https://www.etzion.org.il/en/talmud/seder-nashim/massekhet-kiddushin/72b-mamzerim-messianic-age
Ramban (Nachmanides) and some other commentators claim that, with the arrival of the Mashiach (Messiah), there will be a Divinely authorized "pardon" of sorts for mamzerim. However, the prohibition will still be on the books, such that new mamzerim that will be created after that time will be prohibited from marrying into the Jewish community. Many other Rishonim (a name that refers to the early Rabbis of the era after the decline of Babylonia as the dominant center of the Jewish world; it includes scholars who lived approximately between the years 1000 and 1500 of the common era), including the Ran (Rabbenu Nissim), argue that even this is impossible. Rather, Rabbi Yossi means to say that Eliyahu ha-Navi (Elijah the Prophet), who according to tradition will accompany the Mashiach, will not disclose the identity of mamzerim who have integrated into the community, despite the fact that he will know the true status of each person's lineage. However, people recognized as mamzerim will still be prohibited from marrying into the community. This is a much less radical statement, because it does not posit a one-time suspension of halakha; even nowadays we do not uncover the identity of mamzerim who are not recognized as such and have integrated into the community (Gemara 71a, Shulchan Arukh EH 2:5, Rama).
With all the illegitimate Reformative divorce documents and all the OTD's who married proper but then split up and recoupled with others, do we even have a clue how many are out there?
ReplyDeleteDepends who moshiach is. Will he be a rosh yeshiva who follows shulchan aruch? Or a king and Navi who is able to reinterpret everything, as actually the Rambam says - ie each generation is able to reinterpret the halacha, mishnah etc
DeleteMany Poskim addressed this already. Without kosher eidim it's not a marriage. So no get required so no mamzer kids
DeleteIf David hamelech affair with Batsheva was kosher as per the rabbis, and hence the child was not illegitimate (mamzer), why was the child killed in punishment?
Delete1. To KA The "punishment" had nothing to do with any mamzer status.
Delete2. Source for this Ramban?
AI responded to the question of the source in Ramban
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While Ramban does not explicitly comment on mamzerim in the Messianic era within his Torah commentary, his broader teachings about redemption, divine justice, and societal rectification strongly suggest that such issues will be resolved. His focus on purification and universal perfection aligns with the Talmudic view that lineage issues will cease to exist during the Messianic age.
3. Universal Perfection in the Messianic Era: Ramban's commentary on Genesis 49:10, regarding the prophecy of Judah and the coming of Shiloh (the Messiah), emphasizes the universal perfection of the Messianic era. He sees this time as one in which all imperfections will be rectified, and the world will return to its ideal state as intended at creation. This would likely include resolving the status of mamzerim, as part of the general healing of societal and halachic challenges.
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Delete14 Howbeit, because by this deed thou hast greatly blasphemed the enemies of the LORD, the child also that is born unto thee shall surely die.'
The son dies because of tremendous chillul Hashem.
But where's the chillul Hashem if we are mistaken about David sinning?
Why should the child die if he's born from a proper Gett?