Tuesday, May 6, 2025

Respirator or feeding tube for seriously ill to lessen pain but not cure

 Respirator for seriously ill to lessen pain but not cure

Igros Moshe (Choshen Mishpat II #74.3) Question: A critically ill patient who can not be cured and can not breathe should he be given oxygen? Answer : Yes he should be given oxygen since this reduces his suffering. . 

 Feeding Tube for seriously ill to lessen pain but not cure

Igros Moshe (Choshen Mishpat II #74.3) Question: A patient who can not be cured and can not eat should he be given a feeding tube which is dangerous but could prolong his life of pain? Answer It is clear and obvious that he should be fed things that don’t harm him or make his condition worse.and that will definitely strengthen him even if he is not bothered by the lack of food. However he should not be fed against his wishes and a doctor decides what he should eat. If it is a sick child his parents or relatives need to decide for him. He should nevertheless be encouraged to obey the doctor

9 comments :

  1. Once DAS is approved in the regional entity, pretty much everything else flows [refuseniks excepted] downstream from there.
    At what point should a doctor no longer be trusted for
    other decisions as well?

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  2. Is bleeding horseshoe crabs for medical research = ever min hachai?

    https://www.npr.org/2023/06/10/1180761446/coastal-biomedical-labs-are-bleeding-more-horseshoe-crabs-with-little-accountabi

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  3. Senying nutrition to a patient not capable of feeding himself is considered murder and or torture per according to Rav Dovid F.

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  4. Multiple studies now show the futility of feeding tubes in terminally ill and demented patients. They don't prolong life, they don't reduce suffering and in some cases they increase it.

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    1. Wow so you recommend starving them? Or perhaps the feeding tube should be used sooner or that feeding tubes are no more effective than intravenus feeding? Or that the food they use is unhealthy with too much sugar ultraprocessed and too much salt?
      How is it determined that it doesn't reduce suffering have you ever been hungry?

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    2. Garnel IronheartMay 7, 2025 at 4:25 PM

      Your comment reminds me of the old saying, "It's better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to open your mouth and remove all doubt"
      chrome-extension://efaidnbmnnnibpcajpcglclefindmkaj/https://www.mackenziehealth.ca/patients-visitors/family-support/ethics-support/feeding-options-brochure.pdf
      https://choosingwiselycanada.org/pamphlet/feeding-tubes-for-people-with-alzheimers-disease/
      https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC6942829/

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    3. Me thinks blogmaster deleted the wrong comment of yours

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    4. Garnel you didn't answer my questions just showed you can use google

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    5. Garnel IronheartMay 7, 2025 at 7:26 PM

      1) No, starvation is not recommended but force feeding through a tube does not lead to improved function, health or longevity so encouraging fluids including liquid nutrition is the current guideline. Starvation is both objective and subjective. A hungry person eats. If they don't feel hunger, getting them to eat is actually discomforting.
      As for iv feeding, that is almost never done. IV hydration, on the other hand, is quite common and improves patient comfort.

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