Wednesday, August 13, 2025

Ascending the Temple Mount nowadays

 Temple Mount Akeida 

Bereishis (22:2) And he said, Take now your son, your only son Isaac, whom you love, and go to the land of Moriah (Temple Mount); and offer him there for a burnt offering upon one of the mountains which I will tell you.

Ascending the Temple Mount nowadays 

Igros Moshe (OH II:113) Question Why the Tur and the Shulchan Aruch do not mention that it is prohibited to spit today on the Temple mount? Answer: Iit is irrelevant since it is prohibited for those who are impure from the dead  (as everyone today has that status) to go there. In fact, however, there are places on the Temple mount that it is permitted for those impure from the dead to enter even according to Rabbinic prohibition. That is until the Chayel which is before the Soreg.  The Rambam writes that the Soreg encloses and possibly the Chayel encloses as is explained by Tosfos Yom Tov. That would mean it would be permitted from all sides even on the west, for those who are spiritually impure to enter up to the Soreg which is a number of amos wide. I couldn’t find the exact measure.  However according to the Rosh the Soreg is only on the east  from north to south it is possible that the Chayel is only there, if so then on the other sides after 10 amos of the Chayel behind  the Ezras Nashim it would be permitted. Also on the western side it would be permitted for the impure from the dead as well as other impurities since they can go to mikveh. If you are concerned for zivah they can count seven clean days and then tovel in a mikveh and after the sun sets they would be spiritually pure. Even if they didn’t bring a korban, they are allowed in the Ezras Nashim and surely on the rest of the Temple Mount as stated by the Rambam. .In conclusion we find that regarding the prohibition of spitting on the Temple Mount, those places where it is prohibited to spit it is also prohibited for the impure from the dead to enter Perhaps the problem is that it is not so clear which wall. If there is a clear tradition that it is the Western Wall of the Temple Mount or the Wall of the Ezara behind the Kapores then it would definitely be prohibited for the impure from the dead.  It is also possible that it is the lower wall which is prohibited even according to the Rosh.  I seem to recall that Rav Dovid Karliner was uncertain which wall. Perhaps this is the reason that they say about the Brisker Rav that he did not go to the Western Wall because of concerns for spiritual impurity. But I find that astounding! The place that Jews have prayed for many generations, obviously has a tradition from the ancient rabbis that it is permitted to go there – so how can anyone disagree with them?

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  1. Brisker and satumar Rav would refuse to go because it was liberated by Zionist army. Nothing to do with purity or halacha

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    1. Years ago there was a blog post (not mine) that explained why Moshiach doesn't come. It's so the Temple won't get rebuilt.
      Imagine that Moshiach shows up and the Muslims vacate the spot.
      Okay, now who gets to the build the Temple? Who will be in charge? Who will decide how to apply the various Gemaras in the construction and how sacrificies will be brought?
      (It won't be Lubavtich because when Moshiach turns out not to be The Rebbe(tm), they'll have a nervous breakdown and collapse)
      Imagine the fighting. Satmar will announce that it will take charge because, well, Satmar. Ger will announce it will take charge. No, Belz! Wait, the Agudah has the biggest council of Gedolim(tm)! And who let that guy with a kippah serugah from Machon HaMikdash into the room? Tumah! Get out Zionist!
      And that's why we don't go up to the Har Habayis.

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    2. In my view, moshiach will first teach frum people, including rabbis, what they've been doing wrong.
      I'm not convinced by simple explanations such as sinnas chinnom.
      It's going to be like Hezekiah, like Nehemiah, but fundamentally change how Judaism is understood, rather than just getting satmar, brisk, and kookniks to make peace.

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    3. One big problem is that too many authority figures have too much invested financially and politically to allow a unifying leader to emerge. Nechemiah and Ezra had a small, disorganized community with no notable central leadership when they showed up. Much easier.
      You think any big time rebbe with billions in the bank like Ger will simply doff his shreiml and pledge allegiance to a new guy who shows up and claims to be Moshiach? When he stands to lose all his power and control over his followers? Imagine Moshiach saying "Yeah, that hole in the bedsheet and never walking beside your wife in public? Where the hell did you get that from? Stop it right now!" He'd be overwhelmed by Gerrer thugs and beaten to within an inch of his life.
      Meanwhile the Lubavitchers would scream that Moshiach is an imposter because he's not The Rebbe(tm).
      And if Moshiach tries to meet with The Accursed Zionists or acknowledges the Dati Leumi community, Satmar and the NK will poison his tea.
      People say "Oh, but when Moshiach comes it'll be so obvious so no one will quesiton it." I'll remind them that the same people who witnessed the 10 plagues, the splitting of the sea, the defeat of Amalek and the revelation at Sinai stood there in Kadesh Barnea and cried that God suddenly wouldn't be able to bring them safely into Israel.

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    4. because he's not The Rebbe(tm)..
      Is that ™️ on the argument you just made?

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    5. When Hezekiah rededicated the Temple, he sent letters to all the Tribes. Most agreed to come, but some mocked him.
      If moshiach says, "sorry guys, you carried an error, the tzedukkim were right on x and y", what's going to happen?

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  2. Interesting piece, says Rav Elyashiv was in the committee that decided to make Yom yerushalyim a regular festive date on 28 iyyar.
    https://www.jewishpress.com/judaism/halacha-hashkafa/the-controversial-creation-of-yom-yerushalayim-a-day-in-transition/2024/05/30/
    Doesn't specify what his opinion was.

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    1. "On the committee" doesn't mean he approved.duh

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    2. If memory serves, the main reason he quit the Rabbanut is because he didn't like it when committees didn't agree with him.

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    3. The question was whether to establish a yom Yerushalyim on 28 iyar or on the Rosh chodesh Sivan when the ceasefire was declared (as suggested by Rav Yisraeli.)
      It doesn't specify what Rav Elyashiv voted for but I doubt that r zolty would oppose him)

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  3. Sometimes one has to look at the bigger picture.
    With all the division within our people, perhaps the RShO keeping the Muslims there is a message to us to get our act together before He'll let us approach Him there?

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    1. the 2nd Temple was destroyed - when the Jewish leadership was Chazal, tannaim. We are not on that level today. How can we rebuild the Beit Hamikdash?

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    2. My father, a"h, used to say that if Arafat, y"sh, had been smart, he'd have accepted the Oslo Accords sincerely and worked to build a peaceful Palestine. The lack of threat would've led Israelis to start killing each other in the street.

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    3. Before October 7th, what was happening in Israel, on Kaplan?

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    4. Look, Israel is in a uniquely difficult position.
      On one hand, the Left wants to maintain it as a judicial dictatorship like Iran except Israel's judges are secular leftists, not religious fanatic nutbars. They want this because they know they can't win an election anymore but still think only they can run the country properly. This has to be opposed in the name of democracy.
      On the other hand, the current government is corrupt and controlled by parasites, criminals and Kahanists. It's exactly the kind of government that a reasonable country wouldn't want.
      So who's better?

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    5. My point was that even without a peace, it was happening. Although you could argue that the Bibi establishment had the false notion that Gaza will be quiet, in which case it follows the pattern mentioned by your esteemed father.
      Regarding har habayit, Rav Goren has written in one of his books that the Yerushalmi especially commentary of the Gra says that there will be a temple before The moshiach, a precursor to the 3rd temple.
      And that we can build it.

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    6. I think Bibi forgot that the Arabs have patience and a long time frame. As Nasser, y"sh, used to say, it took the Arabs 200 years to defeat the Crusaders but they did. If it takes 200 years, we'll defeat Israel. So Bibi hoped that a few unsuccessful wars and the burden of governing Gaza would calm Hamas down. He also forgot that Hamas didn't have much of a burden of governing because all the importang civilian things like health and education were controlled by the UN.
      And Rav Goren was preceeded by Rav ZH Kalischer, zt"l, who outlines the proof from Tanach in his Derishas Tzion about how the physical Temple will come first and the fiery Temple everyone thinks is the actual one is just the spiritual infusion that will come down from Heaven when the time comes.

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    7. Rav Kalischer ztl is a great, almost neglected, gaon.

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    8. You're only a Gadol(tm) if you tow the party line. Torah learning has nothing to do with it.

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  4. Bibi? All zionistic inclined leadership & promoters from inception.
    eg There was a sephardi activist name Antebi in 1913, who early zionist pioneers tried to recruit on board but refused to join.He kept telling them their agenda clouds them & therefore they are unwilling to grasp hold of how Arabs work.
    You're coming round in essence to non/anti-zionist Yerushalmi contention retrospectively?

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