Tuesday, March 3, 2015

Epstein Trial ( 7th Day): Testimony of man who was beaten to give wife a Get

NJ.COM A Brooklyn man, testifying in the trial of a Lakewood rabbi accused of ordering beatings to extract Jewish divorces, described how he and his roomate were awakened and beaten for hours. 

The testimony offered in the seventh day of the federal conspiracy trial of rabbi Mendel Epstein, did not directly link the religious leader to participating in the Aug. 22, 2011, attack, but it connected his son, who is also charged in the indictment, to the attacks that federal prosecutors say were orchestrated to force the men into giving their wives divorces.[...]

Testifying to a jury of eight men and eight women before U.S. District Judge Freda Wolfson in Trenton, Teitelbaum said he had been asleep in his Brooklyn basement apartment for nearly an hour after returning from his job at a local grocery store when he was awakened by a man who punched him in the face. [...]

When he wasn't screaming, he could hear other men beating his roommate, Usher Chaimowitz, who had been asleep in the other bed in the room, and ordering him to grant his wife a Jewish religious divorce, known as a get, he told Assistant U.S. Attorney Sarah Wolfe.

He said the attackers knocked loose four of his teeth. When he asked why they were beating him, he said, one of his attackers told him, "Woe is the villain; woe is his neighbor."

After beating him in the bedroom, Teitelbaum's attackers dragged him, with his arms and legs bound, into the kitchen, where they cut off his pajamas and covered his head and his lower body with towels, he said. [...]

Teitelbaum said the beating lasted about two hours, after which he and his roommate were able to free themselves. [...]

48 comments :

  1. And did he sadisticly rape his wife ? And for how many hours long ? And beat her till she had broken bones . was she his sex slave ? Some of these so called victims make Jeffrey Dahmer look like a saint

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  2. Klal Yisroel is lucky this case went to trial rather than have all the defendants plea bargain to an agreement. Now the horrors of this story is coming to public light (whereas with a plea agreement this stuff that went on behind closed doors would never have been made in public court and into the public record.)



    Now the world can know exactly what happened and how treif these gittin's are.

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  3. fedupwithcorruptrabbisMarch 3, 2015 at 5:26 AM

    @Goldie why do you find this man guilty of rape? Do you have proof or are you just ranting because you belong to the Feminist club that believe that all men are mere sperm donors and have no right to their children or rights to be divorced the "jewish way"?

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  4. Hmmm... what have you been drinking lately. Making early Purim? Instead of asking questions, why don't you just make simple statements with reliable sources. Sounds like, when have you beaten your wife last. BTW, these beatings were distributed to anybody that the ransom has been put up for. Vechi ma inyan shmatte etsel Harei Gilboa.

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  5. And did he sadisticly rape his wife ?

    Did he? How would you know - would it be through a kangaroo "beth din" composed of thugs, who never heard his side of the story? Why didn't she go to the cops?

    And beat her till she had broken bones

    Did he? How is it that the hospital staff didn't report it to the cops?

    Some of these so called victims make Jeffrey Dahmer look like a saint



    That's what you would like to do. Turn the thug-in-chief into a victim. It's a well-known fact that Mendel was willing to screw people who were right, even in his own opinion, to thug them out for the get. He was going to teach the world a lesson!


    Nu, what is the now the lesson?


    How will his relationship with his children and grandchildren be from behind bars? How much will his incarceration mess up his grandchildren? Hashem yerachem


    How many of his victims - and there were many, many! - children and grandchildren suffered all sorts of psychological damage in result of his thuggery and "women are right 98% of the time"? What did Shmuel say to Agog?


    This must be hurtful to you. I feel for you. We cannot turn back the clock now and listen to Rav Elyashiv's pleas. We cannot turn back the clock on the damaged children. Truly heartbreaking and unfortunate.

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  6. Honesty, this horror story speaks for itself and therefore your added "comments" serve NO purpose other than to take delight in another Jew's downfall whether he deserved it or not, don't play God, if you can. Thanks.

    By the way, did you know that RAS approved the way Hersh had his son kidnapped and sent to a boot camp (a concentration camp is a better term) where they beat the kids and made them lie face down in the dirt til they "behaved" how come you don't condemn that as well while you wax so lyricle about what a "bad boy" Epstein was?

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  7. Moe, to paraphrase you (changes in italics): "Klal Yisroel is lucky the Hersh case & the Tropper case went public rather than have all the defendants plea bargain to an agreement. Now the horrors of this story is coming to public light (whereas with a plea agreement this stuff that went on behind closed doors would never have been made in public court and into the public record.) Now the world can know exactly what happened and how treif the Hersh & Tropper fiascos are.


    See, you have a double standard, while you are unable to call a spade a spade when it comes to your mentor RAS, you & Honesty act like those three proverbial monkeys who "see no evil, hear no evil, talk no evil" when it comes to what RAS has approved of, never mind the RSC case, just think of how he gave and still gives his personal HECHSHER to "kasher" Hersh & Tropper ad hayom hazeh. Rachmona litzlan.


    Yes, what I am pointing out is the hypocrisy of Moe and Honesty, as they plot their way to undermine this blog with their double talk, prattle and drivel:

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  8. Maybe he did.. but was was it proven? Epstein made big money out of this trade why trust him.

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  9. You seem to be quoting his phrases from close up first hand and first person while giving him cover at the same time, are you his wife or daughter? Since "Me's" has been put out of commission to stun Humans, maybe you find him a job in the UK, where friends of animals are looking for them to be stunned before the inhumane Shechita and Hallal. You see my friend, you could stun victims and still be called good friends, so 'may kol haraash'? These so called animal friends have their logic twisted, rather move a Bull of 5 tons by stunning with 5,000 Volts of electric shock for ROFL just a few minutes, than having it suffer from shechita and 'nechira' lingering away for a longer period of time. Trading short, is more of a Bal Batishe parnassa than let's say stunning family jewels "in certain places of it's body", which calls for 'uktsoso es kapov', Kappish?!

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  10. These women can't come forward to say the truth about there husbands cruel and sadistic behavior as they are afraid of the repocotions from the feds as each one would be investigated till mochiach comes . the feds checking if they hired a hired gun. To detain there Ariel Castro style hubby for a few minutes to extract will for a religious divorce from him

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  11. Wow, the thugs even beat people who weren't involved in a get dispute. This was a developing mafia that the feds broke up!

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  12. Just a few drops of truth serum from the ProdFathers prod, will make these so called Agunos sing loud and clear. What's good for the gander is good for the goose. BTW, for the same money we can compose a mamzer list as well. It won't take more than a few minutes to clear their throats and sing.

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  13. your added "comments" serve NO purpose

    Thank you for sharing your opinion with me.

    how come you don't condemn that

    how come you don't condemn that as well



    Dear beloved RaP - that is not the topic of conversation here. It may be in the continuous topic in the Circus's Tent. OK, Mr. Chaim Berlin Tragedy?

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  14. I agree laws of the USA have to be followed because we live here
    I'm just saying these guys are no saints. In every society the rules of the jungle prevail. Were justice has a new meaning. Like a guy who drives drunk hits a crowd of people on the sidewalk kills and ingures a few. People standing by will beat the drunk driver. The cops are not going to make a huge investigation who beat him. As he got a small amount of what he deserves. Same here what theseen got is nothing compared to what they did to there wife's.

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  15. These women can't come forward

    No, they can't. They wouldn't have any credibility either. You know it as well as we all do.

    to say the truth about there husbands cruel and sadistic behavior



    We know that these women paid big bucks in order to behave cruelly and sadistically towards their children's father. If they would be have been willing to invest that money into reaching an agreement with their ex, they would have been much, much better off! Oh, and they may have actually obtained a kosher get! And while they wouldn't get an emotional high from behaving cruelly and sadistically, they may have then been in a better place to raise their children properly!


    Don't worry, these cruel and sadistic women sell their silly fairy tales to all those

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  16. Speaking of sex slaves, while you're at it, it has also been going around at the time, that Get extractions have been exchanged for sexual favors from those so called deprived Agunos. As of now, it is unknown whether it happened for only 3 minutes or for hours long. Are those the pathetic Agunos you have been referring to as rendering his services for free? My dear, that is also not for free, it is called Bartering. There are no free lunches, get it? BTW, if these supposedly beaten Agunos adams ribs, where were they before contemplating ProdFather's services, why didn't they report the supposed violence to the police then? They must have had marks left to show the Police, and by now they could have been through with the investigations, and even have mochiach here by now. Hmmm... as a good piece of advice, better leave the fbi investigations Ahem... to him, namely Mr."Me's".

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  17. I agree with you. I hope the jury finds him innocent.

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  18. Suppose she is the ingured few, why hasn't she reported it to the Police, and get an order of protection till she can get her get. Get it?

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  19. @Goldie - do you always assume that the husband is evil? That anybody who helps women must be a tzadik but if they help men they must be evil?

    Instead of these unsubstantiated slanderous comments- please stick to the facts.

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  20. You put up a new site?

    http://flatbush1.blogspot.com/

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  21. Oh, they go for orders of protection. They all get thrown out of court. The lawyers at Sister-to-Sister advise them to make the false allegations to the cops.


    However, broken bones, rape and other big stuff always leave clear fingerprints. When they aren't present, they create huge credibility questions. In fact, it becomes absolutely probable that they are lying.

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  22. All you have to do is subpoena the former mrs teitlebaum and unquestionably others the prosecutor knows about.

    Just like he's not bringing other ex wife clients. Its all a joke. Things will be back to "normal".

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  23. Ho, ho, ho Honesty, your funniness and childishness and immature NASTINESS knows no bounds, does it?

    What Epstein did is 100% evil and is as bad as forcibly exiling a 16 year old scrawny Jewish kid to "Tranquility Bay" by a father guided by RAS (something you and Moe obviously approve of) and what you do is worse because you have a double standard, 'cause RAS = Epstein in this regard of approving of the use of FORCE to solve problems, what is known in simple English as hypocrisy!

    Circus Tent is VERY old news by now, not sure what you are trying to prove, from what anyone knows CBT spoke 100% truth there too, so cut out the cheap scare tactics, THEY WILL N O T WORK this time because you are not dealing with a scared schoolgirl who you want to "out" for some cowardly reason rather than keep debating logically based on facts and not on two-bit mickey mouse scare tactics.

    Sorry, but while the world has moved on, yet RAS (& RAF) still remains a Lo Tzayis Dina and Mesarev LedIn last anyone did a reality check buddy.

    See what no less than the Gadol HaDor and Posek HaDor Rav Moshe Feinstein ZT"L himself had to say IN WRITING on the subject, with or without CBT or you or me or Moe or anyone else you can conjure up:

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  24. You sound desperate! You KNOW you lost! Anyhow this one's for YOU, decide how much dirt you want to be dished on MANY people if you start with your smear tactics:

    My "official" response is:

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  25. RDE: This may be of interest to you:


    https://www.docketalarm.com/cases/New_Jersey_District_Court/3--14-cr-00287/USA_v._EPSTEIN_et_al/

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  26. Ho, ho, ho Honesty, your funniness and childishness and immature NASTINESS knows no bounds, does it?


    My sweet and dear RaPper;


    Please, kindly, get a grip. Find yourself a fun hobby.


    Do you envision yourself somehow as "memale mokom" for Rabbi Carlbach???? Please. Go to the appropriate threads or sites to gripe on, and on, and on, and on, and on.................. about your little petty complaints against rav Aarohn Schechter. On these threads dear RaPper, I may just ignore you. I still have only care and concern for you. You're a good man. (Therapy may work...)

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  27. You KNOW you lost!


    I actually laughed aloud for several minutes, dear Chaim Berlin Tragedy! What dirt are you dishing? BTW, is that the picture you chose?? Suits you well!
    A freilichen Purim!

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  28. Honesty, thanks for the compliments (and no thanks for the insults).

    No, I am only a simple blogger and nothing more and I try to be logical and base myself on facts and not avoid ugly truths.

    What happens between RSC versus RAS & RAF is between them and Shomayim and various Batei Din, but after almost 40 years it has created a big enough stink that it NEGATIVELY infects, impacts, infests, intrudes into, and informs, lots of other things that involve RAS who is VERY much a very active public personality who calls attention to himself all the time via bad PUBLIC cases such as SUPPORTING the tragic Hersh saga, the disgusting Tropper fiasco, Kranczer running from incest, the banning of the LIPA concert, support for Dodelson going to the press to humiliate the Feinsteins, making a stink and attacking a humble Sheitel Macher, and now recently "resigning" from the American Moetzes in defense of RSA...and on an on and on and on and on THAT goes...it is not "me" or "you" creating or generating the controversy it is RAS who is doing it all by himself to himself and as any fool can see.

    As for RSC he has long retired from public life and does not seek any attention for himself. He is hale and hearty and can be seen from time to time although he does not speak much to anyone, and he deports himself with great dignity and modesty and great TZNIUS for someone who has been thru so much in his long life. So no I am not a "memale makom" for him or anyone else and you can make all the fun you want but it does not change the facts on the ground that are very troubling as RAS has aged VERY ungracefully causing commotions all over the place as he gets older and refusing to "go quietly into the night" as that old saying goes.

    Even Rav Hutner, the mentor of RAS and so many, knew when to bow out and remove himself from the forefront altho he too could not resists opportunities to be controversial, and it does NOT have to be that way. It is NOT a "ma'aleh" to be the center of attention 24/7. We must ALL try to emulate HKB"H with being a Hatzneah Leches Im Hashem Elokecha!!

    After all, what is the job of a Rosh Yeshiva? To run around the world getting involved in anything he fancies to fight for, or should he concentrate on running his yeshiva, producing Talmidei Chachomim and avoiding ALL Machlokes and controversy?

    You and Moe did a great job defending Rabbi Elimelech Meisels and I give you credit for doing a tough and thankless job, but that is behind us now, yet you still act towards other posters and abuse them as if you were still "fighting to the death" to defend Rabbi Elimelech Meisels when that sordid chapter is behind us now. So you too continue to fight on and on and on and on in a way that does not suit you.

    Try to have MORE compassion and DERECH ERETZ for other poster's points of view. You do not have to cut to shreds anyone who you disagree with! You do not own this blog, let Rabbi Dr. Eidensohn do that he is more than capable of moderating comments and dealing with posters who have different views without the cut-throat tactics of you and Moe!

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  29. BEWARE and be warned my "friend" 'cause YOU & Moe are the best example on this blog so far of the TRAGEDY you speak of, in case you haven't noticed!

    Chag Purim Sameach!

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  30. RaP: I don't believe I've denigrated you. I've vociferously disagreed with you on some issues (and agree with you on others) and offered point-by-point rebuttals that you may have not liked, but did not personalize it. I'm not sure why you are waging a milchama against me. Nu, we disagree about some things.

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  31. zbeng you have a great sense of humor use it for good things. not defending cruel sadistic pigs.
    A few pointers how often does rape go unreported?
    how often does spousal abuse go unreported ?
    there are many ways to abuse a spouse physical and non physical, play mind games, control, verbal abuse etc.
    in a relationship there can be many forms of sexual violence and un wanted sexual pressure in forms of doing specific acts ? etc the area of rape in marriage can be very gray and hard to prove
    I agree there are harsh, nasty, horrible, women out there.
    even if the women is the problem in the marriage. once the marriage is over. its a huge form of abuse to hold her a captive just for revenge , hate and money , etc
    I know it might still be called mous olay and extracting a get with force would be a problem. however a husband who continues to hold her hostage is a cruel individual who usually does not love his kids, and just cares about revenge, not that his kids should have a normal life. a mench cuts his loses and moves on. a guy who raped his wife while they were married will hold his kids hostage as its all about "him"

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  32. My Purim advice to fellows out there is not to mess with the man with no name , namely RAP, since he is the fastest gun in Ashkenaz, and he has a 5 gallon shtreimel.

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  33. It's not what I'm seeing. It's what I know. I know Mr. T.
    Never been married. FACT.

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  34. If they (threatened to ) beat up nonexistent ex husbands, why wouldn't they beat up others?

    Which of course brings up the question: did they beat up people in private disputes?

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  35. My point remains: subpoena Mr C, and the former Mrs C.

    Or is the prosecutor neglecting his responsibility to prosecute Mrs C?

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  36. did they beat up people in other, private disputes?

    If you see the way R' Avraham Rubin and those who helped him were treated (mysterious fires, broken windows etc.) - your question is answered.

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  37. Goldie,

    Who made you, or Mendel, the decider of which woman is lying and which woman is telling the truth? Certainly not the money Mendel got paid, right? Certainly not his kangaroo "beth din" rulings in absentia, right?

    Did he advise women to lie? He most certainly did!

    I know it might still be called mous olay

    This is completely false. If a man did actually rape his wife, and a honest and true Beth Din finds her credible (through whichever honest and acceptable methods they have), then he does become responsible to give her a get.

    However, you purposely combined cases of where there was rape etc, with those of a woman simply saying "I can do better" or following her parents intervention etc.

    You also combined it with the majority of cases Mendel dealt with where he was attempting to help the woman vindictively destroy her kids in order to hurt the father of her kids.

    A mench cuts his thuggery and tells the mother to move on! He tells the mother that he will not work with her until the custody issues are settled appropriately, in the best interest of the children. Mendel did not have a care about the best interest of the kids.

    Mendel helped cruel, nasty, horrible women who only cared about revenge, and he knows it. So do you! A mother who holds her children hostage is a cruel individual who has a love-hate relationship with her kids. A man who facilitates her mistreatment of her kids, is a sadistic and repulsive thug to whom its all about "him".

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  38. Please don't get me wrong. My heart goes out for anyone in a marriage that
    is being abused, by either side. This case is about a strong man Thug with
    henchmen that invented a way to do business out of peoples misery outside of the
    Law of the Land and outside of Halacha haTfutsa beYisrael along with so
    called Rabbis, sharing the spoils. Most Gittin that die on the operating table
    is because of recalcitrant wives that do NOT follow due Process of HALACHA. It
    is Miuta deMiuta that husbands withold a Get for Spite. To prove that this gang
    of Thugs, Goons, Guns for hire are all in it JUST FOR THE MONEY and NOTHING
    ELSE, this STING has been set up and is now in midst of proving the case big
    time. The ProdFather took the bait, swallowed it hook line and sinker, and got
    STUNG with his hands caught in the cookie jar. The Virtual recalcitrant husband
    doesn't even exist, the money for the Kidnapping HAS been exchanged, and the
    machinery to process a Virtual Get has been activated Full Gears, Full Throttle
    forging ahead, condemning a poor nebby recalcitrant ham sandwich in absentia.
    After checking out the Boarding Pass found to be all in order, this flight
    had Peeping Rabbis on board and gave their consent and blessings to takeoff from
    the runway, flying sky high. Little did they know that the feds were aboard as
    well nsa-ing on this particular flight. The kangaroo beis din fell apart at it's
    seems, the cohort Goon Squad thugs submitted their pleas, and poor li'l Epstein
    is left caught holding the Bag. The Virtual Husband is nowhere to be found, he
    probably is hiding somewhere in chalomot beAspamya, and The ProdFather is having
    his day in court. Poof goes the SCAM and PONZIE scheme Cracking botim beYisrael,
    paining and beating Bnei Yisrael, making poor little children living Orphans
    R"L, and a stop to manufacturing mamzerim. If you do not realize this while it's
    happening in front of your eyes, you are beyond help! That is all I have to
    say.

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  39. Unfortunately, these alleged claims and false accusations are falling apart at it's seams day by day in the Kangaroo Beis Din "now you see and now you don't" of SheepsHead bay with multitasking addresses and Quark Rabbis. She also is in it, all for the money. The Stein vs Weiss fiasco. Adon Farkash will also have his day in Criminal court this coming MARCH-17, to be taught a lesson of what happens when you use brute force etc.

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  40. Dear RaP sweetheart,


    I already addressed and responded to all your RAS documents. See the older threads with that discussion between us.


    I have not ever and do not intend to out you. I have no reason to. I have no idea why you would think I've done any such thing.


    I have not defended Meisels. I defended the seminaries and the beis din in Eretz Yisroel. And I have not participated in the long ago discussions of Hersh, so do not attribute any viewpoint to me on that case. And regarding Tropper I always supported the Badatz in their fight against him.


    I don't know Honesty and have not collaborated with him. If our viewpoints agree, as they apparently do on various issues, that's wonderful.


    Love and Freiliche Purim!

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  41. Dear Mr. Chaim Berlin Tragedy,

    I hope you're able to relax and enjoy Purim.

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    As to your continuous and obsessive Prattling War against Rav Aahron Schechter, may he live and be well, there is not much more to say. It is not the topic of conversation on this thread/post. Each time you begin anew with a 2-3,000 word post, while ignoring the arguments and facts that were presented to you earlier.

    But with that came a very aggressive slash and burn approach to other posters you disagree with.

    LOL

    Mirror, sir?

    -------

    I would like to tell you and Honesty that I have already consulted with attorneys...

    Thank you for the Simchas Purim!!!

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    for trying to smear someone

    Ho so? In 25 words or less, how did I attempt to smear you?

    I have a fairly good idea who you both are as well

    First, are we the same person or two different people?

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    Why are you bringing up that case with the boy seven years later? I would hope that he is doing well now. Is it fair to him to mention him by name in order to further your obsessive internet battle with Rav Aahron Schechter? Please!

    Additionally, even if you disagree with the methods used by parents to "fix" their wayward son, it is an absolute disservice to everyone to compare it to Epstein. The father - albeit misguided - did it out of love and concern for his child. Epstein was a hired goon, payed to use brute force and extort.

    All I am asking of you and and Henesty is that: Don't you see that it would be far better for you both to remove yourselves from this discussion

    Actually, dear RaP, kindly heed your advice. So long that you see Rav Aahron Schechter in every discussion, please remove yourself until his name is actually mentioned in that discussion.

    Also, a little tolerance, please.

    launching frivolous law suits that were defended by the EFF and their attorneys and were thrown out of court.

    Please post the original documents. Thank you.

    once I launch my own case against you using the services of the EFF that defends the rights of bloggers to remain anonymous

    LOL

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  42. Dear Mr. Chaim Berlin Tragedy,

    I hope you're able to relax and enjoy Purim.

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    As to your continuous and obsessive Prattling War against Rav Aahron Schechter, may he live and be well, there is not much more to say. It is not the topic of conversation on this thread/post. Each time you begin anew with a 2-3,000 word post, while ignoring the arguments and facts that were presented to you earlier.

    But with that came a very aggressive slash and burn approach to other posters you disagree with.

    LOL

    Mirror, sir?

    -------

    I would like to tell you and Honesty that I have already consulted with attorneys...

    Thank you for the Simchas Purim!!!

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    for trying to smear someone

    Ho so? In 25 words or less, how did I attempt to smear you?

    I have a fairly good idea who you both are as well

    First, are we the same person or two different people?

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    Why are you bringing up that case with the boy seven years later? I would hope that he is doing well now. Is it fair to him to mention him by name in order to further your obsessive internet battle with Rav Aahron Schechter? Please!

    Additionally, even if you disagree with the methods used by parents to "fix" their wayward son, it is an absolute disservice to everyone to compare it to Epstein. The father - albeit misguided - did it out of love and concern for his child. Epstein was a hired goon, payed to use brute force and extort.

    All I am asking of you and and Henesty is that: Don't you see that it would be far better for you both to remove yourselves from this discussion

    Actually, dear RaP, kindly heed your advice. So long that you see Rav Aahron Schechter in every discussion, please remove yourself until his name is actually mentioned in that discussion.

    Also, a little tolerance, please.

    launching frivolous law suits that were defended by the EFF and their attorneys and were thrown out of court.

    Please post the original documents. Thank you.

    once I launch my own case against you using the services of the EFF that defends the rights of bloggers to remain anonymous

    LOL

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  43. By the way, very sloppy work, beating up an ex, in front of another person. The real people, the mafia, would never leave witnesses. Having to beat up a second person. This would never happen in satmar; they use professionals, the mafia.

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  44. Hi Moe and thanks for the good wishes! Rabbi Dr. Daniel Eidensohn the owner of this blog has proposed that we end this debate the way it is unraveling and spinning out of control and I agree with him 100%! He's the boss around here! Time to move on!

    One final thought in the spirit of Purim and Shushan Purim and Meshenichnas Adar Marbin Besimcha: Maybe there is something wrong with me, but whenever I hear you refer to me as your "brother" and "sweetheart" I get this flash of ""Darth Vader" trying to "embrace" his long-lost son ""Luke Skywalker" (if you are familiar with the "Star Wars" genre) and saying:

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  45. Hi Honest and thanks for the good wishes! Rabbi Dr. Daniel
    Eidensohn the owner of this blog has proposed that we end this debate
    the way it is unraveling and spinning out of control and I agree with
    him 100%!
    He's the boss around here! Time to move on!

    One
    final thought in the spirit of Purim and Shushan Purim and
    Meshenichnas Adar Marbin Besimcha: Maybe it's just my imagination, but whenever I hear you refer to me as your
    "Mr. CBT" and "Rapper" I get this flash of the multi-replicating ""Agent Smith" when stalking the underdog ""Thomas Anderson aka Neo" (if you are familiar with the "The Matrix" genre) and addressing him in pseudo-formality:

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  46. The obsessive, aggressive and vindictive bullying of RaP is now coming to an end..

    In any case FYI I have begun discussions with the EFF attorneys what we can do about you and misuse of my past blogger names of "Recipients and Publicity" and you are not going to like it

    LOL

    As Rabbi Eidensohn pointed out, the EFF would actually seek to protect my identity - not expose it! (Besides for the little "mistake" of you accusing me of "plagiarizing" your name. I don't value your angry, obsessive "clear logical facts" [sic] enough to want to plagiarize it. Oh yeah, BTW, if it's a fact, logic is irrelevant. And if you're invoking "clear logic", then you are obviously not dealing with facts - even though you would like it to seem that way.)

    I read this on the site you posted.
    https://www.eff.org/node/57998



    All I can say is, if you had anything to do with purposely slandering Mr. and Mrs. Hirsh, and going after their livelihood, I now do understand you. It takes a tremendous amount of depravity to go after the livelihood of people whom you don't like. Their "sin" was stupidly sending their kid to boot camp. How does that give you the right to fight an all-out, "bellow the belt" war with these parents??!!


    I now understand. A person who can proudly go so low, is obsessively in an angry and vicious attack-mode. Their guilt won't allow them to relax. And their haughtiness won't allow them to admit having made those horrible mistakes. So they remain in a perpetual state of agitation and anger. Yep, it's a lot easier to somehow blame Rav Aahron Schechter on your "life story" of non contentedness. .


    Dearest and sweetest Chaim Berlin Tragedy, AKA a clown from the Circus' Tent; you can seek to bully as much as you want. Rabbi Eidensohn has already indicated that he won't tolerate your frantical bullying and smearing anymore.


    I wish you only calmness, serenity and good mental-health. (Of course, it would help if you would seek to achieve that through the appropriate means.)
    Farewell!

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  47. Honesty, please do not speak for me, and no need to get hot under the collar. Also, please avoid historical outright revisionism (as known as telling lies) as a new way of putting the spin on terrible events of the past. I will not respond to you in any great depth, so have no fear, at this time because we are trying to bury the hatchets and not stoke the flames. But you need to be aware that this blog deals with subjects that do not make people comfortable, and it is no use making scapegoats out of other posters when it is Rabbi Dr. Daniel Eidensohn who sets the agendas on this blog and chooses the topics he wishes to explore and open up to deeper discussions, whether it is about Tropper, Hersh, Guma, Michael Freund, Dodelson, Meisels, Epstein, the Lubavitcher Rebbe or RAS, Dov Lipman or Yair Lapid -- neither you nor I have any control over what Rabbi Eidensohn chooses to post about and what are accepted as contributions on this blog, so quit blaming and "killing" the messenger because you hate the message.

    No one hurt Hersh but himself! He has himself to blame for his woes. Isaac Hersh, was a persecuted child of 16, just see how you overlook him and how you attack me as if "bloggers" are to blame for your troubles when all bloggers do is blog *about* the troubles, if they so choose, all based on news reports and using original documents. Similarly Tropper and Epstein only have themselves to blame. Sorry that you don't like the Circus Tent blog, or the Internet for that matter that allows people like you and me to have their say and let the world judge for itself what is "right" and "wrong" and not you or me acting as the "prosecutor/defender, jury, judge and executioner" but I know you will only denigrate me as you do ANY and ALL posters you disagree with.

    Don't count all your chickens until they hatch!

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