With allegations of communal cover-ups involving child sexual abuse dogging the haredi community over the past several years, it may not be much of a stretch for some readers to believe a gruesome story that appears in a new memoir about growing up in, and leaving, the Satmar community.
The story, recounted by Deborah Feldman in “Unorthodox: The Scandalous Rejection of My Hasidic Roots” (Simon and Schuster), involves the alleged mutilation and murder of a boy by his own father — supposedly for masturbating — and the subsequent cover-up of the crime by Hatzolah, the community’s volunteer ambulance service.
The only problem, however, is that based on information obtained by The Jewish Week, the seems not be true.[...]
The story, recounted by Deborah Feldman in “Unorthodox: The Scandalous Rejection of My Hasidic Roots” (Simon and Schuster), involves the alleged mutilation and murder of a boy by his own father — supposedly for masturbating — and the subsequent cover-up of the crime by Hatzolah, the community’s volunteer ambulance service.
The only problem, however, is that based on information obtained by The Jewish Week, the seems not be true.[...]
1)Is this the frum equivalent of the Duke Lacrosse case?
ReplyDelete2) What do YOU say Rabbi Eidensohn? This has to be the worst kind of PR for people like you who actually cover REAL abuse.
This article only serves to increase the suspicion around this case. The police report validates what she said she heard. And the police probably got bribed or otherwise intimidated off the case.
ReplyDeleteAnd the same thing just happened, with the boy who supposedly stabbed himself to death in meah shearim. The fanatics stole the body to forbid an autopsy and hide the murder. We have another cover up, with bribes or bullying to the police to look the other way.
J.A.M. said...
ReplyDeleteThis article only serves to increase the suspicion around this case. The police report validates what she said she heard. And the police probably got bribed or otherwise intimidated off the case.
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Sometimes rumors are not true. Just because we are dealing with chasidim there is no need to apply a different standard of truth and evidence.
You are basically saying the truth is always like the rumor - which absurd.
Since when does objection to autopsy mean that someone is covering up murder?
Did you read the whole article? The line that mentioned the police report? This is a very unusual method of suicide, and probably impossible for a person to do to himself. Just like, how does a person stab himself to death?
ReplyDeleteThere is nothing wrong with DF making that story public. It probably deserves a proper investigation. Do you disagree with that? Just like the meah shearim case deserves a proper investigation.
When objection to autopsy means destruction of evidence and possible obstruction of justice, then it is as evil as the murder itself.
J.A.M.- I'm so glad you know better than the state police and the coroner whio ruled it a suicide despite all your learned objections. I guess it must come as shock to you that some parents in KJ actually DON'T murder their children.
ReplyDelete"When objection to autopsy means destruction of evidence and possible obstruction of justice, then it is as evil as the murder itself."
You know quite well where our objection to autopsies comes from- and it isn't to protect parents who chop their children's genitals off. Go away, you creep.
You resort to insults because you are brainwashed, Shaul. I'm sure you are used to relying on charedi tactics of bullying, rather than making an intelligent argument.
ReplyDeleteInvestigations don't always require an autopsy, just a ME to make an examination of the body, but the fanatics are quick to cover up and destroy the case, even steal the body and bury it before the cops can do anything.
I doubt the police in the US are any less shocked than the police here in Israel, at the fact that these religious fanatics would rather a murderer go free than allow an ME near the body.
J.A.M. said...
ReplyDeleteDid you read the whole article? The line that mentioned the police report? This is a very unusual method of suicide, and probably impossible for a person to do to himself. Just like, how does a person stab himself to death?
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You simply don't know what you are talking about - simply google chain saw, suicide.
https://www.google.com/search?q=suicide%2Cchain%20saw&sourceid=groowe&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8
I did your google and I was correct. It is indeed a very unusual method of suicide, esp add to that mutilating ones genitals in this manner.
ReplyDeleteOTOH, if it was suicide, genital mutilation (to varying degrees) is often a big sign of child sexual abuse. So any way you look at this, there was a cover up.
J.A.M. said...
ReplyDeleteDid you read the whole article? The line that mentioned the police report? This is a very unusual method of suicide, and probably impossible for a person to do to himself. Just like, how does a person stab himself to death?
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You should remember what you write. You said it is "probably impossible" it is obviously possible and it happens.
"This is a very unusual method of suicide, and probably impossible for a person to do to himself."
ReplyDeleteIn what way would this be impossible? Doesn't seem impossible at all, in fact.
"Just like, how does a person stab himself to death?"
Pretty simple, the person takes the knife and sticks it into themself (chas veshalom). Not too hard to figure out how that could happen. But what's the connection with this case?
"There is nothing wrong with DF making that story public. It probably deserves a proper investigation."
But according to the state police, they already did a proper investigation. If you don't trust the NY state police to investigate a crime scene, whom are you going to trust to do it? And how are you going to do it 20 years later on a case the state police already looked at? Gonna make yourself a unit of "frum police" (Or, "policing frum") to go after it? Good luck pal.
I get your point that there can be evil people involved trying to hide evidence and refuse autopsy if they did a crime, but I really don't think the NY state police would let something like that happen, and based on this report, that is not what happened here. Ever dealt with ny state police? They are professionals, not like the politicized lawlessness in the state of Israel.
Student V,
ReplyDeleteIn the one case that DF brings up, I understood that the boy cut off his private parts and then tried to cut his head off. The other case I was referring to was the recent one in meah shearim where the boy died of multiple stab wounds. In both cases the community acted hastily and probably destroyed the cases, which I know personally is a tactic that the ultra-charedi use, and which the police can't do to much about, especially when slapped with "this is against on our religion." I'm glad you trust the nypd. However, you underestimate the power of the jewish community esp with thier block voting tactics.
"You resort to insults because you are brainwashed,"
ReplyDeleteHahahaha....
I'm sure you are used to relying on charedi tactics of bullying, rather than making an intelligent argument.
Hahahaha!
Have you ever before read my comments on this blog?
Maybe, just maybe, you're a bit brainwashed too?
J.A.M.- I just visited your blog, and I see you're actually a very decent person. I still strongly disagree with your comments, but I apologize for my tone.
ReplyDeleteThank you for your approval Shaul.
ReplyDeleteI think I will withhold judgement (either way) on DF, until I actually read her book...if I bother to. I would just like others to do the same. Because I've heard that reading the book diffuses everything the anti-DF are saying against her. And instead of attacking her, they should take a look at what caused her to be so bitter in the first place.
Regarding this murder cover up that she proposes, it doesn't make her a liar, it just means she was lied to.
J.A.M. said...
ReplyDeleteThank you for your approval Shaul.
I think I will withhold judgement (either way) on DF, until I actually read her book...if I bother to. I would just like others to do the same
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Why don't you have a similar fair minded attitude towards the chareidi community of waiting until the evidence is in?
"Unorthodox" is an authentic, gripping narrative of the author's experiences growing up in an oppressive religious Hasidic community, and of how she courageously walked away from that community to provide a better life for herself and her child. Having lived many years in that community myself, I can attest to the veracity of the author's description of the Hasidic lifestyle, as well as relate to the challenges she faced in leaving, and the exhilaration of being able to freely explore the world outside. The story, while poignant, also has its humorous moments.
ReplyDeleteWho are you, the publicist?
Delete"Since when does objection to autopsy mean that someone is covering up murder?"
ReplyDeleteThe only reason for an autopsy is when the police suspect wrongdoing.