Wednesday, July 20, 2022

Righteous people can also change

Berachos (28b) The Sages taught: Shimon HaPakuli arranged the eighteen blessings, already extant during the period of the Great Assembly, before Rabban Gamliel, the Nasi of the Sanhedrin, in order in Yavne. Due to prevailing circumstances, there was a need to institute a new blessing directed against the heretics. Rabban Gamliel said to the Sages: Is there any person who knows to institute the blessing of the heretics, a blessing directed against the Sadducees? Shmuel HaKatan, who was one of the most pious men of that generation, stood and instituted it.

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  1. A) itt says Abbaye works out well, but Rava not so well. So pls enlighten me with the proof that the gemara rules like Rava?

    B) Abbaye ' view is quite rational. People tend to have a nature, vto which they succumb . The menuval will be a menuval. The modernist will be modern. The rationalist will think rationally - hence the criticism of the Gra against rambam. The mystic will turn to sabbateanism.
    C) greenblatt may have lost his cognitive abilities and had early stages of dementia. Someone in their 90s already has a 50% chance of having dementia. So he thought he was doing right but lost his ability to act 100% correctly.

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  2. And why is NG of utmost importance, but other serious aveiros are no longer so important?

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  3. Try Shulchan Aruch and the Mishna as well as the flow of this gemora
    Abaye defends himself by claiming there were two people with similar names
    regarding your last point - nobody is saying he had dementia he clearly thought by obeying Daas Torah he was doing the right thing even against logic halacha and reality
    The real question is why didn't he retract his psak when Rav Dovid rejected it as well as Rav Shmuel and all the major rabbinic figures - he apparently had a problem of ever admitting he had erred

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  4. If you watch a few of his most recent videos, he is acting very weird. I don't know if he was always weird, but seems like behavioural changes due to senility.

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  5. No, cherry picking.

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  6. According to your dementia claim - can he be relied upon for psak?

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  7. Why should he retract? He didn't sit with rav Dovid ztl, so under no obligation to accept another psak.
    Daas Torah is problematic logically. Perhaps he didn't wish to undermine his own daas of Torah.

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  8. What aveiros are you claiming are not being taken seriously because of my concern with a phony heter
    O(r are you claiming every post needs to protest against the top 10 sins?!

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  9. Absolutely not.

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  10. I'm claiming the latter, to not lose sight of sex abuse problems.
    Are you claiming, by bringing this gemara, that he essentially became Elisha b. Abuya?

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  11. Wow so you are claiming eveyt post must be about sexual abuse?!

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  12. why are you making the world revolve around NG?

    Need a more balanced "diet".

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  13. Wow!
    I was accused of too much political material and not enough Jewish - now you are saying the maj9or distortion in Jewish divorce is less important than sexual abuse!

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  14. Am I saying that?

    How long do you plan to continue writing about NG? he is dead and buried,. Or do you plan to attack the couple he married, and their mamzer offspring ad infinitum?

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  15. Did the problem he created go away or is it still a present concern?

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  16. There may be hundreds or thousands of such remarriages without a get.
    BTW, a few months ago the statement from the gemara was publicised _ an adulterer still gets olam haba. But he who speaks l'h /embarrasses his fellow man does not. What makes it appropriate now but not then?

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  17. You display amazing lack of understanding about this issue

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  18. If i had the requisite level of understanding, i wouldn't ask the question. Is that how you answer questions in general?

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  19. First you need to be aware of what the audience has trouble understanding

    Having posted many items related to this topic I am simply amazed you have difficulty understanding whyi t is important

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  20. I'm not disputing its importance. Just that it's become like a new "modeh ani "
    I understand part of the campaign is to deter future IBD or rogue poskim.

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  21. I didn't realize the issue had been resolved and the damage done br R Nota and Rav Shmuel had been corrected and they had apologized for the harm they caused
    No this is not just about the future but also the past and present

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  22. The RSK s will not tell Tamar to leave her new partner. The first husband isn't giving a get.
    What about rav Moshe's teshuva to be innovative and not be modest, in finding solutions? He didn't say it needs approval of gedolim, the opposite, he said don't be modest.

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  23. that teshuva encourages people like IBD, Rackman, Greenblatt etc

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  24. There is zero evidence Rav Moshe approved of your innovative approach or that he was encouraging the approaches proposed by your heroes

    R Greenblatt himself opposed the IBD yet he viewed himself a talmid of Rav Moshe. Did Rav Dovid support them?

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  25. This is all speculation. "I" have no approach. Rav Moshe does not specify what the new approaches would be.
    Incidentally, Rav Simcha Kraus opposed the Rackman BD.
    Rav Dovid was not Rav Moshe.

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  26. I should add, "if they were aware of the teshuva!"

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  27. Nope!
    you are the only person who views this as an invitation for justifying all leniencies and innovations

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  28. "justifying all leniencies and innovations"



    it is an invitation for some innovations...





    what was his exact loshon?

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