We have been discussing Rav Moshe's view that medical tests could be a violation of Devarim (18:13)
Others seem to limit that to avoiding astrologers or diviners. The Netziv and others say it only applies when there are prophets that are available. The Shulchan Aruch says the problem it means searching for indications of the future such as asking an astrologer but there is no problem utilizing the information if you overhear it
Aside from medical tests there is the question of insurance which Rav Moshe permits as a business deal. What about Social Security or eating healthy food? |Should smoking cigarettes be a concern or vaping? Some say using a doctor at all is also a problem.
Rav Noach Weinberg told me that utilizing sear belts and vaccinations show lack of bitachon. Others say being concerned with air raid sirens is a lack of bitachon. or even following elementary rules such as stopping for a red light or wear a reflector when walking down a dark road or signaling when turning
Interestingly the biggest concern we have with the future is what we call chinuch. Nobody I know would send their child to public school or a coed school or college or medical school saying "Whatever G-d wants will happen. Similarly everyone is concerned with who are your child's friends and who he/she associates with
Similarly with shidduchim no one says my child will marry the first person proposed and I will not check out who they are. Rav Moshe does caution about too much instigation. No one forms a business deal or invests money or buys a house without doing investigation regarding the future.
In sum, there are those who say that everything that happens is because G-d makes it happen and you simply must view everything as a direct consequence of G-d's Will. Others say that man is a required participant and must do whatever hishtadus he can and G-d does the rest
Yes, I know this will sound harsh but saying "Rav Noach Weinberg told me that utilizing sear belts and vaccinations show lack of bitachon" is just plain stupid. Sorry, it just is.
ReplyDeleteHere's the problem with Daas Torah Frumkeit. Any idiot knows you use cutlery to eat a meal. Only a UO needs a posek to tell him it's not Chukas Akum and it's okay to use a spoon to eat soup.
Chareidim are very dangerous drivers.
DeleteRemember this in Devarim 19
וְזֶה֙ דְּבַ֣ר הָרֹצֵ֔חַ אֲשֶׁר־יָנ֥וּס שָׁ֖מָּה וָחָ֑י אֲשֶׁ֨ר יַכֶּ֤ה אֶת־רֵעֵ֙הוּ֙ בִּבְלִי־דַ֔עַת וְה֛וּא לֹא־שֹׂנֵ֥א ל֖וֹ מִתְּמֹ֥ל שִׁלְשֹֽׁם
Accidents happen despite the bitachon in books they use at Aish.
Sorry but someone who has a different understanding than you is not saying something stupid He obviously disagreed with your view of Yiddishkeit
DeleteDo you think these rabbis have the ability to measure every single statement in the Tanakh, and Talmud as a possible key to the problem before making a comment like that?
DeleteI don't think that's humanly possible.
In the case of the maakeh, parapet, in Devarim 22
ReplyDeleteכִּ֤י תִבְנֶה֙ בַּ֣יִת חָדָ֔שׁ וְעָשִׂ֥יתָ מַעֲקֶ֖ה לְגַגֶּ֑ךָ וְלֹֽא־תָשִׂ֤ים דָּמִים֙ בְּבֵיתֶ֔ךָ כִּֽי־יִפֹּ֥ל הַנֹּפֵ֖ל
One of the commentators interprets
Ki yipol hanofel, if the faller falls as being deterministic, ie he's going to fall anyway.
So why does the Torah require us to build a parapet? Lack of bitachon?