Tuesday, July 6, 2021

Chief rabbi: Better to live abroad than among secular Israelis

https://www.ynetnews.com/article/BkGcEvlT00 

 Israel's Sephardic Chief Rabbi Yitzhak Yosef has urged ultra-Orthodox Jews in the Diaspora not to move to Israel if it means living in a non-Haredi area with secular Israelis who would have a negative impact on their spiritual life.

Yosef made the comments during his weekly sermon on Saturday night while accompanied by Rabbi Haim Bitan, the visiting chief rabbi of the Tunisian island of Djerba.
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7 comments :

  1. Kalonymus HaQatanJuly 6, 2021 at 11:09 AM

    Despite halacha saying the exact opposite.

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  2. Daas TorahJuly 6, 2021 at 11:40 AM

    And who decided you are a posek?!
    Rav Moshe Rav Soloveitchik Rav Yaakov and many others disagree with you!

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  3. Kalonymus HaQatanJuly 6, 2021 at 12:27 PM

    Where does rambam disagree with my claim above?

    In hilchot melachim he says the opposite of r'Yosef jr.
    לְעוֹלָם יָדוּר אָדָם בְּאֶרֶץ יִשְׂרָאֵל אֲפִלּוּ בְּעִיר שֶׁרֻבָּהּ עַכּוּ''ם וְאַל יָדוּר בְּחוּצָה לָאָרֶץ וַאֲפִלּוּ בְּעִיר שֶׁרֻבָּהּ יִשְׂרָאֵל. שֶׁכָּל הַיּוֹצֵא לְחוּצָה לָאָרֶץ כְּאִלּוּ עוֹבֵד עֲבוֹדָה זָרָה. שֶׁנֶּאֱמַר (שמואל א כו יט) "כִּי גֵרְשׁוּנִי הַיּוֹם מֵהִסְתַּפֵּחַ בְּנַחֲלַת ה' לֵאמֹר לֵךְ עֲבֹד אֱלֹהִים אֲחֵרִים". וּבַפֻּרְעָנֻיּוֹת הוּא אוֹמֵר (יחזקאל יג ט) "וְאֶל אַדְמַת יִשְׂרָאֵל לֹא יָבֹאוּ". כְּשֵׁם שֶׁאָסוּר לָצֵאת מֵהָאָרֶץ לְחוּצָה לָאָרֶץ כָּךְ אָסוּר לָצֵאת מִבָּבֶל לִשְׁאָר הָאֲרָצוֹת. שֶׁנֶּאֱמַר (ירמיה כז כב) "בָּבֶלָה יוּבָאוּ וְשָׁמָּה יִהְיוּ":

    Unless you consider secular jews worse than akum?

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  4. Daas TorahJuly 6, 2021 at 12:51 PM

    Rambam does not list it as a mitzva

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  5. Kalonymus HaQatanJuly 6, 2021 at 12:51 PM

    The Gemara and Rambam refute his calculus.
    In any case, there are shuls in every town in Israel, isn't that enough?

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  6. Kalonymus HaQatanJuly 6, 2021 at 1:04 PM

    The question was not about living in Israel per se. He was alleging that it is preferable to live in chul in a frum environment than in a secular israeli environment.
    The Talmud addresses this question, and says the quality of Israel is better, even in a city of idol worshippers.
    This is the same Chief rabbi who declared fasting at the beginning of the pandemic, and was corrected by gedolim that it's assur to fast during a plague.

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  7. Daas TorahJuly 6, 2021 at 1:07 PM

    So if you really believe what you write - then I hope to see you soon in Israel!

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