Saturday, August 15, 2009

EJF's Enhanced Web site


Everything except written teshuvos justifying their approach

To accomplish their mission of education, the Eternal Jewish Family (EJF) has significantly updated the web site at www.eternaljewishfamily.org. This includes adding the Eternal Jewish Family e-News with regular updates on developments within the organization and geirus (conversion to Judaism). It is part of the first phase of a new comprehensive Web site that will be a comprehensive guide to universally accepted conversions in intermarriage. [...]

17 comments :

  1. They have their most MAASSE ENDORSEMENTS FROM THESE GEONIM! being partners in this organization!
    EJF Leadership
    Harav Reuven Feinstein, Shlit"a
    President of Halachic Committee
    Harav Shmuel Eliezer Stern, Shlit"a
    Chairman of Halachic Committee, Israel
    Harav Chanoch Ehrentreu, Shlit"a
    Chairman of Halachic Committee, Europe
    International Rabbinical Board
    Harav Leib Tropper
    Chairman of Rabbinic Committee
    Harav Doniel Neustadt
    Chairman of The Vaad of Detroit
    Harav Yoel Adelman
    Rav, Young Israel of Huntington
    Harav Nachum Eisenstein
    Chairman , Vaad Linyonei Giyur Haolomi - Jerusalem
    Harav Aharon Felder
    Rosh Bais Din, Philadelphia
    Harav Yaakov Kapelner
    Bais Din Daas Mishpat, Monsey
    Harav Mendel Senderovic
    Rosh Bais Din, Milwaukee
    Harav Dovid Shochet
    Senior Member of Toronto Bais Din
    Harav David Yosef
    Rosh Yeshiva, Yechave Daat, Jerusalem

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  2. Recipients and PublicityAugust 16, 2009 at 8:13 AM

    Technical note: At least we learn something new from the last line that says: "The Eternal Jewish Family is funded by the Lillian Jean Foundation, headed by Tom Kaplan" that this is one result of the recent USA court ruling that gave control of the original Lillian Jean KAPLAN Foundation to uncle Tom's nephew, leaving uncle Tom to scramble to come up with a new foundation through which to channle his giving and here it is, it's called the "Lillian Jean Foundation" minus the word "Kaplan" in it, which may only serve to confuse people as uncle Tom and his disowned nephew continue to spar with each by their philanthropic giving through two similarly-named yet rival family-owned and run foundations.

    In the end there may not be much difference between the global proselytizing agendas of the two "Lillian Jean" foundations.

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  3. TroppeRoni,

    While you dropped those names, can you tell us how much money (if any) each one of them gets for sitting on your board. It is fair question because apparently EJF is tax exempted organization.

    We also can see that you have a new name in your in house "beis din" Daas Mishpat. You replaced r' Rabinovitch with r' Kapelner. Can you share with us why?. Rumor has it (on this blog as well) that he objected to your proselytizing, So even after all the money you paid him eventually your proselytizing was too much for him.

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  4. Recipients and PublicityAugust 16, 2009 at 7:49 PM

    Tropper/Roni claims that: "They have their most MAASSE ENDORSEMENTS FROM THESE GEONIM! being partners in this organization!"

    Yet NOT ONE OF THEM has seen fit to write as much as a simple one line traditional haskoma or hamlotza on their official stationary, dated, signed and sealed, specifically approving or blessing the work and aims of EJF, especially the part of EJF's agenda that says it's now perfectly ok to "reach out" (proselytize) to unlimited numbers of goyim hitched to Jews of their own free accord and try to reel in the goyim in and even brainwash them if need be with free drinks and food, luxury hotel stays and lectures by highly-paid speakers in order to become converted followers of EJF and Tropper!

    Is that normal?

    Not to mention that NONE of these rabbonim, can cite or produce a written classical haskoma that would justify the new EJF approach of reaching out by proselytizing to GOYIM, going way beyond what traditional kiruv to Jews ever meant.

    All we have are the disjointed rants and pilpulei shel hevel of the krumme gillui Toirah shelo kehalacha of an anonymous poster here "Roni" who comes up with things that NOT ONE of the EJF's supposed rabbinic sponosrs has EVER said or written opnely and in public. If they did dare to repeat ANY OF Roni's red-herring drivel (often he just makes things up and says things over when they were never said or meant like he twists them to be) they would be laughed out by any bais medrash bochur in any case. So EJF is just trying to pass mickey mouse fake currency hoping that no one notices that they lack even the most minimal standard or requisite haskomas and Halachic teshuvus to justify a global agenda to reach out to millions, and as sosme of their Internet infomercials admit (as proven on this blog multiple times) even to billions of goyim, as long as for them EJF comes out on top. This is not Yiddishkeit, it is sheer madness.

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  5. Recipients and PublicityAugust 16, 2009 at 8:15 PM

    "Roni says...EJF Leadership"

    RaP: They are only a committee. They do not "lead" because everyone knows that EJF is a one or two man show, Tropper and Kaplan. The latter gives the gelt and the former spends it as he sees fit.

    "Harav Reuven Feinstein, Shlit"a
    President of Halachic Committee"

    RaP: It's well known by now that behind the scnes he does not agree with Tropper's ways and agenda. Does his brother Rav Dovid Feinstein approve of reaching out to goyim too, a la EJF proselytization on the Internet and where have you style?

    "Harav Shmuel Eliezer Stern, Shlit"a Chairman of Halachic Committee, Israel"

    RaP: What are his views about Rav Shternbuch and the full BADATS's open and published and reasoned clear-cut opposition to Tropper in Eretz Yisroel and the call NOT to be part of anything to do with the EJF? Can anyone clarify please?

    "Harav Chanoch Ehrentreu, Shlit"a
    Chairman of Halachic Committee, Europe"

    RaP: Why he needs the Tropper headache is anyone's guess.

    "International Rabbinical Board
    Harav Leib Tropper Chairman of Rabbinic Committee"

    RaP: Forget all the titles, he just likes to be chief honcho of anything he's in, otherwise he has no interest in it. Just a power-grabber man for all seasons.

    "Harav Doniel Neustadt Chairman of The Vaad of Detroit"

    RaP: What does he do ACTIVELY for and with EJF? Does he know that Tropper has insulted every last rov in the midwest, that includes Detroit, by saying that NONE of them can be regarded as a true posek that would negate anything this poor rabbi would say to Tropper or EJF?

    "Harav Yoel Adelman Rav, Young Israel of Huntington"

    RaP: Young Israel ??????

    "Harav Nachum Eisenstein Chairman , Vaad Linyonei Giyur Haolomi - Jerusalem"

    RaP: He has long distanced himself from Tropper's proselytization agenda. He also tries to control Tropper's way out ideas. He is blunter and more outspoken than Tropper in his opposition to Modern Orthodoxy. On this very blog Rav Eisenstein was quoted as saying that he knew nothing of a forged letter on his stationary produced by poster Roni/Tropper that Tropper allegedly copied from a still-to-be-produced Hebrew original that according to its signatories was not meant to be the attack letter that the forged English "version" turned out to be. Roni has yet to explain that and in addition to apologize for publishing aforgery. Even the great Dan Rather was forced to resign/fired from his illustreous post at CBS TV news when it was proven he forged a letter about George W. Bush's army service.

    "Harav Aharon Felder Rosh Bais Din, Philadelphia"

    RaP: He can do geirus without the help of Tropper and EJF as he was doing for years before Tropper came along and now uses his name needlessly.

    "Harav Yaakov Kapelner Bais Din Daas Mishpat, Monsey"

    RaP: A new head name for this outfit that is under Tropper's control after the previous guy quit. No credibility here!

    "Harav Mendel Senderovic Rosh Bais Din, Milwaukee

    Harav Dovid Shochet
    Senior Member of Toronto Bais Din"

    RaP: Like other long-standing roshei bais din they do not need to be taught or pestered or messed around and thereby have their names dragged into the mud by Tropper or his EJF cronies.

    "Harav David Yosef Rosh Yeshiva, Yechave Daat, Jerusalem"

    RaP: Hello, what does he want? Do Sefardim now also approve of mass attempts to proselytize to goyim and make them into ejf-style haredi junkies? Oh, and what has happened to all the other original rosh yeshivas who used to show up at the first eJF events, have they now all flown the coop leaving Tropper with just one unknown Sefardi lone voice whose claim to fame is that his father was Chief Rabbi of the Zionist state of Israel?

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  6. MT (RB),

    You are real a confused soul! R' Rabinowitch would fit the one bill that would invalidate the gerus because she wears pants or the like. But you will flip flop all the time, no matter what, if the target is one and only HaRav Tropper! too bad foryou and other critics here: he is successful and here to stay and bedarkey noam and bedarkey shalomyou and other critics can write here and aborad and in the most filthy places where you lash out with your prudeness).

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  7. Dt,

    Why do you again not show my posts against RAP?

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  8. 1) nothing beats your chapioship at krumkeyt, (saying tha tcukierkorn is wrong for "prosetyzing" and many other narrishe gems -like no source for basar oyf becholov),

    2) You never ever responded to me where you find the ISSUR of prosetyzing? At least Dt, with some background like a mesifta level says something (but also not enough to criticize Gedolim like Rav Reuven etc,), you just babble and send to your "sources" how "conversion is bad"!

    3) There are no "millions" being sprinkled by RT! and you are lying the way you describe their activityes and on an on,

    5) most importantly, that Rt actually protercts klal yisroel from the real prosetyzises the fake mass converters, like the rabbi in flatbush who did uncle's tom's nepheew's wife without any kabbalat hamtizvot (not your silly non existent "lenient" one) and on and on...

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  9. As usual Rap with his hypoerbole and chutzpah and distorted assertions:

    Roni says...EJF Leadership"

    RaP: They are only a committee. They do not "lead" because everyone knows that EJF is a one or two man show, Tropper and Kaplan. The latter gives the gelt and the former spends it as he sees fit.

    Roni: you could say what you want. they belong to organization! they run the hlaachik issues! they do more than endorsement! they are part of the organization!


    "Harav Reuven Feinstein, Shlit"a
    President of Halachic Committee"

    RaP: It's well known by now that behind the scnes he does not agree with Tropper's ways and agenda. Does his brother Rav Dovid Feinstein approve of reaching out to goyim too, a la EJF proselytization on the

    Roni: and it is well known by now that you live in LIES! you and Dt bring a signed piece of paper saying that (after your chutzpahdike attacks at him) and then we will talk! RAv Reuven's name appears there for years. He attends the conference in that capacity!


    "Harav Shmuel Eliezer Stern, Shlit"a Chairman of Halachic Committee, Israel"

    RaP: What are his views about Rav Shternbuch and the full BADATS's open and published and reasoned clear-cut opposition to Tropper in Eretz Yisroel and the call NOT to be part of anything to do with the EJF? Can anyone clarify please?

    Roni: Obviously he disagress WITH THEM! AND SO DOES HARAV WOSNER!

    "Harav Chanoch Ehrentreu, Shlit"a
    Chairman of Halachic Committee, Europe"

    RaP: Why he needs the Tropper headache is anyone's guess.

    roni: that is besides the point, mr krummer! The fact that he is part of the committee and is a partner in it!

    "Harav Doniel Neustadt Chairman of The Vaad of Detroit"

    RaP: What does he do ACTIVELY for and with EJF? Does he know that Tropper has insulted every last rov in the midwest, that includes Detroit, by saying that NONE of them can be regarded as a true posek that would negate anything this poor rabbi would say to Tropper or EJF?

    Roni: besides the point mr. krummer! The fact is that he belongs to the committee!

    "Harav Yoel Adelman Rav, Young Israel of Huntington"

    RaP: Young Israel ??????

    Roni: and what is *your* point?

    "Harav Nachum Eisenstein Chairman , Vaad Linyonei Giyur Haolomi - Jerusalem"

    RaP: He has long distanced himself from Tropper's proselytization agenda. ...."

    Roni: and blah blah blah ....After all your rants at him and how he is against your ideas and more....what is pertienent to our discussion is that HE IS PART OF THE ORGANIZATION!


    "Harav Aharon Felder Rosh Bais Din, Philadelphia"

    RaP: He can do geirus without the help of Tropper and EJF as he was doing for years before Tropper came along and now uses his name needlessly.

    rONI: aND so? MR KRUMMER? tHE FACT IS THAT REGARDLESS OF WHAT HE CAN DO WITHOUT rABBI tROPPER he is part of the organization!

    "
    "Harav Mendel Senderovic Rosh Bais Din, Milwaukee

    Harav Dovid Shochet
    Senior Member of Toronto Bais Din"

    RaP: Like other long-standing roshei bais din they do not need to be taught or pestered or messed around and thereby have their names dragged into the mud by Tropper or his EJF cronies.

    Roni: AS usual, WHAT IS YOUR POINT? The fact is that THEY ARE PART OF THE ORGANIZATION!

    "Harav David Yosef Rosh Yeshiva, Yechave Daat, Jerusalem"

    rONI: DITTO FOR HIM, HE IS PART OF THEORGANIZATION!

    You and Dt can say over and over "no haskamahs" and bobbeh mayssos and krummyten...the FACT WILL REMAIN RAV TROPPER HAS THE SUPPORT OF ALL AFOREMENTIONED RABBIS INCLDUING HARAV REVUEN FEINSTEIN

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  10. Recipients and PublicityAugust 17, 2009 at 5:12 PM

    Roni, a temper tantrum with virtual blind kicking and spitting at people, is not a subsititute for rational and calm discussions. You do EJF a huge dis-service when you "defend" EJF like a teenage gang that must be "protected" at all costs and all that you manage to do instead it to bury your own cause with your own irrational and red-herring screaming and shouting and insults by howling and ranting into the cyber-wind. Grow up.

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  11. MR krummer,

    Thanks for your advice! Continue your irrational hatred towards the man and you will do the greatest service for my client!

    Rabbi Tropper, suceeded to thwart fake conversions and will continue to succeed al apcho veal chamosscho!

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  12. Recipients and PublicityAugust 18, 2009 at 10:22 AM

    Roni says: "you will do the greatest service for my client!"

    To talk and act like you are a cheap deranged hired gun speaks volumes about how EJF operates, more like the mafia with its scare tactics and politics of destruction Nixonian-style against its "enemies list" which includes all Modern Orthodox rabbis, meaning the entire RCA whom Tropper hates, any Haredi rabbis who dislike the way they are belittled, like the mid-west rabbonim who were unceremoneously informed by Tropper that none of them could ever be regarded as poskim on his say-so, and the poor rabbis whose signatures were forged from a Hebrew original onto a photo-shopped English fakery as a letter against Bomzer without their knowing it and two of those rabbis then had to scramble to come up with "explanations" and apologies to Bomzer because they were tricked and their names were forged without them knowing it they were duped by Tropper's tricks. Keep it up, defend it all like a lawyer hired by the mafia, soon you will be in the museum of of self-appointed crooked lawyers defending vigilante policemen who went off the rails. Rav Reuven's hands are not clean either because uncle Tom's nephew handed him millions while he was at EJF and no one saw fit to let the rabbis in attendance know that while they were cluck-clucking about conversions, the co-founder and co-funder of EJF was himself married and having children with an unconverted woman. If that is not hypocrisy then nothing is.

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  13. o mr krummer from jupiter shooting from all sides with the shmootzike cuhhtzpah at haRav Feinstein...

    1) Thanks again for your deense of Rav Trooper.

    2) Who does not disqualify all RCa Rabbis,

    3) who has the backing of HaRav Reuven Feinstein, and you the mechutzaf have the temerity to besmirch him in the you are used to, becuase that is consonant to youe education that you do not respect Talmidey Chachomim, but crooks like the Rabbi of Faltbush whom all those signatories of the letter came out to warn not to be messader kiddushin to his converts! regardless of your krumee tiraes.

    4) and most importantly: haRav Tropper with the backing of HaRav Feinstein are working successfully to thwart the fake frauds by the likes of the Rabbi of Flatbush who made 40,000 to the relative of uncle tom's wife! whois enabled by your colleauges,

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  14. Recipients and PublicityAugust 19, 2009 at 11:00 AM

    Whatever. It is utterly tiresome to listen to Roni/Tropper hak in kop ("hammer away at") and never face up to EJF's mass proselytization agenda, that he skillfuly hides from the rabbonim with his "frumspeak" and krumme toirah, to reach millions of goyim hitched to secular Jews who couldn't be bothered with missionaries like Tropper trying to "convert" their goyishe spouses and that no one agrees with is a good idea, except Roni on this blog (Tropper has a new blog of his own to play with, but sadly he only to talks to himself on it). Torah-true Jews will never accept the wild idea that they must have unlimited amounts of Tropper's EJF geirim converted from mixed marriages stuffed down their throats [...]

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  15. krume voices from jupiter,

    "million" "stufed their throats" "hitched to secular jews" "proselytzation agenda" and on and on...

    Take a pill and call the doctor urgently1

    Thanks for defending Rav Tropper so vehemently!

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  16. You know, EJF might be a problem because of the authoritarin caracter many people say Rav Tropper has.

    But I do not think that it is an intrisic problem that an organisation like EJF exists to help spouses of jews convert to judaism in a halachically valid way.

    Because if you look at it, it is not EJF that is creating the "demand" or the pressure upon spouses of jews to convert to judaism. According to what I see around me, the pressure is in general exerted by the immediate family, mainly the jewish in-laws of the non-jewish spouse.

    I have the impression that the number of spouses converted by EJF are negligable compared to the number of spouses who choose other paths to convert.

    If you really want to be constructive, RaP and Daas torah, look to it that EJF includes a class about "Get refusal" (preferably by an agunah) in the curriculum.

    I think that by this you would achieve much more than by ranting on this blog.

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  17. So if you really want to attack the problem at the root, RaP and DT, you should run an vast awareness campaign directed to the parents, siblings and family members of Jews who decided to marry/live with a non-jew and tell them to leave the intermarried couple alone.
    Many modern-orthodox communities I know resort to exactely the same type of solutions as EJF, except that some of them are considerably less stringend as far as respect of Mitzwoth is concerned.

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