair with him, to take back her testimony and conceal evidence relating to him.

    “Come and learn something,” he was heard saying to her. “In life, everything can be concealed… even if they were to present a photograph of me next to you, I would deny it. I would say it was photoshopped. I will never admit to it, never.”

    Walder advised the woman to instead say that her husband threatened her into reporting a fake event.

    But the woman chose to testify before the court, presenting her version of the events that had taken place.

    In the recording, Walder was heard threatening the woman, saying he would end his own life.

    “Listen to me,” he said on the recording. “If this is publicized, I will“Listen to me,” he said on the recording. “If this is publicized, I will shoot myself. Let this be clear to you, and don’t have any doubts. This would mean the end of my own life.”

8 comments :

  1. Rav Rosenberg 'S court finds against berland, without him appearing
    https://m.jpost.com/israel-news/irrefutable-testimony-berland-touched-married-women-under-clothes-rabbi-631498.

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  2. therefore what?
    He also doesn't say what the evidence is

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  3. Let me try to phrase it differently - if the BD of Rav Nissim Karelitz ztl, and Rav sternbuch's BD, and Rav Kanievsky etc all made proclamations against Menuval B, without B appearing, it is safe to assume that they had grounds on whcih to do this - whether halacha or meta- halacha, eg an extreme case of great danger. Therefore, R' Elyahu (and presumably R Rosenberg and r Silman) also acted on the same grounds. The suicide note mentions both r Silman and R Eliyahu and summons them to the great BD in the sky.

    So now, you have a different choice - either all teh Gedolim are wrong, or they are all right. If they are right so is R Eliyahu. and if you claim R E;iyahu is wrong, then you have to search for a new group of Rabbonim to follow.

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  4. Also - for evidence, there is a chicken and egg problem -

    according to the sources you bring, can only hear testimony/evidence in presence of both parties. So you can't argue that in some cases the evidence is so grave that there is a heter to act without the other party. How did that evidence arrive in your (BD) hands in the first place? Were both sides there? No. So you have a logical , horse before the cart problem, which rules out your most respected batei din, who acted and made decisions, without the presences of Berland - since they considered evidence without him being present, however severe that evidence was.


    In Physics this is known as Schroedinger's Cat - you cannot assess whether a cat in a black box has been killed by radiocative particles witout opening the door, and if you open the door, it ruins the experiment.

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  5. here is the tape where Walder is teaching his paramour how to lie her way through the system

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AzkCCIHQhmw

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  6. Hebrew version of Rav Elyahu's reasoning, with sources:








    בס"ד


    שאלה:


    איך בית הדין של הרב קבע שחיים ולדר אשם בלי לשמוע אותו. במיוחד שכבר פסקת שהוא אשם?


    תשובה:


    א. ההלכה מחייבת אותנו כרבנים לפעול כנגד אנשים שמטמאים את בית ישראל. (תענית יב. מו"ק ו. ב"י תקסה). הטיפול הזה לא נעשה בכללים הרגילים של בית דין ולא חייבים לקבל עדות בפניו. (שו"ת שואל ומשיב מהד"ק חלק א, סימן קפה). כל שכן כשרגיל לאיים על הנשים ויראות מפניו. (רמ"א חו"מ כח טו).


    ב. עם זאת בדקנו וחקרנו ושאלנו היטב, הגיעו לפנינו עדים שהעידו כי הוא נאף עם נשים נשואות שנים רבות עד שגרם להם להתגרש ולהיות אסורות על בעליהן. ראינו מעשה בית דין על כך וחיזקנו את הדברים בהוכחות נוספות חד משמעיות. כמו כן שמענו הקלטות בקולו שמעידות על מעשים חמורים בעריות שהוא עשה, ומצאנו הוא אשם בלי שום ספק.


    ג. למרות שהיה ברור לו שהוא הורס בתים. ולמרות שהיה ברור לו שהוא מכשיל ומטמא את בית ישראל, המשיך ולדר בדרכו בלי לעצור לרגע. קיבלנו עדויות על 22 נשים ונערות שהוא פגע בהן, ואין שום ספק שהמקרים הללו הם רק חלק קטן מפגיעתו הרעה.


    ד. התורה מלמדת אותנו להתייחס למעשים של ולדר בתיעוב ובחומרה כאילו מדובר ברצח. "כִּי כַּאֲשֶׁר יָקוּם אִישׁ עַל רֵעֵהוּ וּרְצָחוֹ נֶפֶשׁ כֵּן הַדָּבָר הַזֶּה". מעשים כאלה מביאים חרון אף על ישראל, מביאים גזרות רעות, עוצרים את התפילות, וכך מזהירה התורה: "אַל תִּטַּמְּאוּ בְּכָל אֵלֶּה כִּי בְכָל אֵלֶּה נִטְמְאוּ הַגּוֹיִם אֲשֶׁר אֲנִי מְשַׁלֵּחַ מִפְּנֵיכֶם: וַתִּטְמָא הָאָרֶץ וָאֶפְקֹד עֲוֹנָהּ עָלֶיהָ וַתָּקִא הָאָרֶץ אֶת ישְׁבֶיהָ". (ויקרא פרק יח כד).


    ה. על פי ההלכה מותר לנו להלקות אדם כזה ברבים (קידושין פא. שו"ע אה"ז קעח כ), לנדות אותו. (מו"ק יז.) לבזות אותו ברבים. (רמב"ם סנהדרין כד ה). להעביר אותו מלהיות שליח ציבור (מג"א נג ז.) לאסור עליו ללמד את ילדי ישראל (שו"ת שואל ומשיב מהד"ק חלק א, סימן קפה). ועוד הרבה דברים אחרים שלא נהוגים היום. (רמב"ם סנהדרין כד. שו"ע חו"מ ב.)


    ו. אנחנו לא משתמשים בכל הדרכים הללו, אבל חייבים לעצור אותו. אם לא נזהיר את הציבור ממעשיו והוא ימשיך בהם, האשמה תהיה עלינו, חלילה. (נדה סא.). מכח החובה שמוטלת עלינו לעצור את המקרים הבאים, אנחנו פועלים להפסיק את התועבות שלו.


    ז. קראנו לחיים ולדר כדי שיקבל על עצמו דרך תשובה. שלחנו אנשים לשכנע אותו שיחזור בו כדי שלא יהיה חילול השם גדול כשיתפרסמו כל המעשים הללו. במקום לחזור בתשובה הוא בחר לאיים ולהכפיש אותנו באמצעות שליחיו, כמו שהם ניסו לאיים על הרה"ג יהודה סילמן שליט"א שפסק להוציא את ספריו מהבתים. חבל מאוד מאוד שהוא לא מכניע את עצמו ומקבל דרך התשובה.

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  7. YU -call Walder a rasha!


    https://www.yutorah.org/sidebar/lecture.cfm/1021588/rabbi-eitan-bendavid/we-must-not-remain-silent-lessons-for-our-community-from-the-chaim-walder-scandal/

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