Friday, May 10, 2019

the Balfour Declaration Rabbi Berel Wein

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  1. The Aguda Declaration!

    THE WORLD CONGRESS OF THE AGUDATH ISRAEL UNANIMOUSLY ADOPTED A RESOLUTION YESTERDAY REJECTING PROPOSALS FOR ESTABLISHMENT OF A JEWISH STATE IN PALESTINE.

    THE PROPER FULFILLMENT OF THE MANDATE WOULD BRING ABOUT PEACE BETWEEN ARABS AND JEWS

    https://www.jta.org/1937/08...

    Rabbi Yaakov Rosenheim, founder of "Agudath Israel" speaking in Marienbad

    The agreement of the Association for the Establishment of a State prior to the coming of the Messiah is based on rulings of the Torah sages. However, these judgments depend on two basic conditions, far from reality and possibility

    1) The state should be conducted according to Torah and tradition

    2) There must be peace with the Arabs

    The second condition is to uphold the oath against the rising like a wall (verses 111a). This oath forbids us to take any military action or occupation of the land against the will of the Arabs and the governments of the world. The oath prohibiting the rebellion against the nations refers to the revolution of military power

    I do not believe that in the present circumstances, it is possible that there will be a state according to Jewish law ... I will consider the establishment of a state as a disaster and bad luck. - Rabbi Jacob Rosenheim, founder and political leader of "Aguda" in Reshumot in the Knesset.

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  2. The right to return ?

    More than half of new immigrants to Israel in 2018 were not considered Jewish JANUARY 3, 2019 11:29 AM

    https://www.jta.org/quick-reads/more-than-half-of-new-immigrants-to-israel-in-2018-were-not-considered-jewish

    מי בקש זאת מידכם רמס חצרי. -ישעיהו א' יב

    רש"י: "מי בקש זאת מידכם רמס חצרי" - לרמוס את חצרי אחרי שאין לבבכם שלם עמי

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  3. Kalonymus AnonymusMay 10, 2019 at 4:00 PM

    Misguided nebachs, who didn't see what was coming

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  4. "nebachs, who didn't see what was coming.."

    אמר רבי אלעזר: אמר להם הקב"ה לישראל: "אם אתם מקיימין את השבועה - מוטב, ואם לאו - אני מתיר את בשרכם כצבאות וכאילות השדה". -כתובות קיא

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  5. Kalonymus AnonymusMay 10, 2019 at 4:24 PM

    The Arizal said the oaths were over after 1000 years. Is Lubavitcher rebbe or Samar smarter than the Arizal?

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  6. Kalonymus AnonymusMay 10, 2019 at 4:25 PM

    Why you complaining? They can work in kosher hotels on shabbes 😁

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  7. Kalonymus AnonymusMay 10, 2019 at 5:04 PM

    Rabbis Goren and Lubavitcher rebbe wanted to change the law of return, but Rav Shach opposed the bill.

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  8. "They can "work" in kosher hotels on shabbes"

    Tel Aviv has become a major LGBTQ tourist destination after being named the #1 gay city in the world by various travel and cultural magazines.

    Over 250,000 take part in 20th annual parade through the city, kicking off Israel's Pride Month!

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  9. Kalonymus AnonymusMay 10, 2019 at 5:54 PM

    And what has that to do with anything? You cannot walk 100 yards in any western city without this lgbqtxyzabc being advertised and bombarding us. It's like air pollution, occurs everywhere.

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  10. At the time it was the only way to go. לכתחילה
    After the state was already established, everything changed. בדיעבד

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  11. צרת-בעל-פעור! רש"י: שמו של האל (בעלפור) ניתן לו על שם "שפוערין לפניו" פי הטבעת ומוציאין רעי, וזו היא עבודתו. כלומר עבודת בעל-פעור היא לעשות עליו את צורכי האדם

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  12. Or who took a longer view than 70 or 80 years.

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  13. Kalonymus AnonymusMay 12, 2019 at 12:10 AM

    Jokester orlow , i though Purim was over?

    The "Agudah" had a minority who voted for the Medinah, one was Harav Kalischer, but the opponents could simply not think beyond their next pay check, they had no clue what was going on in Europe and had no clue that within a few years 6 million Jews would be slaughtered. A few genius gedolim did have vision, one was rav Meir Simcha of Dvinsk ztl and the other was Rav Avraham Y. Kook ztl. The Or sameach actually predicted there would be some Holocaust coming from Berlin, and he supported balfour and rejected the satmar view on the 3 oaths.
    You think the Hareidim who even rejected Visas during WW2 could see further than their own noses? Sadly not.

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  14. Kalonymus AnonymusMay 12, 2019 at 12:15 AM

    Berel Wein is talking nonsense. Weizmann was a significant Chemist in the University of Manchester, and has a process named after him. when Wein has something named after him, he will be a famous rabbi.

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  15. Kalonymus AnonymusMay 12, 2019 at 12:25 AM

    "orthodox anti-zionists, and their bedfellows the assimilated anti-Zionists testified against the Zionists". i.e. the reform and the hareidim are moiserim, and always have been.

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  16. Kalonymus AnonymusMay 12, 2019 at 12:38 AM

    Wein is demonstrating his moronity. What a complete nincompoop.

    This self described "historian" has no actual concept of historical events in general and Jewish history in particular. he is saying that in hindsight, the Balfour declaration was not a good thing, because the Arabs resented it and turned to violence. The ksil has conveniently forgotten (or perhaps didn't know about the Islamic violence that already existed across the Middle east, and how there were pogroms and conversions against the jews all over this area. Of course the mass murders in europe also are not considered in his so-called "hindsight".

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  17. Kalonymus AnonymusMay 12, 2019 at 1:54 AM

    Let's put it this way - the Chareidi groups who reject Modernity and Tzionut, each have one or 2 redeeming qualities, even though they contradict their fellow chareidim. Some examples:


    Satmar - at least they recognize the reality of economics and the need and mitzvah to work.



    Lubavitch: They support the control of Eretz yisroel and its wholeness being in Jewish hands, and under the military control of Jews, regardless of their supposed anti-Zionist past.


    Brisk - totally anti-everything, except for one thing they are a bit better at, is logical thinking. Lomdus .


    Litvish Misnagdim - they shun Universities, Yeshiva University, the army , professions etc. But they reject the superstitious ideas that have infiltrated Yiddishkeit , eg the Mitzvah of bittul Torah on Nittel nacht, and to some extent the Lag b'omer insanity.


    Lakewood (old school, in Rav Aharon's day) were great in chesed.


    Baltimore - TIDE - they respect and encourage their students to study in University and learn secular knowledge and professions.

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  18. First of all it may be significant to note that this lecture by Rabbi Wein was given in 2003, so it is somewhat outdated. Second, Rabbi Wein fails to mention another motive by Britain in its support of the Balfour declaration, namely that it was vehemently against the alternative of allowing the persecuted Jewish refugees from Poland and Russia to emigrate to England, an outcome much desired By British Jewry, but totally unacceptable to Britain's non-Jewish establishment.

    So in Balfour's words, "His Majesty's government view with favour the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people. ", (as long as Palestine in the Turkish enemy's possession, as it was in 1917).

    The Arabs too, would view with favor, the establishment of a Jewish homeland, as long as it is located on the non-planet Pluto.

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  19. Was the state born in sin?

    "Perhaps most important reason for the "silence" is that acknowledgment of the "Nakba" our role in it, might threaten the very legitimacy of the State of Israel."

    https://www.haaretz.com/middle-east-news/why-israelis-are-so-terrified-of-the-nakba-1.6100252

    https://forward.com/opinion/423970/its-time-for-american-jews-to-recognize-the-nakba/

    ו-פ-ר-צ-ת ! ימה וקדמה צפונ"ה ונגב"ה

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  20. תקוותם של 6 מליון יהודים מרוכזת על עליה, מתהומות הטרגדיה, אני רוצה להציל
    2 מליון נוער, "הזקנים יאבדו" הם יחכו לגורלם, הם אבק כלכלי ומוסרי בעולם אכזרי. רק ענף הנוער יישאר, הזקנים צריכים לעמוד בכך, ולהשלים עם כך. חיים וייסמאן, שר"י


    השמחים אלי גיל ישישו כי ימצאו קבר, איוב ג כב. רש"י: "שמחים אלי גיל" - וישישו אם היו מוצאים קבר. "אלי גיל" - בשביל הגילה והששון של (מציאות) קבר

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  21. Not bedieved -- bzchut $haDollarim$

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  22. Not Rav Kalisher, but Itche Meyer Weiss. Who signed the megillat atzmaut. Also Rav Zev Gold, founding RY of yeshiva Torah vaDaat

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