Wednesday, July 18, 2018

Historians Say President Trump Smashed U.S. Leadership Conventions During Rocky Europe Trip

time


 Plenty of U.S. presidents have created commotion in their travels abroad, but none as much as President Donald Trump.
The president’s tumultuous trip across Europe, historians say, smashed the conventions of American leaders on the world stage.
Trump’s “America first” approach to foreign policy had him seeming to accept the word of a hostile power over his own intelligence agencies, insulting allies and sowing doubts about his commitment to the NATO alliance.
“We’ve never had a president go abroad and not only lecture to our NATO allies, but also to embarrass them,” said Russia expert William Pomeranz, deputy director of the Kennan Institute at the Wilson Center. “We’ve never had our president go on a foreign tour and categorize our allies as foes. And we’ve never had our president hold a joint news conference with a Russian leader where he assigned blame, from his perspective, to both parties, but in fact dedicated most of his time to blaming the U.S. Justice Department and intelligence services.”
While past presidents have had difficult foreign trips and been criticized for their summits with Soviet leaders, Trump’s behavior has few parallels, in the view of presidential historians and longtime Russia watchers.
Franklin Roosevelt was accused of “selling out” to Joseph Stalin at the Yalta Conference in 1945; John F. Kennedy and his aides admitted that he’d been unprepared for his 1961 Vienna summit with Nikita Khrushchev; the Reykjavík summit between Ronald Reagan and Mikhail Gorbachev in 1986 was seen at the time to have ended in failure; and George W. Bush was mocked for telling reporters in 2001 after meeting with Putin that he had “looked the man in the eye” and “found him to be very straightforward and trustworthy.”
Trump’s trip was different.
“Frankly, I don’t think those U.S. presidents at any point came off as not pursuing U.S. security interests, as being taken in by the Soviet leader they were meeting with,” said Alina Polyakova, a foreign policy fellow at the Brookings Institution. “I think even President George W. Bush’s meeting, where he had that famous quote about looking into Putin’s eyes and seeing into his soul — this summit dwarfs that by a factor of a thousand.”
Indeed, even before he departed Washington, Trump had made clear that he was itching for a fight. He criticized members of NATO, the decades-old military alliance, for failing to spend enough on defense and suggested he might not be interested in “paying for Europe’s protection” any longer.
In his first appearance at a pre-summit breakfast in Brussels, he went after German Chancellor Angela Merkel, claiming Germany was “totally controlled” by Russia and later asked on Twitter, “What good is NATO.” The summit ended in a whiplash-inducing proclamation from the president that NATO was stronger than ever as he claimed he’d secured new commitments to defense spending, which those present later disputed.
The drama continued as Trump headed to his next stop, the U.K. His first official visit was overshadowed by fallout from the rhetorical grenade he’d lobbed at British Prime Minister Theresa May before arriving. In a tabloid interview, he criticized May’s Brexit plans, said he might no longer be open to a trade deal with the U.K., and said one of May’s political rival would be an excellent prime minister, undermining her at a time when her government is in turmoil.
Then came yet another interview, this one from one of his golf courses in Scotland, in which Trump categorized the European Union as a top geopolitical “foe.”
Nothing, however, had quite prepared the world for Trump’s comments in Helsinki after hours of meetings with Russian President Vladimir Putin, whose government, U.S. intelligence officials have concluded, meddled in the 2016 election, hacked Democratic Party emails and disseminated them in an effort to help Trump win.
Standing side-by-side on stage with the man accused of complicity in an attack on the very bedrock of American democracy, Trump said his intelligence people “think it’s Russia. I have President Putin. He just said it’s not Russia. I will say this I don’t see any reason why it would be.” He also went after his Justice Department, calling its investigation into Russia’s efforts and potential collusion with Trump’s campaign a “disaster for our country.”
It was a stunning comment from an American president — one that he partially tried to walk back 24 hours later by blaming a grammatical glitch. But he did not retreat from a number of his other comments giving credence to Putin’s denials of election interference
“Trump 0 – Putin 1,” blared the front page of Finland’s Kauppalehti newspaper.

65 comments :

  1. Those allies are foes.

    They are letting in immigrants who are overrunning their countries. They have politically correct cultures that suppress free speech. These are toxic policies that liberals in this country are seeking to emulate. The enemy is there and here, outside and in.

    And in that regard, within Justice and the assorted intelligence communities are aiders and abettors of the multicultural monsters.

    One man has risen to slay them. His name is Donald Trump.

    The whole beauty of Democracy is that you can foment a revolt of historic proportions that upends precedents and starts fresh and new.

    All that has preceded is nothing compared to what's coming. Wait till the midterms. Tickets please. The roller coaster ride is about to get started.

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  2. right russia and north korea are allies europr mexico and canada are foes?!!!!the intelligence services are foes but the kkk is one of us


    read some history about anarchists - we will destroy the world to get rid of our foes
    should we reveal that trump is reallly moshiach????


    i hear he learns daf yomi


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  3. I am promoting fascism. Not anarchism. Although this brand of fascism does contain aspects of anarchism. It's a balance.

    Russia: few terror attacks on Russian soil. Is there a reason? Maybe we have something to learn.

    North Korea: I don't think they have drag queens there cavorting with kids. Maybe they have something to teach us?

    Mexico: foe. Flooding our borders.

    Canada: foe. A society policing the use of gender pronouns

    KKK: not much left of the KKK. But, yes, they have rights, too. And if someone wants to argue they don't, then the burden of proof is on the one making that argument. Where in the First and Second Amendments are members of the Klan specifically excluded?

    The Torah is Emes. The President uses truth more as a suggestion, and as a starting point, than as a goal. He doesn't study Torah. Rather, like so many Presidents and world leaders of the past, he surrounds himself with Jews.

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  4. Russians interfered in the election. Or someone else interfered who covered their tracks to make it appear it was Russians. And if it was Russians, they may have had connections with the Russian government, if they weren't the government itself. Because in Russia there is no distinct dividing line between government and civilian activities like there is in America.

    The efforts were possibly aimed to sow discord. Promote instability. And to keep Hillary Clinton from power.

    But it is the media and the Deep State that has made the country unstable by promoting discord through the non-stop narrative that the Russians and Donald Trump's campaign colluded and that the Russians have "kompromat" on the President.

    Bottom line: if Secy. Clinton would have won save for Russian interference, I say better the interference than a President Clinton.

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  5. “Historians Say President Trump Smashed U.S. Leadership Conventions During Rocky Europe Trip”
    Torah thought on this week’s parsha Devarim:
    “Up! Set out across the wadi Arnon! See, I give into your power Sihon the Amorite, king of Heshbon, and his land. Begin the occupation: engage him in battle. This day I begin to put the dread and fear of you upon the peoples everywhere under heaven, so that they shall tremble and quake because of you whenever they hear you mentioned. Then I sent messengers from the wilderness of Kedemoth to King Sihon of Heshbon with an offer of peace, as follows” (Deuteronomy 2:24-26).
    I heard that Moses’ offer of peace to Sihon was a smart way to do God’s command to “engage him in battle.” See, Moses’ offer of peace was not an attempt to avoid or delay battle. Moses knew well the psychology of the enemies of Israel, such as Sihon. When implacable enemies of Israel, such as Sihon who was hired to block Israel, see offers of appeasement, that emboldens them to bring all their forces right to the battle field for Moses to more easily defeat etc.
    Kennedy faced an enemy of the US, Khrushchev, in a summit 50 years ago. With Gorbachev in 1991 and the fall of the USSR, Russia was no longer an enemy of the US, but merely a country with a lot of nuclear missiles. See https://www.israelnationalnews.com/Articles/Author.aspx/18
    Michael Oren is an America historian/professor/writer. He believes that Trump and Netanyahu are succeeding to persuade Putin on kicking out Iranian arms/men/et from Syria.. See https://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/249064. Also see https://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/249124

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  6. Nice, send this to Rav Shmuel before you next phone him, he will then be able to say that the kid is quite crazy!

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  7. When Barack Obama bowed to the Japanese emperor, that did not smash convention.

    When Barack Obama bowed to the Saudi king, that did not smash convention.

    When Barack Obama criticized the United State's history in Cairo, that did not smash convention.

    When Barack Obama criticized the United State's history in Germany, that did not smash convention.

    When Obama told Putin and Russia that he will fool the american people, he did not smash convention. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XsFR8DbSRQE

    When Barack Obama embarrassed the Queen of England, he did not smash convention https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pNRXGRFJdDY

    #Hypocracy
    #Trump Hatred Syndrome

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  8. None of those are remotely comparable to the sitting U.S. president saying at a news conference that he accepts the word of the Russian Prime Minister over the assessment of his own intelligence agencies.

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  9. I think we can all agree that Pres. Putin may have been and still is unaware of the Russian meddling. Perhaps some rogue agency, or rival in the Kremlin, took it it on itself or himself, respectively, to use cyberocracy to influence the U.S. Presidential election.

    Therefore, it follows that a way to get at the truth would be confront Pres. Putin. Pres. Trump did just that, and decided that the reaction he got from Mr. Putin confirmed the possibility that maybe Mr. Putin was innocent in the matter.

    After all, it's not like the CIA has a recording where Mr. Putin orders the electoral interference. Or do they?

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  10. 1) Why are you emphasising "sitting U.S. president"? Barack Obama was the sitting U.S. president when he did all of the above?

    2) You are ignoring the issue and accusation at hand. Barack Obama ''smashed U.S. leadership convention" many times.

    3) There has proven, verified, concrete cases of abuse, misinformation and lying but the U.S. intelligence community in regards to president Trump and Russia.
    He may have slipped - buy he was responding to that abuse. Context matters.

    Good luck. You may begin your personal attacks now. I'll enjoy the show with a large bucket of popcorn.

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  11. Oh dear Eddie, thou projects too much.

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  12. Your gullibility (or, more likely, your self-delusion) is beyond belief. Russia did it but Putin didn't know about it? Get out of your dreamworld.

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  13. Sorry to disappoint you.

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  14. Obama giving 100million to Iran

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  15. Yehoshua, I get the distinct impression that you are not on board for making America great again.

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  16. Some people are under the impression that America was never great. Well, they will say that America may have done some great things during the Obama presidency and during the hippie 60s and 70s. But that's about it. Otherwise they don't see America as great.
    If that's their impression, then just about anything president Trump does is bad - since they see his mission of MAGA as bad. They see America as bad. They see globalism as good.

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  17. There is a bizarre implication to your thesis.

    "Some people are under the impression that America was never great."

    The people who feel this way benefit from living in a country under a form of government that was created by the very people they now villainize, villify, and speak ill of.

    George Washington, Thomas Jefferson: slave owners. Tear down their statues and monuments. Change names of places and schools. Rewrite the textbooks.

    We are a country of rights, they proclaim!

    But which man won the War of Independence so that there could be such rights? Who articulated those rights?

    Constitution: bad. Incorporated slavery.

    But what document guarantees the free speech these social justice warriors advocate so much for -- as long as its their speech, and not Trump hate speech.

    "They see America as bad."

    And their job, they feel is to Make Themselves Great.

    And if they were to get into power they would do as Marxists always do. Their first task will be to wipe out all the useful [people who unquestioningly played along].

    And that's why they also tear down the Second Amendment. They don't want any of the crazed Fascists to oppose them with very weapons the Founding Fathers left in civilian hands for the express purpose of keeping a check on the people in power.

    This is not going to end well unless the globalists back down. And there's no indication they even KNOW how to back off. They're rabid.

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  18. If by making America great again, you mean supporting the cruel, senseless, and counterproductive policies advanced by the person currently occupying the Oval Office, then you are correct.

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  19. America has done some great things over its history, and some horrible things. Sometimes great things and horrible things were done by the very same people. Those who view matters in a binary way and cannot appreciate this are usually red-MAGA-hat wearers.

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  20. Once again, ignorance. He did not "give 100 million" to Iran. It was their money that had been frozen in the U.S., which was released as part of the nuclear deal.

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  21. It is interesting to see you assert your opinions so confidently when they run counter to the conclusions of the intelligence agencies and the Senate committee that investigated this. Maybe you should share your secret info with them so that they can be enlightened as well.

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  22. He did give it to them. You forget the Shah was an ally, whereas the Islamic revolutionary regime regularly chants death to America.

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  23. Not sure what your point is. The money belonged to the country. The president of America now is an ignorant fascist-wannabe, but it is still the same America.

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  24. I shoulda remembered, not to get into partisan politics with Americans - they are all crazy!

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  25. Obama was either hoodwinked by the Iranians or he actually supports them a rogue rogue state which repeatedly calls for the death of America.
    Russia doesn't call for the death of America they don't even call for the death of capitalism anymore.

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  26. Or, Obama was intelligent and mature enough to understand that the paramount value of halting Iran's nuclear weapons program required holding our noses with regard to other issues.

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  27. interesting argument


    major problem trump is not a
    role model or comprtent leader

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  28. http://daattorah.blogspot.com/2018/07/historians-say-president-trump-smashed.html?m=1#comment-3995132475

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  29. Uh, huh.
    http://daattorah.blogspot.com/2018/07/historians-say-president-trump-smashed.html?m=1#comment-3995132475

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  30. Haha
    http://daattorah.blogspot.com/2018/07/historians-say-president-trump-smashed.html?m=1#comment-3995132475

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  31. There she goes again.
    http://daattorah.blogspot.com/2018/07/historians-say-president-trump-smashed.html?m=1#comment-3995132475

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  32. Are you aligning yourself with those who despise America, it's founders, it's framers, her constitution etc? Is your distaste and dislike for president Trump bringing you to join causes with those who think America is an unjust nation?

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  33. read the Republican comments about trump

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  34. In your attacks against posek hador kamenetsky, are you aligning yourself with those who despise Halacha, Torah she b'aal peh, it's founders, it's framers, her constitution etc?

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  35. Your words don't need my approval. But I will say it anyway: 100% truth.

    Donald Trump is the best we have. He's a placeholder till better comes along. He was smart enough to figure our what was needed, and he stepped up to the plate.

    In that sense, then, he is a role model of sorts.

    Who am I call the Kamenetskys and Rabbi Greenblatt, and now the doctor who the Heter was based on? I can't do it without getting nervous every time. I feel I'm not qualified. But then I think, somebody's gotta do it. And that thought qualifies me.

    I think Donald Trump has inspired a lot of outsiders to wade into politics who may not have done so otherwise.

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  36. 1) No one, but no one, considers Rabbi Shmuel Kamenetzky to be a ppsek hador.

    2) Did you hear me oppose yeshivos, since he runs a yeshiva?

    3) Did you hear me oppose the Moetzes Gedolei Hatorah, since he is a member of that body?

    4) Did you hear me oppose anything Jewish as a way to oppose Rabbi Kamenetzky?

    Bottom line - I did not oppose him, but i oppose his actions. Additionally, I have not joined with those who despise Halacha and Torah. The same cannot be said of some who chosen to oppose president Trump.

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  37. Nah, they don't pretend that Obama did not smash convention. They don't pretend that what president Trump accomplished with foreign and domestic policies are destroying America. They oppose his style, rhetoric, vulgarity and other personality traits. But they actually support most of his policies. They also acknowledge the real success of many of his policies.

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  38. You fail to see the fallacies in your arguments
    https://www.vosizneias.com/103728/2012/03/28/philadelphia-pa-leading-american-charedi-posek-says-metitza-should-not-be-done-orally/

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  39. The Jewish Weed indeed despises Halacha. Yeah, so they framed him "posek hador" in their quest to use him to fight and destroy an halachic practice.

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  40. "no true Scotsman" fallacy

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  41. Can you please clarify what your intent is by linking to this post over and over again?

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  42. The Republican Party is concerned that the Trump party might be over. So they're positioning themselves to jettison the President. That's where they go wrong. Every time they get ready to push Mr. Trump off the island, they find themselves flailing in quicksand.

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  43. wow !!!!
    Bottom line - I did not oppose him, but i oppose his actions. Additionally, I have not joined with those who despise Halacha and Torah. The same cannot be said of some who chosen to oppose president Trump.

    only trump supporters arev torah true-
    what a truly stupid assertion

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  44. I wasn't clear in the last line of my comment and I apologize for that. In my response to Eddie, I made the point about Rabbi Kamenetzky - which you agree with. It is undoubtedly what you have been doing.

    I did not mean to say that opposition to president Trump means the person is not Torah true! Not at all!!! I made a comment about the political 'bed fellows'. Yes, the far leftists in this country HATE the Torah, Jewish values and what Jews represent. That includes many in the leftist media. They are also the 'resistance'!

    However, my question is if there are times when in your opposition to President Trump's style, rhetoric, vulgarity and other personality traits where you made political 'bed fellowship' with the leftists. My assertion is that you have. I am not asserting that you have the same goals or ideologies as them. I'm simply asserting that you use the 'my enemy's enemy is my friend' logic and join in their 'resistance'.

    Do you disagree?

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  45. Haha

    I'm kicking back and enjoying the show of you freaking out and going for all these personal attacks. Great, free entertainment!!

    Keep it up

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  46. I guess you don't know the meaning of either "freaking out" or "personal attacks," but glad to make you happy.

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  47. so you misspoke and meant to say some people

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  48. Vin is orthodox they call rsk leading posek. End of.

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  49. how about Theresa May, Boris Johnson and brexit?

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  50. Real reason: Way too much time on his hands.

    As for "intent," well, this individual is confirmed insane, so question kinda answers itself.

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  51. Orthodox, huh? Please read this:

    http://matzav.com/gedolim-publically-denounce-chillul-hashem-of-vos-iz-neias-and-its-advertisers-and-issue-issur-chomur/

    End of what?

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  52. What is this really about??

    https://youtu.be/_qHtwFhX_yQ

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  53. It's about a second term for Donald Trump as POTUS.

    Bring it on!

    The more extreme the Left becomes, the more "normies" wake up and move over to the fascist side.

    This is good stuff.

    They threw "feces" at the windows. Any arrests? Hmm? Apparently NOT!!!

    Because, as Jared Howe says, our free speech is violence, and their violence is free speech.

    There was a line of police. Now, why is that if it was a peaceful protest? BECAUSE IT WASN'T PEACEFUL, I BET. But that doesn't get shown in the clip.

    We are biding our time. Come the revolution....

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  54. 300 Billion with a "B" and counting !

    The United States has provided Israel with $233.7 billion in aid ‏ since the state was formed in 1948 - 2013. for Naught. !

    https://www.haaretz.com/whdcMobileSite/israel-news/business/.premium-u-s-aid-to-israel-234-billion-over-60-years-1.5234820

    in 2016:
    https://www.nytimes.com/2016/09/14/world/middleeast/israel-benjamin-netanyahu-military-aid.html

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  55. Russia and Israel are colluding against America !

    despite of the: 300 Billion with a "B" and counting Israel received from the U.S.

    The United States has provided Israel with $233.7 billion in aid ‏ since the state was formed in 1948 - 2013. for Naught. !

    https://www.haaretz.com/whdcMobileSite/israel-news/business/.premium-u-s-aid-to-israel-234-billion-over-60-years-1.5234820

    in 2016:
    https://www.nytimes.com/2016/09/14/world/middleeast/israel-benjamin-netanyahu-military-aid.html

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  56. So you accept rsk's daas Torah on the newspaper?

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  57. Are you changing horses, in the midst of the race?
    In fact, you're starting a very new race.
    Bottom line - Rav Shmuel Kamenetzky is not considered a posek hador.

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  58. The article you bring cites him as one of the gedolim with Daas Torah
    The article that it/you criticize also claims he is a leading posek.

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  59. Everyone agrees that many people respect him in his position as a Rav.

    Posek hador is false title that was foisted upon him by a dubious website, when they were trying to advance a position that was indeed contrary to the poskei hador (Rav Elyashiv and Rav Wosner, who were both alive that point).

    What is the point you trying to make? Is it just haed for you to back down when your analogy was off base?

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  60. You are still not standing up and acknowledging that your dislike for president Trump has brought you to, at times, choosing to make some strange political fellowships with those who hate the Torah, and everything you stand for. Also, in this area, you will never acknowledge anything positive the president has done. You won't acknowledge what he has done for the state of Israel, it's inhabitants or what he's done for the American economy.

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  61. In the British political tradition we are free to criticize whoever is in power. Doesn't mean we vote for the opposition.

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  62. i do agree it is strange to read and allow the bizarre defense statements from his loyal followers on my blog

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  63. There were Americans who had claims on that money.

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  64. There were Americans who had valid claims on that money.

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