Monday, March 30, 2020

Use of fetal tissue in vaccine development

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Use_of_fetal_tissue_in_vaccine_development


Most vaccines currently available were developed using cell strains cultured from two fetuses aborted for other purposes in the 1960s.[3] This has led some to oppose vaccination on religious or moral grounds.[1][2] However, vaccine experts and manufacturers state that vaccines do not contain any of the original fetal tissue or cells, that the abortions occurred decades ago and replenishment with new tissue has not occurred. Also, producing a safe vaccine for many diseases requires the use of these cell strains.[2] The Catholic Church, which opposes abortion, has stated that vaccination should not be refused on moral grounds because the public health benefits of vaccination outweigh the historical use of aborted fetal tissue to develop some vaccines.[1][2]

21 comments :

  1. Would you wash your hands with soap rendered from the fatty tissue of a murder victim? Would you read by a light with a lampshade made from the victim's skin?

    Would you enjoy watching one of those cleverly made domino demonstrations if the first domino fell because a abortion doctor aborted a fetus and as the fetus parts departed the woman they knocked down the first domino?!

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  2. Kalonymus HaQatanMarch 31, 2020 at 7:21 PM

    I rely on the heter of the Pope!

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  3. Kalonymus HaQatanMarch 31, 2020 at 7:27 PM

    Even if you say those fetuses were murdered 60 years ago, that doesn't give you the right to murder millions of other people by denying the use of vaccines.

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  4. Would you utilize bad analogies?

    Wait, wait. Don't answer that. I know it.
    The answer is yes.

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  5. I'm not denying anyone a vaccine other than myself.

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  6. I'm not sure I'd add anything to the conversation by explaining. But I'll try.

    It's basically an emotional argument I was making.

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  7. The domino analogy is a good analogy. It demonstrates how it is possible to benefit from a bad action indirectly.

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  8. so if money was earned even indirectly from chilul Shabbos you would refuse to benefit from it?

    Not all tainting automatically disqualifies or invalidates any and all benefit. both in Halacha and secular law

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  9. I would try not to benefit from it if Chilul Shabbos was involved, although taken to an extreme I'd probably perish. So within limits, I would try not to benefit.

    Just because something is pure in the eyes of Halacha doesn't mean I must use it. I balance the impact on my feelings when doing something.

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  10. Your personal emotions have nothing to do with the topic.

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  11. Kalonymus HaQatanApril 2, 2020 at 12:31 AM

    Rav J. David Bleich who is an expert Posek on medical, and general matters - and is very strict about time of death. So he does not allow removal of organs until his halachic criteria are fulfilled, which is stricter than other MO rabbis. That's the preamble.
    He says that a kidney or other organ that is removed, even in violation of the strictest halachic standards, is still mutar to accept if someone needs a transplant.
    So, i think you have a pretty difficult case to prove.

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  12. Now you've gone and hurt my feelings *pout*.

    My emotions have everything to do with the decisions I make. Sometimes I ignore them, "It's cold! Don't take that blanket off. YOU CAN DAVEN LATER!!!"; and sometimes I cater to them, "No way am I going to eat anything cooked by a transgender chef if I can help it no matter how Kosher it is."

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  13. https://daattorah.blogspot.com/2010/05/frumkeit-self-centered-religious.html

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  14. RAV WOLBE https://daattorah.blogspot.com/2010/05/frumkeit-self-centered-religious.html

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  15. I'm self-centered. Ok. Is that your point?

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  16. Why do you keep assigning to me things I never said, implied, or intended? I have nothing to prove.

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  17. Yes. I'm an animal. The goal is to be a man; regrettably, I'm not quite there, yet.

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  18. Kalonymus HaQatanApril 2, 2020 at 10:56 PM

    This is a brillian Gemra, thank you very much . I had remembered the bloodletting Perushim, but this one is very precious:






    אמר רב נחמן בר יצחק דמטמרא מטמרא ודמגליא מגליא בי דינא רבה ליתפרע
    מהני דחפו גונדי אמר לה ינאי מלכא לדביתיה אל תתיראי מן הפרושין ולא ממי
    שאינן פרושין אלא מן הצבועין שדומין לפרושין שמעשיהן כמעשה זמרי ומבקשין
    שכר כפנחס

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  19. The authors of bad analogies usually don't recognize how bad their analogies are.

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  20. That's sort of like an anteater who prefers chocolate.

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