Guest Post:by Truth a Weiss supporter
rebuttal
[update rebuttal by Foncused a Dodelson supporter below - November 27, 2013]
rebuttal
[update rebuttal by Foncused a Dodelson supporter below - November 27, 2013]
There is a phrase called pilpula shel hevel...loosely translated this
means sophistry that gets you nowhere. I humbly think we are seeing a
lot of this here. We have a situation of a former couple that are
arguing over a child's custody. The court order is still unfinished
hence the need for further mediation...
Anyone who understands the
concept of bra kara d'avuha understands that just like to a mother her
child is one with her so it is with a loving father ..thus the mantra
just give a get is a fallacy. The father once he gives the get has no
recourse to salvage a lifetime relationship with his child...
Believe it
or not the issues stopping Gital from getting her get are
1. She wants to control where Avrohom Meir takes his child on his weekly visitation
2. She is battling giving Avrohom Meir from noon on erev shabbos when it is his shabbos so he can go to the country etc with his child
3. She is haggling over a statement to stop mud slinging once the get is given...
These are the core issues by not agreeing she is branded an
aguna. A lot different than a woman anchored isn't it? ...
Thus people of
reason such as Rabbi Bender, Rabbi Greenwald and now Rabbi Sholom Kaminetsky were brought in to seal the deal. Why should the Dodelsons
rebel against these attempts?
While these attempts were going on
the Dodelson's during all mediation attempts have been slinging arrows at
the Weiss's and the Feinsteins...mass mailings where they
live...protests at their home...vilifying them in the global
press...and what have the Weiss's and Feinsteins done? sheker needs to
keep pounding emes is recognizable without saying a word....the Weiss's
are out of parnassa...while the achieve 3000 war machine hacks away
mercilessly...
There was a kol korei...people forget that the first one
was signed by Rav Kotler..that disappeared because it made no sense at
all. (Note that Rav Dovid did not say a word because of negios until he
finally wrote one sentence as a gilui milsa balma.). The next kol korei
was signed by people who never talked to the Weiss Feinstein camp to
hear their side of the story..Yes they are gedolim but we are taught ki
hashoced yaveir einie chachomim visaleif divrei tzadikim-bribery blinds
the eyes of the wise and perverts the words of the righteous There
are all kinds of bribery all roads lead to Lakewood especially Philly
and most shidduchim come from Lakewood and most young men go to Lakewood
...the power brought against Avrohom Meir is scary
Hoping for a speedy resolution for Avrohom Meir and Gital
Hashem yracheim
Truth
update: ===========Rebuttal by Foncused a Dodelson supporter===============
update: ===========Rebuttal by Foncused a Dodelson supporter===============
I am not privy to the
details of the negotiations, but obviously some people here either are,
or are being fed information to make them feel that way. As we all know,
any Machlokes has two sides & it all depends on what perspective
you look at this from. Therefore, I will use the post recently submitted
by "truth" [above] as a basis for how I see this.
Believe it or not the issues stopping Avrohom Meir from giving the get are
1. He wants to to change the court order so that he doesn't have to remain in New Jersey for his visitation.
2. Avrohom Meir is battling to expand his weekend custody from noon on erev shabbos when it is his shabbos so he can go to the country with his child
3. He is haggling over a statement as to what exactly she is allowed to say once the get is given & what penalties she should face if she says something to his displeasure.If he would just be mevater on these 3 simple things, he would have no reason not to give a get, according to "truth".Something tells me that there's more to this story, because if it is true, there is no reason for Weiss to keep holding this up over minor issues.
1) he has the child during a school week until 7:30. Playgroups let out 2-2:30. Iyh the child will be in school, and by 3rd grade will be letting out at 5:30. How important is it that he be able to go to Staten Island for the next two years already?
The child won't even be able to get out of the car!
5:30- pickup from ChederDrive to Staten Island6:30- say hi to Bubby & Zeidy Weiss- remember to keep your seat belt on because we need to rush back to Lakewood so we can be back at7:30- drop off by Mommy.Come on!
2) Weiss needs to be able to go to the country every week of the year, or is he saying that when he wants to go she should let him?
This is laughable because this sort of minor detail is the reason why the court usually appoints a third party to coordinate the custody issues & special circumstances. Is there one here? What is his opinion on this?
Two things are clear about this demand. If the relationship hadn't been made toxic by his withholding a get, this wouldn't have to be bargained, & he's not being honest about this demand. He probably wants every other Friday to begin at 12, & that's why he's not giving a get???
3) suffice it to say that the "mudslinging" hadn't started before he was withholding a get for 2+ years. It's disingenuous to say that that is his justification. Obviously this is a ploy to make him look more reasonable.Bottom line:
Dodelson has a clear endgame- a get.
Weiss has a clear strategy- say that Dodelson is to blame for the Get not being given because she won't cave to these simple demands (which are neither simple, or the only demands.)=================I'm looking forward to all the comments you all will be posting bashing ORA, the NY Post, and Gital's frumkeit. Just rest assured that the people who read it see it as your inability to answer the content of my words.
Do you want this to be resolved? Act as if you do.Thank you for posting that- hopefully it will have some positive effect on this parsha.