Rodef - violating traffic laws

 Rav Sternbuch 1:850): Question: A Jewish driver who normal speeds or doesn’t have a license – is it permitted to report him to the police? Answer: It states explicitly in Shulchan Aruch (Y.D. 388:12) that if someone is engaged in counterfeiting and is thus a danger to the community – he should be warned to stop. If he doesn’t listen to the warning it is possible to report him to the police. The Gra there says that the counterfeiter has the status of a rodef (pursuer) even though he does not intend to harm others and even though the harm is an indirect result of his actions and even though the danger is only a possibility not a certainty. There is nothing more dangerous than a reckless driver who is speeding or one who has no knowledge of proper driving skills - as indicated by the fact he has no license. Such people are likely to kill other, chas v’shalom and therefore they have the halachic status of rodef (pursuer).  That is why in fact the secular law that requires a skilled driver with a license is in fact a just and obvious law for the welfare of society and we are fully obligated to observe these laws. Anyone who treats these laws with contempt and disobeys them, we are concerned that such a person can come to kill and therefore he deserves serious punishment – even imprisonment. (See Tashbatz 3:168 regarding having non-Jews imprison a Jew as punishment and also Maharshdam C.M. 55.6). However it is appropriate not to hand him over to the government immediately but only after he has been warned first by the rav of the community or the beis din. They should tell him that if he continues violating traffic laws they will report him to the police so that he will be punished appropriately. (It should be done this way because if he is simply warned he will not believe that he will be reported to the police.). If despite the warning he insists of violating traffic laws and showing contempt for the community he should be reported. (R’ Yaakov Kaniefsky was very angry with those who violated traffic laws whose purpose is to protect the lives of the members of society.  I heard that someone once came to him because he was worried that he was about to receive a very severe punishment because he had violated the traffic laws. He wanted to receive a beracha that he would be free of the punishment. R’ Kaniefsky replied with a very sharp admonition and told him that in truth he deserved to be punished!) (This was even though R’ Kaniefsky was not necessarily in agreement with the secular laws in general). Therefore it would appear that if the person is considered a danger to society and since we can’t punish him ourselves, he should be reported to the police – with the permission of beis din or the rabbi of the community. This is in fact a mitzva since it is saving the community from harm and possible death.

 Minchas Yitzchok (8:148): Is it permitted to report to the police reckless drivers who are a danger to other motorists and pedestrians? Concerning the question regarding motorists who drive their vehicles in a manner which endangers all those who are on the road with them by means of the means different scenarios that are described in his letter. Is it permitted to report them to the police? This will typically result in a monetary punishment or the cancellation of their driver’s license for a fixed period or incarceration in jail and it serves as a deterrent to actions which endanger others. Answer: Even though halacha prohibits causing a Jew to be given bodily or financially to the secular justice system, nevertheless a Jew who endangers other people is not included in this prohibition. This is explicitly stated by the Rambam (Hilchos Chovel u’Mazik 8:11) and Shulchan Aruch (C.M. 388:12): “All those who disturb the community and cause it distress it is permitted to give them over to the secular government to be punished whether by beating, imprisonment or fines…” It is obvious that all those who drive carelessly and in a wild manner, endanger the lives of all those are near them. We in fact have been commanded to avoid danger and to prevent it from happening. Perhaps by taking actions against these drivers it will prevent danger and reduce the number of accidents. There is a difficulty however. The Rambam (Hilchos Chovel u’Mazik 8:9) states that it is prohibited to hand over a person to the secular government whether physically or financially even if he is wicked and even if he disturbs and distresses… And then the Rambam (Hilchos Chovel u’Mazik 8:11) states, “And thus all those who disturb and distress the society it is permitted to hand them over to the secular government to be beaten or imprisoned or fined..” What is the source of the distinction that the Rambam makes between those who disturb individuals and those who disturb the community? I could not find a source in the standard commentaries on the Rambam. However I found a source in the Chasam Sofer and his son the Ksav Sofer on their commentary to Gittin (7) and this supports the view of the Rivash (239). The Rivash notes, “If someone is disturbing and distressing the community then he should be punished according to what the beis din sees fit as we find in the Rambam (Hilchos Chovel u’Mazik 8:5): ‘All those who disturb and distress the community it permitted to give them to the judges to be beaten, or jailed or to be fined - while if it only concerns an individual it is prohibited.’ And similarly when the beis din sees a need to restore order to that generation…and the needs of the time require and they want to punish more than the halacha specifies for the sake of preserving society… they are permitted…” This ruling of the Rivash is cited by the Rema (C.M. 388:15). Thus we see from the Rivash- based on the explanation of the Rambam by the Chasam Sofer and the Ksav Sofer - that for an individual who is only being verbally abused it prohibited to report his abuser to the secular authorities. But that verbal abuse of the community is sufficient justification to call the police or surely to have him punished by a Jewish court…. However the Sema (C.M. 388:30):“This that the abuser is not reported to the secular authorities is only when he is verbally abusive but if he causes financial loss and surely if he beats him or causes bodily suffering it is permitted to report him to the secular authorities as is stated in the Rema and the Darchei Moshe. See also the Tur (C.M. 425:2).” This distinction is readily seen according to the Chasam Sofer’s explanation of the Rambam… Rashi also would seem to support the idea that if the abuser caused a loss of money and forgery then it is permitted to report him… The Rambam (Chovel u’Mazik 8:11) seems to being saying that only when it is verbal abuse that the abuser is not reported to the police but if he causes actually loss than it is permitted to prevent him suffering a loss. This is also the Rema (C.M. 388:9) and the Shach (C.M. 388:59-60)…The reason that the moser can be reported to the police is because he has the status of a rodef (pursuer) - as we find stated in the Rema (C.M. 388:12) and in the Sema (C.M. 388:29). The law of rodef is discussed in Shulchan Aruch (C.M. 425:1). Every Jew has the obligation to save others from a rodef according to the procedure discussed there. The Rema (C.M. 388:12) states that the rodef is someone who endangers the community such as a counterfeiter and it is permitted to report him to the police after warning him to stop…. Returning to our question, it is obvious that someone who drives at excessive speeds and thus cannot stop quickly enough when needed without causing an accident - has the status of a rodef (pursuer) even if his behavior was much less serious. … If after warning him he continues to act in this way, it is permitted to report him to the police. It is obvious that this is true for the other behaviors mentioned such as stopping at stop signs which enable pedestrians to cross the street or if he is dangerously tailgating the car in front of him. The same applies if he is driving without a license – all of these are in the category of rodef which endangers himself and others. Even if he doesn’t intend to endanger others he is still considered a rodef. Also included is if he stops his car in a way that endangers pedestrians or by parking on the sidewalk which forces the pedestrians to go into the street or any of the other ways that that are described in the letter. All of these are equivalent to digging a pit in the public area… However as is explicit in Shulchan Aruch in all these laws – whether it is rodef (Shulchan Aruch C.M. 425) or moser (Shulchan Aruch 388:10) or whether it counterfeiting – before the perpetrator is reported to the police he needs to be formerly warned. Also in our case he should not be reported without beis din first warning him. Therefore those who are involved in this mitzva of life saving should first go to beis din and to present their claims before them…