Monday, August 11, 2008

Chabad II - Messianics - Everyone is today!

Anonymous' comment to "Chabad - Messianics - Everyone is today!":
Arthur,

It's not an assumption. I know them first hand.

I am offering you a kind of illustration and proof. Which has a greater readership Beis Mashiach or Kfar Chabad? If the "majority" would be counter to Yechi they would not have that number of readership (which perhaps surpasses that of the KF). Why is paying for a magazine with what he could have been "koneh chayey nafshoy" not a proof where his "nefesh" is?

The meshichisten are not only the most vocal and make the most noise but they are the power that controls what is holiest to chabad: 770! If the majority would real anti meshichist they would not allow them to take control.

In Erets Yisroel they manage to gather thousands of chassidim in the stadiums for 3 tammuz when they deny the histalkus! This shows further how there is a large number that aligns themselves in beleieving the Rebbe was not nistalek. (I"ll grant that this is NOT the majority of Lubavitchers who do hold that there some kind of histalkus).

And why not base from the fact that Kfar Chabad has not produced in the past 14 years ONE article explaining that it is legitimate (not even to say with definite certainty) to beleive that the Rebbe is not mashiach? Being that it is a very important issue and that the meshichistim are loud and they educate masses it is only logical that those who believe otherwise would write articles explaining how their position is wrong? After all Kfar Chabad writes about numerous issues in which they differ with the Bais Mashiach.

A while back Rabbi Brod of KC had articles explaining how some of the BM make a chilul Hashem and that we do not have to publicize etc. but never does he explain that perhaps the whole idea is not true!

In another post someone stated that Rav Ezra Shochat holds that the Rebbe is not mashiach. Kfar Chabad had recently an interview with him. They spoke about Mashiach etc. but they did not mention that in his opinion this is not the proper belief.

Let's take another example: They do write articles negating the idea that the Rebbe is here physically. Why have they not written such articles about the Rebbe not being mashiach?

Furthermore: You had a few years back a group of people Mashpiim and others getting together and writing a book how to believe that the rebbe was not nistalek is wrong. You had people like Reb Yoel and others. But you cannot have them getting together to write about the Rebbe not being mashiach! You know why....

4 comments:

  1. A little question, Rabbi Eidensohn:
    Do you really believe that Chabad's priorities or focus should be defined by what critics outside the movement, and not quite 'yedidim'... have decided ?
    Why should Kfar Chabad write articles for your agenda ? I have a much better question for you:
    Why can't the gedolim come out with a clear proclamation that believing the sheker marketed by Kupas Hair is assur, and bordering on kefira ? I should give $$ so R'C'Kanievsky will daven for me ?!!! Whoever heard of such nonsense - avoda zara mamash. Not to mention poshut a lie. Isn't that more important than what some silly chabadniks believe about moshiach ?

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  2. Actually the meshichists no longer control 770. They lost control to the non-meshichistim with aid from a federal court ruling earlier this year.

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  3. I have a much better question for you:
    "Why can't the gedolim come out with a clear proclamation that believing the sheker marketed by Kupas Hair is assur, and bordering on kefira ? I should give $$ so R'C'Kanievsky will daven for me ?!!! Whoever heard of such nonsense - avoda zara mamash. Not to mention poshut a lie. Isn't that more important than what some silly chabadniks believe about moshiach ?"

    I have a bigger question: is this the "chochmah binah daas" logic they teach you at chasidut classes? What does it take to make your "geniuses" points and get a PHD in your chabad college : 5 glasses of mashkeh or what?

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  4. Again my question is, just as it is the epitome of human arrogance to declare who Moshiach is,isn't it also the epitome of human arrogance to declare who he is not? Why must Kfar Chabad or for that matter anyone declare that the Rebbi was not Moshiach? The Ribono Shel Olem is the one that makes this decision, and for us to declare either way is the height of arrogance.

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