https://halachipedia.com/index.php?title=Interactions_with_Non-Religious_Jews#cite_note-8
Rav Elyashiv's opinion was that there is a doubt whether they are a tinok shenishba or not and we're strict for both possibilities.[7]
Rav Moshe Feinstein held that we can't apply tinok shenishba status to someone who lived near an Orthodox community and was aware of religious Jews. However, Jews who didn't know of religious Jews can be considered tinokot shenishbau.[8]
Rav Ovadia Yosef held similarly that it depends on whether they were familiar with a Torah community. In practice that could mean non-religious Israelis and "in town" Americans are not considered tinokot shenishbau.[9]
I've met lots of Jews who live near Orthodox Jews and shuls and are still clueless
ReplyDeleteInteresting. There's a psak by Rav Moshe about a ger through conservative, that he allowed because the convert didn't know anything better. Presumably that was somewhere where there were no orthodox?
ReplyDeleteWhere is that psak?
Deletehttps://www.torahmusings.com/2014/01/open-orthodoxy-rav-moshe-and-the-importance-of-being-earnest/#:~:text=As%20for%20his%20rulings%2C%20Rav,Orthodox%27s%20powers%20to%20officiate%20weddings.
Maybe this
DeleteUnless i misunderstood!
https://daattorah.blogspot.com/2008/04/r-moshe-feinstein-ztl-validating.html?m=1
Is converting amongst gentiles referring to conservative?
KA you totally misunderstood that tshuva.
DeleteObviously.
DeleteBut which conversions is he referring to that are still valid, (even though they serve idols)?
It's not clear which modern conversions he compares to the ones in Gemara.
And yet I recall the Conservative rabbi who ran the synagogue I grew up in telling me that he was aware that the local big community Beis Din rejected non-Orthodox converts except the ones trained by him because he made a serious effort to teach them about all of Judaism.
DeleteIt seems Rav Moshe is saying that Conservative conversions are treif l'chatchila.
DeleteHe then refers to conversions where the candidates do not accept all the mitzvot, and argues they may be valid, as there is a gemara which allows those who self convert but worship idols.
But he doesn't specify , only saying that some orthodox rabbis accept them. But what does it mean, accept them? Accept their own administered conversions or those carried out by not so orthodox ministers?