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"Yoel asked for proof the dayanim were real."
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These phantom dayanim seem to be Quarks known as the G-d particle that can be at two different places at the same time, no need to ride on gmalim haporchim ba'avir.
Such shlichus, even malochim cannot provide. The alleged Rabbi that went to Israel, while sitting there shiva, sat in as a dayan in mill basin as well. The only difficulty he had is how to compromise with the time difference. Does he hold the time mimakom sheyotso misham, or while in Rome do as the Romans?
As far as Abeles goes, as you stated:
"He probably isn't a dayan... he just happens to have the same name as the actualdayan. This proves nothing in particular."...since only the names are Quarks.
The only mystery that still remains is, where is the real Abeles dayan?
eLamdan • a day ago
"Video says exactly what the article said... two of three rabbis were there. What am I missing here?"Sechel for one, and plenty of it.
Some scientists are looking for a super Quark, one that can be at three different places at the same time. One entity can be a clown, buffoon and a fool at three different places at the same time. I think I just discovered one, and have the proof to show for it.
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Furthermore, if the Abeles that signed the Hazmonos and siruv as an alleged dayan, of which is NOT the Abeles that affirmed in the affidavit then he is not a Dayan and disassociated himself totally of having anything to do with this affair, we then have some questions.
1) Who IS the third Dayan?
2) IS there anyone that can affirm who he is?
3) What is his real name?
4) Was he present on 10th of Av?
5) Did anyone confirm his presence?
6) If not, why not?
7) Did anyone announce, inform, that he might NOT appear?
8) Did anyone announce that in lieu of Taub and Abeles (the supposed ben gilo Abeles) who WILL appear, and is just as well fully able to function and qualified in executing both, lifting the cherem and performing a Get.
9) If not, why not?
10) Mr. Weiss has the inalienable right to pose the condition of having the presence of the three alleged original dayanim, not so the Dayanim, they MUST be present and burden of proof is upon them to show in good faith that they CAN lift the alleged cherem. Less than that, it is nothing more then a moishav leitsim.
11) Why haven't we heard from this alleged Beis Din and alleged Dayonim the following day and after, that since Mr. Weiss did not appear on his appointed calendar day and designated time, therefore,... blah blah blah... and such and such, Huh? Just vanish without a trace? Less (beis) Din, veLess Dayan, veless AbeLess, velo klum. What happened to Taub? Orve Porach? Uporach lo ish haemes? This alleged Beis Din, was it castles made in sand or made of ice? So much for the 'forshpeiz'. I can go on and on, hazman yichle, veheim lo yichlu, vechaval al hazman!
Houston! They've got a problem. And lots of it.
And to you my friend adon lamdenLess and adon angemachts, you have no clue whether your coming or going. After all this, you have not presented even ONE fact, other than hypothesizing, throwing in a monkey wrench, questioning one question with another, such as "veyesh lehakshos bedoichek" something that you don't find in bechol chelkei hatorah, doubletalk, Dzsigan and Shumacher talk, without taking a stand or position one way or another. You just don't seem to get it. Al ken my friend, yofeh shtikosayich midiburayich, as the good book says, gam evil machrish - lechochom yechoshev. That is all I have to say.
Very well done. Tane ksil kevalto
ReplyDeleteVery foolish. Yoel asked for proof the dayanim were real. She brought them and he didn't show up to verify. That is not her fault. The affadavit could be a lie...anyone can sign an affadavit that says anything. Actual live dayanim are far better proof than some affadavit. The fact that yoel didn't meet them is his fault. Everyone else that was present attests to the fact they were there.
ReplyDeleteWho is your everyone else? Rabbi Lichter said they weren't there, in fact they took a picture of him and labeled him as one of those Rabbanim. So who is your everyone? Rivky(a proven liar) and her brother?
ReplyDeleteAs you see from the video evidence, he had representatives of his go to the shul. And they saw for themselves that none of the original so-called dayanim were there.
ReplyDeleteNot to mention that he called them himself and they told him over the phone that the original three so-called dayanim weren't there. Two were supposedly stuck in traffic, he was told, while the other supposed dayan was in Israel.
Exactly. Two were stuck in traffic and one in Israel. The two in traffic later showed as evidenced by the other video in which the guy with the beard stated that Goodman and Abales had arrived and were interviewed by media but did not want their pictures taken.
ReplyDeleteWhat media interviewed them? Why was Rabbi Licther called Rabbi Goodman in the New York Papers? Show me video of them there!!! News cameras were running why is there no video of them?
ReplyDeleteJust to strengthen what you're saying. Rabbi Lichter said that he had explicitly asked them his picture not be taken - but, they took it anyway. Now please, why wouldn't they then have taken the picture of these actual supposed dayonim??!
ReplyDeletethey have learnt, who gave them Smicha if at all, where they got their "bekius Betiv Gittin veKidushin" as well as experience, where they ever functioned in prior as Yoshvin al haModin beYoyreh Yoyreh, Yodin Yodin, Beinyonei Gittin veKidushin
ReplyDeleteHaven't you heard? The HaGaon HaGadol HaDor Elamdan has pronounced that this is totally unnecessary for the Dayyanim. You can run a black marker through that Beit Shmuel, through that Taz, through that Shevut Yitzhak as well as through that Pitchei Teshuva.
According to the Gadol, so long as the sofer knows the intricate details that go into writing the actual document, the rest can be dispensed with. You see the Mechaber only wrote all those other intricate and complex halakhot because, lacking blogs and other such forms of entertainment, he was bored... So scratching out a bunch of unnecessary halakhot gave him something to do to pass the time.
Ever since of course various Rabbanim, Rabbinical courts and Smicha programs have been confused, and actually required their would be Dayyanim to learn all that unnecessary information. Lucky for us in our generation, we have HaGaon Elamdan to set us straight at long last.
Here
ReplyDeleteis one creative way of explaining away of "everyone else". Rabbi Goodman while
pointing to Rabbi L. started counting thusly.
Me
and you are two. You and me are already four, rofl. Now YOU repeat just the
same, we already = 8. If we perform this shpiel in front of a mirror, we already
have sixteen and going strong with no sweat. If you put another mirror on the
perpendicular side, 'ke'en mechze el mechze', it becomes virtual reality keheref
ayin, much faster than you can say in Aramaic 'abra cadabra' ( translation =
ivra - I create, kidabra - as I talk. Hence, when you then look into either side
of the mirror, you can see "EVERYONE ELSE" ad infinitum - v'ad v'ad bichlall.
Imagine, 2 X Infinity! Having counted them all, the two of us, you and me and me
and you as well as I and myself, even if we leave, 'could' still be left with
"kekochvei hashamayim ukechol hayam velo yochlu lispor, ki ein mispor" all the
while going on with the show. That can possibly account for those that want to
be motsi la"az al haGet that those roeh veno nireh'nikes ra bonim were NOT
there, and Nowhere to be seen. All you had to do is "look" in the right places
for the men in the mirror, vehoyo einecho ro'os et morecho.
The
problem only arises, how can such a small shtiebel contain so many people??? As
Mr. e-lamden 'could' and would surely say, hmmm...not a problem... "it could
be", 'zu achat min hamekomot shehichzik miut et hamrubah'. You could still go
there Now and see all those people captured in the mirror frozen in time forever
after, just like the Goilem miPrague on the Boydem of the Altneu Schul. Veim
tirtsu, ein zu Agadah. And so it goes.
As I've said many times... it doesn't matter if it is a court made up of actual kangaroos. 1. He got a hazmanah (as he admitted in audio recordings) and he ignored it - violation of halacha. 2. He is supposed to propose an alternate beis din - he didn't 3. If she does not like his beis din they go to zabla. This is the proper halachic method. In case you did not realize there is not a centralized court system nowadays. Therefore, any three Rabbis can make up a court. We have the zabla process to allow each side to participate in the creation of the court.
ReplyDeleteThe fact that we have now verified that Farkash exists and states that he is the manager of the beis din actually helps Rivky. She selected a beis din and did what she was supposed to. The beis din can be made up of total idiots... she might not even know the Rabbis because she just met the safra d'dayni for all we know. Great... now we have a halachic process in which Yoel is supposed to respond either with a Get or with a Beis Din of his own. Stop the nonsense and let's do that.
Stop the sheker, eLamdan. He DID respond to it in order to propose an alternate (i.e. REAL) Beis Din. And they never acknowledged his response. They just created a fake "siruv" for a PR purposes. And a fake psak/ruling that is halachicly impossible to issue in absentia they nevertheless supposedly issued.
ReplyDeleteNow they may have not acknowledged that he responded to the hazmana since they supposedly made a "typo" with the wrong address. But he had no way of knowing almost a year ago that this so-called beis din gave him an incorrect address to respond to.
@elamndan - where in shulchan Aruch does it say that one must respond to a beis din of kangaroos names of non-rabbis used without permission? Farkash exists but he is not the manger of a beis din but rather a Potemkin Village. He made up the beis din from names of non-rabbis he used without their permission.
ReplyDeleteIt doesn't matter even if you repeat yourself till you become red in the
ReplyDeleteface. A kangaroo BD is maaseh kof bealma at best, not to mention Dayonim
mumchim, let alone baki betiv Gittin veKidushin. Hazmanh milsa hi, and it is
part and parcel of BD protocol, a letter of communication. If the BD has no
address, has Phantom dayonim bnei bli shem, bnei bliyaal, no one to communicate
to confirm anything, no shliach BD to verify anything, it is either a
1) BD of inshei delo maalei,
2) BD chotzif,
3) BD of Baboons, Bufoons, and Clowns or all of the aforementioned, an
'Oroiv' BD of chayes ro'os
4) BD of moshav leitsim,
5) BD nonfunctional,
6) BD nonexistent,
7) BD divrei Bela ben Beor aka Bilam ben Beor or both,
8) BD kardom lachpor bo,
9) BD Istatis,
10) BD Mateh mishpot,
11) BD Makir ponim,
12) BD korosi, ve'ein oneh, or BD all of the above.
If it is a BD that is not reachable, tangible, then there is no more of
a Nistatmi ta'anoisov yoiser mizu. It is a BD of Oholei Keidor on the move and
on the run, kind of Asoro galuyot niglu BD, hayom kaan, umochor beBa'an,
vayivrach - Kodoish, now you see and now you don't. Ein BD pochos mishlosho, and
you cannot have a one man band, being a Sofer Umoinin es Yisrael, ed, dayan,
judge, jury and executioner at the same time. Not even a Quark can perform such.
Having all that,
1) No moving violation of halacha here,
2) Therefore, no need to propose an alternate anything, indeed, it is her burden to initiate, and his choice to agree / disagree,
provided all else is legit.
3) Rebi lo shono, R' Chiya mino lan, if he doesn't initiate, she has
nothing to dislike. No Zabla, and no Blah blah.
In case YOU didn't realize, not just ANY three people can make up a
court. They have to be dayonim mumchim, baki betiv gittin vekidushin, proof of
smicha, must exist as a separate entity, must be three distinct in count, having
a name, a designated place with a distinct address sitting in all at the same
time, same place, bemoshav tlasa kechode havina, not a yoshev shiva beshiva
drachim, not a yoshvei kronois, not a moshav leitsim, velo me'ever layom, velo
bashamayim, v'gam lo bederech lo derech stuck in traffic. Less than that, less
din veless dayan.
The fact that we have now verified that Farkash is a criminal thug GVAR
ALIM, only ruins R's reputation associating with such. Al toshes yodcho im
rosho, this is basics. It was HIS call and his shot that he wants the original
three guys that allegedly drafted a hazmana, siruv, and put him in cherem, so
that they should be able to proceed with the Get.
As you just said, "We have the zabla process to allow
each side to participate in the creation of the court." And
this was Yoel's part of his ZABLA BLAH per request, as well as R's alleged
original request. 'Pray tell', have you lost your marbles? What am I missing?
You keep on jumping all over the place, to either side dynamically, namely Yoel,
then to R's as your punches hit you back in your face like a boomerang. After
all this, you still memashesh keiver batsohroyim, "for all we know",
HUH?
However, to her detriment, she selected a BD, she was not supposed
to. Applying chochmat Shlomo, nisgaleh klonah berabim, that all her idiots were
fake, fraud and phoney baloney.
Question:
If she does not even know the rabbis, since she just met the Safra
D'dayna, where is your alleged so called Z"ABLA, for all we know it is nothing
other than BLAHBLAH BLAHBLAH BLAHBLAH and ABRA CADABRA, fershsteista? These
kangaroo ghostly phantom quark idiots, for all we know are marbitz glollim
vezavla.
"For all WE know", uvikholom al techad es kvodi, why do you include us
all in your ' we know '? No, "we" don't know. And if you still don't have your
facts straight, it's time to throw in the towel. Great...stop the nonsense, and
get a life. Why don't you do just that.
her bais din, his bais din, kangaroo bais din, back and forth....its mind boggling.
ReplyDelete2 simple question: The husband wants a divorce, the wife wants a divorce,,,,
1) Why will he not just give her a get?
(is he using the get to "get" want he wants? i.e. she should cease and desist her legal claims against him? if so, this sounds pretty slimy and i am surprised ANYONE especially the baal hablog would support this use of the get for leverage,.....JUST HORRIBLE)
2) Is there a halachic requirement to have a bais din? just hand over the get!! no? or send it with a shaliach.
(is he using the get to "get" want he wants? i.e. she should cease and desist her legal claims against him? if so, this sounds pretty slimy and i am surprised ANYONE especially the baal hablog would support this use of the get for leverage,.....JUST HORRIBLE)
ReplyDeleteYou mean to say that waiting(as is prescribed in halakha) until other issues are settled, and she drops a frivilous and fraudulent $480mil lawsuit is slimy? We need to work on your definition of slimy.
2) Is there a halachic requirement to have a bais din? just hand over the get!! no? or send it with a shaliach.
Yes there is a halakhic requirement. See EV"H 49:3 and the Tur C"M 1.
1) Normative halachic process is that a Get is given as the final act in settling all outstanding divorce issues. This case has not even come close to reaching that point yet.
ReplyDelete2) Yes, there IS a halachic requirement to use a bais din for all divorce related disputes.
Uksil
ReplyDeletelo yavin es zos. Mi baal dvorim yigash elehem. She wants to extort money from
him shelo kedin. He wants his visitation rights, and rightfully so. She tries to
play tricks by putting up front a make believe BD thereby diminishing his
rights, and then slip through only with a Get, bypassing protocol. Hoya lo
sihye. Who said where there is smoke there is fire? This is all smoke and
mirrors, and the wind turned it 180, right back into her face. Yoel did not take
the bait, nor the hook line and sinker from this stinker. Yoel, therefore
declared, he wants up front the original BD only, so that they can lift the
alleged smoke and mirror CHEREM CHAMOR, of which originated from HER BD, adopted
it to HIS BD, thereby lifting the Vail of this bluff bliff mebulefet, and she
can no more make believe with a SWITCHAROO BD that he was mesarev ladin all over
again by presenting the PANIM CHADOSOS BD bou leka'an sheposhtim tlofov
kechazir, you see I am Kosher and Yoel kivyachol still refuses. Having done so,
all came out for the world to see in front of the news and in front of the
cameras. After this whole purim shpiel, there was left no more doubt in anyone's
mind, no more smoke, and no more mirrors, that this scam was a total failure. Ma
osoh Hk'B'Hu, They caught the Baal Hasimche asher beshem Yisrael yechune
b'Maaseh Shuol (tr = Farkash) with one of his mishlei shuolim mechablim
bakromim, veoseh maaseh zimri veod mevakesh schar kePinchas. Veal kazeh ne'emar,
sof ganav letliyah. There is no more a shliach lehylocho or shliach lekabolo for
a Get, unless they both made it crystal clear that all issues amongst them have
been resolved. Else, it is either becherem derabenu gershom, or a get meuseh. So
there you have it.
1) if that is normative, then that means that a man can use the get as leverage over his wife in a dispute. which is sickening....and really the reason WHY we have this widespread problem of agunahs.....this needs to change. give the get and then work out the "issues!"
ReplyDelete2) "entitled" to a get? what does that even mean?
Rivky Stein/Weiss is not an Agunah because of her husband. She is a self made an agunah. Most agunas today are self made as they don't want to settle with the husband amicably and therefore their only recourse is to withhold the Get. According to the torah the Get is not given on demand. The wife has to prove that the husband is not providing her with her needs etc.
ReplyDelete1) Take your complaints up with G-d. He set the rules. Only He can can change them.
ReplyDelete2) That means if someone wants to quit a marriage while their spouse does not, the quitter wannabe has no halachic/legal right to quit against the spouses wishes. IOW, there is no divorce-on-demand and/or involuntary no-fault divorce in Torah Judaism.
Great
ReplyDeleteand many Thanks to Reb Doniel Eidinsohn and his Brother Reb Dovid, a gut
bebenscht Yohr to us all!
There
is nothing "leveraging" about having to settle all outstanding issues before
ending with Get Krissus. It is the Get that is KOIRES. That is PROTOCOL
mideoraysa. It is of no more leverage as the protocol of paying before you
purchase. Sorry, this is not a bargain sale, kind of offer as buy now, and pay
later. If as you say, you "DISENFRANCHISE" the husband of everything, his
rights, his children, his lifetime toil of sweat 'n blood, his name, his Soul,
his Integrity, and the TORAH says, first thing's first, Law & Order. It has
absolutely nothing to do with leveraging, options, futures, witholding or
anything else. Imagine, if otherwise, he can just go 'fayfen' and wrongfully so.
As for now, that is the only Torah we have. If you want to change things, put in
a request as Bnos Tselofchod, and Not , EPSTEIN & WOLMARK, ORA / FARKASH
around. See what happened to them ALL. Sof ganav letliyeh! Great and many
Thanks to Reb Doniel Eidinsohn and his Brother Reb Dovid, a gut bebenscht Yohr
to us all!
Bulletin
ReplyDeleteUpdate: READ ALL ABOUT IT
To e-Lamdan
v'ei-Efshar leyashev afilu bedoichak, 'hear ya hear ya', Time to FESS up! Time
to throw in the towel. Finito laComedia!
Mimochras
Yom haKipurim, uMimochras haShabbos DAVID ABELES ba la'ir. We have been counting
Sfira for shmoinim yoim and still going strong.
Since
the alleged Dayan David Abeles is BACK from Israel, Where is the alleged Beis
Din, ayeh haDayonim, veayeh haCherem, ayeh haSiruv, veayeh haFarkash, ayeh haManager, veayeh
haCo-ordinator, ayeh haSofer, veayeh
haReporters, ayeh haTraffic, veayeh haShivah, ayeh haShul, veayeh haShul's
Address, ayeh haCircus, "and where are the clowns", Huh? Adon e-Lamdan, Ayeko?
Where are you now when Rivky S. needs you most? Why doesn't the Three Ring
Piccadilly Circus reconvene? Rivky S. wants a Get, Mr. Weiss is willing to give,
so what's the problem? Am I missing something. Ayeh "hoAgunah", Huh?
If
you know something, please say something. Louder please, can't hear you.
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Al
ken, Shimu na raBoisay, Dayonim mumchim, ein kaan lo Agunah, velo Cherem velo
Shamta, lo nidui velo siruv, lo batiach velo Batata, lo haya velo nivra, lo
Dubim velo Yaar velo klum.
Avol
yesh kaan Shuolim Shuolim mechablim bakromim, OngeFressener Shor haNiskal Farkash vesiyato & Co.,
Bnei Odom yoshvei choishech v'oid yeshev baSeiser, ze kaporoseinu, ze chalifoseinu,
veze tmuroseinu, ze hashuol yeilech lechol haruchot veod yeshev beRikers, veod
eich, heimoh koru venofolu, va'anachnu kamnu vanisoidod, veyomar letsoroisenu
day. My friend alleged self proclaimed "Lamdan", time to FESS up and Time to
throw in the Towel. Finito laComedia.