Avos Derav Nosson (36:5) These seven have no share in the World to Come: the scribe, the schoolteacher, the best doctors, the city judge, the magician, the sexton, and the butcher.
Shabbos (139a) It was taught. R. Jose b. Elisha said: If you see a generation overwhelmed by many troubles, go forth and examine the judges of Israel, for all retribution that comes to the world comes only on account of the Judges of Israel, as it is said, Hear this, I pray you ye heads of the house of Jacob, and rulers of the house of Israel, that abhor judgment, and pervert all equity. They build up Zion with blood and Jerusalem with iniquity. The heads thereof judge for reward, and the priests thereof teach for hire, and the prophets thereof divine for money; yet will they lean upon the Lord, etc
Kiddushin (82a) The best of doctors are destined for gehenna, and the worthiest of butchers is amalek's partner
Rashi (Kiddushin 82a) 'The best of doctors are destined for gehenna' - They do not fear disease. They eat the food of the healthy, and they do not act humbly before God. Sometimes they kill, and sometimes they are able to heal a poor person but do not do so.
Sheailas Yaavetz (# 71) This that you view the statement in Avos DeRabbi Nosson as difficult as smoke in the eyes or vinegar to the teeth since it says that a person who renders judgements and decides halacha has no Olam Habah. I have previously explained this in my commentary to the Talmud. It simply means that these seven have no Olam Habah only when they don’t do their jobs properly, which in fact most of them do in fact act properly.
Kiddushin (82a) The best of doctors are destined for gehenna,....
ReplyDeleteSo is this why Rav Moshe says it's not a profession to enter into?
No! He explains in great detail the reasons he is opposed to medicine as a career
DeleteHe argues that it doesn't conform to the definition of vocation in Hovot halevavot.
DeleteAnd that yeshiva students should not be drawn to prestigious jobs.
But perhaps this Gemara peovides the meta rule. albeit not cited
Nope! He doesn't say whay you claim.
DeleteHe doesn't claim that because Medicine doesn't fit the advce of the Chovas Halevavos one should not become a doctor. He is saying only that the Chovas Halevavos is not the reason why a person should become a doctor.
He also doesn't say to avoid prestigious jobs only that prestige and wealth should not be the main factors in choosing a job
There is some fine distinction here
DeleteHe says chovot definition doesn't apply because people are not naturally attracted to the field, rather they want fame and fortune.
And also because the world wasn't created with disease. So medicine isn't an original profession.
Man wasn't created with clothes either, so one should not become a tailor.
> He explains in great detail the reasons he is opposed to medicine as a career
DeleteAnd then came the day he needed a pacemaker...
Shabbos (139a) It was taught. R. Jose b. Elisha said: If you see a generation overwhelmed by many troubles, go forth and examine the judges of Israel, for all retribution that comes to the world comes only on account of the Judges of Israel..
ReplyDeleteIs this Gemara taking responsibility for the churban 2.0?
Ie were the rabbis of the time ultimately responsible?
In other places they do take responsiblity. They didn't respect Torah enough. They didn't respect each other enough.
DeleteThat's the difference between Chazal and The Gedolim(tm). Chazal looked at tragedy and said they were responsible. The Gedolim(tm) blame the Chilonim, the RZ's, anyone but themselves.
Maybe what we know about Chazal is also distorted by the Gedolim™️
DeleteWell then good thing they left so much writing behind so we can learn from them ourselves.
DeleteProblem is we need the Gedolim to tell us what the talmud is saying
DeleteTo quote our blogmaster: Nope!
DeleteI was pointing out the irony.
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