Jailing a Jewish criminal helps prevent chilul HaShem

Weberman's supporters have been stunned by his conviction. They keep repeating that he wasn't convicted according to proper witnesses or evidence according to the Torah and even if he was a pervert the Torah doesn't provide for imprisonment - especially life imprisonment. These claims show a shocking and dangerous ignorance of normative Jewish law. 

I will repeat a point I have made countless times before. A child molester or rapist is a danger to the welfare of the community. He is reported to the secular authorities as preventative act of protection. The fact that the secular court will try him based on rules and procedures that are different than Torah or that they will punish differently then the Torah - is not a reason for not using them for protection. This fact is repeated by many gedolim - some of which are listed below. Many additional sources are found in my books on abuse - especially volume II. Furthermore not only circumstantial evidence is permitted but conviction based on a standard of less then absolutely certainty is also permitted - sofek rodef is treated as a rodef. [additional sources are in the commentary section]

In addition this case involved a mandated reporter who is required by secular law to report the alleged abuse. BM 83 provides a basis for requiring a Jew to comply with mandated reporting law. These issues have been discussed many times in many posts on this blog - as well as my 3 books on child abuse.
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Steipler Rav (Within the Domain of Gedolei Torah Volume 2 page 557-560): … When Rav Lorenz told the story to the Steipler Rav, the Steipler screamed, “A Jew who sins and repeats that sin, it is better that he be punished in this world and not – G‑d forbid – in the World to Come.” He explained, “The punishment in this world is minor compared to what happens in the World to Come. Furthermore if you succeed in stopping the jail sentence he will continue to repeatedly commit this crime. It is better that he receive his punishment and perhaps learn self‑restraint…In addition if I give you permission and you testify for his benefit it is obvious that every newspaper and all the public media will publicize the matter and it will also be a chilul HaShem when he sins again…”

Rav Moshe Halberstam (Yeschurun 15 page 646): Let’s return to the original question concerning a wicked molester whose evil inclination forces him to sin and be wicked and it is possible to turn him over to the government in order that he be incarcerated in prison for a number of years until he calms down and returns to G‑d wholeheartedly. According to the sources we discussed before it is clear that there is no sin or transgression in handing him over to the authorities. In fact the opposite is true – it is a mitzva because by doing so he is caused to stop from doing the disgusting deeds. In addition we know that the government will not execute him. Therefore the essence of his punishment is that he will be forced to dwell for a number of years in prison. This will be beneficial to him in that they will assign him a psychologist or psychiatrist who will supervise him  and his activities with a watchful eye. Perhaps he will be able to find a resolution of his torment by means of this treatment. So in such a case it is obvious that it is a good thing to save him and to save his family from his incestual attacks on them.

Rav Yehuda Silman (Yeschurun 15 page 662): … The commentaries explain that the obvious reason for not needing witnesses but they could rely even on circumstantial evidence is because this was not a court procedure to punish wrongdoers. Rather it was either done to obey the law of the kingdom or it was to stop someone from sinning. The Rashba is cited in the Beis Yosef that witnesses are not needed in such a case…”. That is because we are concerned only with the knowledge of truth in order to stop the harm and to make protective measures against iniquity. Furthermore according to what I said that even a doubtful rodef is permitted to be killed it is obvious that it is permitted for us to take protective action even if we have unresolved doubts.

Rav Yehuda Silman (Yeschurun 22): …In the original article I was inclined to the view that in the case of sexual abuse since the perpetrator is not executed but is imprisoned to protect society then perhaps all would agree that it is permitted to report him to the authorities. Furthermore in the original article it was concluded that that it is obvious that there is no need to have witnesses that meet the standards required by the Torah but even less than that is sufficient and I cited a number of rishonim. The reason is reporting the teacher to the secular authorities is not punishment requiring a beis din but is an action mandated by secular law (in the Diaspora) or in order to separate the abuser from committing sin. In addition according to the reason that even in the case of a possible rodef it is permitted to inform the authorities – it is obvious that is permitted without proper witnesses since all that is required is that there be the possibility that he is an abuser….some say just the opposite and assert that it is not necessary to convene a beis din with both sides present and that in fact a beis din or even a rav is not needed at all. Rather what is needed is to involve the government authorities as soon as possible since only they have the legal right and actual ability to deal with these matters…. On the one hand concerning the legal requirement - it is clear that there is no need to convene a beis din in the presence of both sides since the basis of the permission to report the perpetrator to the secular authorities is either because he is a possible rodef (pursuer) or to separate him from sinning or because of the government mandates reporting

Rav Yehuda Silman (Yeschurun 22): 4) The view expressed in Bava Metzia (83b) concerning R’ Eliezar bar Rav Shimon who was involved in capturing thieves because the king had commanded him to do so... In the original article I was inclined to the view that in the case of sexual abuse since the perpetrator is not executed but is imprisoned to protect society then perhaps all would agree that it is permitted to report him to the authorities... In addition according to the reason that even in the case of a possible rodef it is permitted to inform the authorities – it is obvious that is permitted without proper witnesses since all that is required is that there be the possibility that he is an abuser...it is clear that there is no need to convene a beis din in the presence of both sides since the basis of the permission to report the perpetrator to the secular authorities is either because he is a possible rodef (pursuer) or to separate him from sinning or because of the government mandates reporting. In fact these cases do not require a beis din and we need to merely consider the possible loss versus the possible gain. If the accusations are in fact true then we are dealing with a case of saving a person from being harmed. While if the accusations are in fact not true then in general, the government will free him. On the other hand it is certain that it is impossible that everyone can take responsibility for deciding whether to inform the secular authorities…

Reporting even a suspected abuser to the police

For those who wish to see additional sources they are in my books on child abuse

Rav Yehuda Silman(Yeschurun volume 15 page 662): 5) It is obvious in these matters of child abuse that it not necessary to have formal witnesses. As we see in Bava Metzia (83) that R’ Eliezer bar R’ Shimon had the Romans arrest those who were drinking in the tavern and were sleepy. … The commentaries explain that the obvious reason for not needing witnesses but they could rely even on circumstantial evidence is because this was not a court procedure to punish wrongdoers. Rather it was either done to obey the law of the kingdom or it was to stop someone from sinning. The Rashba is cited in the Beis Yosef that witnesses are not needed in such a case…”. That is because we are concerned only with the knowledge of truth in order to stop the harm and to make protective measures against iniquity. Furthermore according to what I said that even a doubtful rodef is permitted to be killed it is obvious that it is permitted for us to take protective action even if we have unresolved doubts.

Rav Yehuda Silman(Yeschurun 15): Nevertheless the decision to report the perpetrator to the police is not given to everyone to decide. Rather as the Yam Shel Shlomo has said it is given to a rabbi or to a distinguished layman who will judge the matter objectively.[ R' Gottesman of the Aguda said we posken like this Yam Shel Shlomo and don't require a beis din]

Rav Yehuda Silman(Yeschurun 22): Question: I had previously received a query from America concerning the issue of informing the government authorities in a case of a teacher sexually abusing his student. The question was whether it is permitted or even a mitzva to be involved in reporting the matter to the secular authorities. I replied [Yeschurun 15 page 661] that there are number of different ways to judge the matter. 1) Viewing the abuser as a rodef (pursuer) [I mentioned in the previous article that this does not apply in the case of a male above the age of 13 or a girl above the age of 12 when the adult does it with their consent.]. 2) Stopping the abuser from sinning. I brought the dispute between the Ketzos and the Nesivos HaMishpat…and the Yam Shel Shlomo and the Chasam Sofer. However it is agreed by all of these sources is that a person of distinguished status (chashiv) is able to stop another from committing a prohibited act. 3) The position of Shulchan Aruch (C.M. 2) that a beis din is able to flog and punish in order to protect society – in a manner which is not prescribed by the Torah. Therefore in a case like ours in which experience has shown that a sex abuser is able to ruin many people – everyone agrees that beis din can punish in ways not prescribed by the Torah.[In the earlier article I pointed out there are significant differences between these approaches. If you take the perspective of separating the abuser from sinning then if the teacher is fired then there is no longer a need to act since he has lost his primary opportunity to sin but of course it depends on the nature of the crime. In contrast if the concern is protecting society then the perpetrator should still be reported even if he has been fired.] 4) The view expressed in Bava Metzia (83b) concerning R’ Eliezar bar Rav Shimon who was involved in capturing thieves because the king had commanded him to do so. I brought the dispute amongst the rishonim was to whether or not the halacha is in accord with R’ Eliezar or not. In the original article I was inclined to the view that in the case of sexual abuse since the perpetrator is not executed but is imprisoned to protect society then perhaps all would agree that it is permitted to report him to the authorities.

  

Rav Yehuda Silman(Yeschurun volume 15 page 663): The laws that have emerged from our discussion concerning child molesters. We see that there are two separate issues 1) Concerning removing the perpetrator from his job. In this issue we establish that the halacha follows the view of the Sho’el u’Meishiv that it is enough that there are bad rumors and there is concern because of doubts. It seems that in such a case where there seems to be a basis for these rumors it is possible to remove him from his job even in the middle of the year and he does not receive any compensation for the remainder of his contract or for loss of job. 2) Concerning reporting him to the secular authorities. If the circumstances are that it is sufficient to remove him from the job and there is no concern that he will continue attacking children, then that is what should be done and he should not be reported. 3) However if there is a concern that he will continue to molest children, then at least because of the requirement to stop him from sinning it is permitted to report him even if he does not molest in a way that he transgresses actual Torah prohibitions and is therefore not considered a rodef. But since in our days prison is not considered life threatening it is permitted to cause him to be imprisoned. 4) However the decision as to whether to report a molester is not given to everyone as the Yam Shel Shlomo said Rather it is given to a dayan or an important person.  5) Furthermore, the understanding of the facts of the situation as to what actions are needed can be based upon the evidence of children or any other evidence which arouses a serious question such as tape recordings, letters, or polygraph tests. In general without this - if there is no evidence even according to what is accepted by secular law – there can be no punishment. The point is that there is no requirement that the evidence must be valid according to the Torah. 6) However if the suspect is prepared to accept therapy that will make him better - such as psychotherapy, or chemicals which suppress his sex drive – if it seems to the dayan that he will do what he promised [and sometimes with appropriate supervision] then treatment is preferable to reporting him to the police. However even if the molester is given the alternative of treatment and supervision instead of jail - he needs to quit his job which involves contact with children. 7) Outside of Israel where secular law is relevant there are additional reasons to be lenient and allow reporting to the police. 8) It is a good idea to establish a dayan or a beis din to make the decisions about the above issues and therefore men should be selected for this purpose who are experienced in these matters because of the serious of the matter which requires special expertise.

Hearsay Evidence and other invalid testimony

 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hearsay

Hearsay evidence, in a legal forum, is testimony from an under-oath witness who is reciting an out-of-court statement, the content of which is being offered to prove the truth of the matter asserted. In most courts, hearsay evidence is inadmissible (the "hearsay evidence rule") unless an exception to the hearsay rule applies.

https://torah.org/learning/halacha-overview-chapter80/

 

It is forbidden to give false testimony or testimony based on hearsay, as it says “You shall not answer against your friend as a false witness”.2

Testimony cannot be accepted from women, children, or persons who are blind or not in full possession of their mental faculties; from sinners [as it says “You shall not set your hand with an evil man to be a wicked witness”7]; from ignoramuses unless they are known to be righteous; from relatives [as it says “Fathers shall not die because of sons”8]; or from persons who could derive benefit from the verdict. (All such persons are also disqualified from being judges. A proselyte, an old man, a eunuch, a person blind in one eye, a bastard, and a friend or enemy of the defendant are also disqualified from being judges in capital cases.) Testimony must be given orally; but in purely monetary matters (not involving fines) written testimony can be accepted.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwi9ivXjkZj1AhX6gv0HHSbJBlsQFnoECB4QAQ&url=https%3A%2F%2Fcore.ac.uk%2Fdownload%2Fpdf%2F80411162.pdf&usg=AOvVaw1uIH9Yqas0M14wuySezhaW

The Establishment of a Rule Against Hearsay in Romano-Canonical Procedure

By the thirteenth century. Continental jurists enshrined in law a deliberate value judgment that rested on the authority of much older Roman and canonical texts: hearsay should be rejected regardless of who the factfinder is, because a reliable verdict must be based on first-hand testimony at trial, subject to testing before the factfinder. The English jury system may provide a means to assure enforcement of the English hearsay bar, but the rejection of hearsay does not depend upon the jury for its rationale or for its origin in \Vestem legal culture. I

Rabbi Tao: “Rabbi Eliyahu is engaged in persecution”

 https://middleeast.in-24.com/News/542180.html

The rabbi later referred to the publication of the accusations against Velder and attacked the tribunal and Rabbi Shmuel Eliyahu. “There was no court for it. Rabbi Shmuel suffers from McCarthyism, after what happened to Scheinberg in Safed he lost all boundaries. There is really no court, do not listen to him in this matter, everything is a bluff, a lie and a lie.”

“Everything you have heard is fabricated and invented,” the rabbi claimed in the summary. “The tribunal is one big laugh, do not believe it. Everything is a lie, and whoever whitens the face of his friend in public has no part in the next world.”

Support for Minister Kahana’s Conversion Plan

 https://www.israelnationalnews.com/news/319701

About a week ago, my position on the issue of conversion was published:

“I support the initiative of the Minister of Religions, Matan Kahana, in restoring the authority of conversion to local rabbis. This is the law from time immemorial, namely, that every rabbi is authorized to convert. This was the practice in the State of Israel until about thirty years ago, and similarly, it is fitting and correct today, in order to open the majority of doors for immigrants from Jewish families who are not halakhically Jews, to convert according to halakha. I hope that this initiative will add Torah and mitzvot in Israel, and on account of it, more immigrants will return to their roots, and more Jews in the Land of Israel will be strengthened in keeping tradition, in the love of Torah, and in keeping mitzvot.”

I will elaborate a bit on the issue (based on my book, “HaMasoret HaYehudit” 18: 6).

Leading haredi rabbi: It's a 'great merit' to vaccinate children

 https://www.israelnationalnews.com/news/319832

Rabbi Chaim Kanievsky, a leading Lithuanian-haredi rabbi, has instructed teachers to call parents up and convince them to vaccinate their children against COVID-19, Israel Hayom reported.

The haredi community saw high numbers of pediatric coronavirus infections during the first wave of the pandemic, causing many parents to believe that their children are now immune to the virus and do not need to be vaccinated.

However, serological tests have revealed that many of these children either did not actually contract COVID-19, or no longer have antibodies due to the passage of time since the infection.

Meanwhile, Israel Hayom noted, school principals have asked Rabbi Kanievsky for his suggestions on how to encourage parents to vaccinate their children

Trump Ally Bernard Kerik Hands Over Docs to Jan. 6 House Select Committee

 https://www.thedailybeast.com/trump-ally-bernard-kerik-hands-over-documents-to-jan-6-house-select-committee

Disgraced former New York City police commissioner and Trump confidante Bernard Kerik has turned over a tranche of documents to the House select committee investigating the events surrounding the events of Jan. 6, Politico reported. One set of documents Kerik provided reportedly includes emails between Kerik and others in which they discussed paying for rooms at the Willard Hotel so Trump allies could meet to brainstorm ways to block Joe Biden’s electoral win from being certified. Another, titled, “STRATEGIC COMMUNICATIONS PLAN—GIULIANI PRESIDENTIAL LEGAL DEFENSE TEAM,” reportedly lays out a strategy to convince congressional Republicans not to formalize Biden’s victory. In addition to the documents requested by the committee, Kerik also reportedly provided a so-called privilege log that listed the materials he refuses to share. One of them is titled “DRAFT LETTER FROM POTUS TO SEIZE EVIDENCE IN THE INTEREST OF NATIONAL SECURITY FOR THE 2020 ELECTIONS.”

Facebook Denies Suspending, 'Censoring' Marjorie Taylor Greene's Account

 https://www.newsweek.com/facebook-denies-suspending-censoring-marjorie-taylor-greenes-account-1665010

Facebook is denying Representative Marjorie Taylor Greene's claim that the social media platform temporarily suspended the congresswoman's account over a post that violated misinformation standards.

This comes a day after Twitter permanently suspended Greene's personal account for spreading COVID-19 misinformation.

Chief Rabbinate, Rav Druckman Speak Out Against Conversion Reforms

 https://hamodia.com/2022/01/03/chief-rabbinate-rav-druckman-speak-out-against-conversion-reforms/

The senior leader of the Religious Zionist community, Rabbi Chaim Druckman, attended a meeting of the Chief Rabbinate Council on Monday, which aims to form a joint religious front against the conversion plan led by Minister of Religious Affairs Matan Kahana.

There have been various reports about Rabbi Druckman’s position on the issue of conversion, with Kahana claiming that Rabbi Druckman supported the outline he presented and would also allow city Rabbanim to oversee conversion.

The decision of the Chief Rabbinate Council Council was also signed by Rabbi Druckman, in which they express outright opposition to the conversion reform of Kahana.

Marjorie Taylor Greene's Twitter account suspended permanently

 https://www.jpost.com/american-politics/article-691374

A Twitter spokesperson told CNN that Greene's @mtgreenee account was permanently suspended for "repeated violations of our COVID-19 misinformation policy."

Her official congressional account @RepMTG was still in operation as of Sunday afternoon.

In a post on the GETTR social media platform, Greene called Twitter an "enemy to America" which "can't handle the truth."

Millions of Angry, Armed Americans Stand Ready to Seize Power If Trump Loses in 2024

 https://www.newsweek.com/2021/12/31/millions-angry-armed-americans-stand-ready-seize-power-if-trump-loses-2024-1660953.html

America's massive and mostly Republican gun-rights movement dovetails with a growing belief among many Republicans that the federal government is an illegitimate tyranny that must be overthrown by any means necessary. That combustible formula raises the threat of armed, large-scale attacks around the 2024 presidential election—attacks that could make the January 6 insurrection look like a toothless stunt by comparison. "The idea that people would take up arms against an American election has gone from completely farfetched to something we have to start planning for and preparing for," says University of California, Los Angeles law professor Adam Winkler, an expert on gun policy and constitutional law.

Rabbi Rafi Feuerstein removes Rabbi Tau's books over Chaim Walder case

 https://www.israelnationalnews.com/news/319776

Rabbi Tzvi Tau, one of the senior rabbis of religious Zionism and the head of Har Hamor Yeshiva, condemns the accusations made against children's author Chaim Walder, who committed suicide due to allegations of sexual harassment. A few days later, Rabbi Rafi Feuerstein, chairman of the Tzohar Rabbinical Association and the president of the Feuerstein Foundation, removed the writings of Rabbi Tzvi Tau from his personal libraries.

"Last week I removed Walder's books, which my children and later my grandchildren read. And this week I removed Rabbi Tau's writings from my library and from my home," said Rabbi Feuerstein, explaining: I do this to show the desecration of G-d's name that results from this great man. For the Rambam writes (Yesodei haTorah Chapter 5 Verse 11): "There are other deeds which are also included in [the category of] the desecration of [G-d's] name, if performed by a person of great Torah stature who is renowned for his piety - i.e., deeds which, although they are not transgressions, [will cause] people to speak disparagingly of him. This also constitutes the desecration of [G-d's] name."

Exclusive: Secret Commandos with Shoot-to-Kill Authority Were at the Capitol

 https://www.newsweek.com/exclusive-secret-commandos-shoot-kill-authority-were-capitol-1661330

 The presence of these extraordinary forces under the control of the Attorney General—and mostly operating under contingency plans that Congress and the U.S. Capitol Police were not privy to—added an additional layer of highly armed responders. The role that the military played in this highly classified operation is still unknown, though FBI sources tell Newsweek that military operators seconded to the FBI, and those on alert as part of the National Mission Force, were present in the metropolitan area.

 The lingering question is: What was it that the Justice Department saw that provoked it to see January 6 as an extraordinary event, something that the other agencies evidently missed.

Rabbi Zev Leff The Tragic Chaim Walder Episode