It is notable that Breuer had been more than a collaborator to Freud, who was 14 years younger, lending him money, referring patients to his practice, and welcoming him into his home. Yale historian Peter Gay, in his biography of Freud, wrote, “His disagreeable grumbling about Breuer in the 1890s is a classic case of ingratitude, the resentment of a proud debtor against his benefactor.”
Although Breuer’s cathartic method is considered a foundation of psychoanalysis and psychology, he never again provided psychological care after treating Anna O.
ReplyDeletehttps://www.goodtherapy.org/famous-psychologists/josef-breuer.html
Perhaps without Freud, this method wouldn't have seen the light of day
As R' Dr Hillel Goldberg documented in his PhD Dissertation, the first person to involve "der dunkl" ("the dark") in personal work was Rav Yisrael Salanter.
ReplyDeleteThis is simply not true
ReplyDeleteThe unconscious was a popular idea in the 1800's See the history in the Discovery of the Unconscious
I worded it very specifically. R Dr Goldberg shows that Mussar was the first program for self-change that focuses on changing what goes on unconsciously. Not the first to recognize it. (The term "der dunkel" appears in Kant.)
ReplyDeletehttps://books.google.com/books/about/Israel_Salanter_Text_Structure_Idea.html
Or a taste at
https://www.jstor.org/stable/2709203
The man wrote a thesis, his thesis advisors thought it made sense. Your rapid dismissal off two sentences I wrote about it is a bit presumptuous.
Wow so his thesis advisors must have known better than my professors
ReplyDeleteNietzsche was not a therapist, that's the point.
ReplyDeleteOppenheimer was called the father of the Bomb, but he didn't discover nuclear fusion.
Could very well be. But your desire to argue aside, all I said was that he (a professor) and his professors deserve having the opinion given more consideration than your snap judgement. You are acting like it couldn't even be a subject of debate...
ReplyDeleteYou also just ignored the distinction between R Goldberg's actual claim and the claim you were arguing against.
(If you've become this closed-minded, this visit back to your blog is short-lived.)
Who/where were your esteemed professors?
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ReplyDeleteIn other words the advisors never explicitly said they agreed with the contention - they merely ignored it and you are assuming they agreed?!
ReplyDeleteThey merely approved his research both for publication and as criterion for giving him a PhD. Yes, they agreed.
ReplyDelete(Have you ever even seen a PhD review panel? What kind of question was that?)
I could not find a single source other than Goldberg who makes this claim
ReplyDeleteIn other words he makes the claim but it clearly is not widely accepted independently
Yes I have
ReplyDeleteNot objecting is not the same as agreement or approval
In the total lack of additional voices asserting this - it can not be claimed it is approved or even acceptable
Sorry you feel offended but that is how research and ideas are done.
Did the Vikings discover America
Having an idea does not automatically make it into the collective bag of ideas
It is not being against him but merely stating the obvious - he did not have the impact that you imagine
You mean his PhD Dissertation was original research? What a surprise!!!
ReplyDeleteAnd for what it's worth, to get the PhD you have to convince the reviewing panel your research is valid. Not just get them to "not object".
In any case, I have no idea what your problem is with the idea. Who used the notion of working on the non-conscious as a means of personal change before Rav Yisrael?