Sunday, March 8, 2015

Mendel Epstein - Gittin by torture trial: An urgent request for as many people as possible to attend the trial

update reply to lawyer's comment below:Sunday March 8

Gut Voch Rav Eidensohn,

If you can kindly post a response to the lawyer who said that it is not recognizable as to which side we appear for. Kindly tell him that aside from the fact that our support would be evident, since we would be sitting on the side of the prosecution, I know for a fact that it does indeed make a difference.

Thanking you again,
Yossi

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I received the following information and urgent request from R' Yossi Frankel who has been attending the trial in Trenton. As my many posts show - this trial is very important in attacking the corruption that exists dealing with Gittin. Not only is there lynch mob justice, but women have been duped into thinking they can simply pay big bucks for a Get. They fail to realize that the Get is invalid and that children from other marriages will be mamzerim or at least sofek mamzerim.  Halacha has been presented as the independent domain of certain rabbis and for the right amount of money - Torah can be twisted into any shape desired. Please show by your presence that you want uncorrupted Torah and rabbis.

 Dear Rabbi Eidensohn,
I have been trying to get people to show up by the Epstein trials in Trenton. I ask you to post a request on your blog urging people to muster up every effort to show up. It is important for people to show up in show of support. In particular to impress upon the jury the urgency of the situation. Epstein's supporters have beefed up their show of support. We heard from law enforcement people and lawyers that a large community presence supporting the victims shows the jury that this the Jewish community is very concerned about stopping this lynch mob justice.

Epstein's supporters are well aware of the importance of supporters attending and they are making an effort to swing the case in their favor. In fact there were more people who showed up in support for Epstein than those who showed up for the victims. They had 14 people here. We had 4. Therefore we urge all those who can attend even minimally, to do so.

This case is important for another reason. If the court makes a deal with Epstein to turn in others involved in this scheme then the corruption in the area of gittin and dinai Torah will be significantly reduced.


Court info:
  •  U.S. Federal District Court 402 East State Street #2020, Trenton, NJ 08608
  • Courtroom 5E,
  • Judge Wolfson
  •  Court is generally from 9:30-1:00To resume next on Monday, 9:30
  • Parking near courthouse for 10.00
Traveling expenses to be reimbursed by those requesting it.

Any questions? You can email me (R' Yossi Frankel) or preferably call me at 848-299-8267

update ==========just received the following letter from a lawyer=============
 Rabbi Eidensohn,
The main issue I have with the post is that it ignores a seemingly obvious point – there is no way for the jury to know who you support when you attend a trial as a spectator.  Members of the public are not allowed to speak at all during the trial, and certainly not in the presence of the jury.  This isn’t like a baseball game where you can vocally cheer for your team or wear your teams’ colors.  I am sure if someone from the general public was “declaring” their position in the court, for example by bringing a sign, they would be quickly thrown out and perhaps cited for contempt.  Indeed, if frum people were to show up in larger numbers it is far more likely that the jury would assume they are supporters of Epstein because they look and are dressed exactly like Epstein. 

My second issue is that the facts are simply not true.  There is no massive showing of support for Epstein.  Other than opening statements, the courtroom has not been packed at all.  Epstein does have some family that regularly attends, but that is not at all unusual.  Additionally, the impact of the audience is very overstated.  The prosecution has been working on their case for quite some time, and in my opinion their case is going very well.

28 comments :

  1. How does how many people show up affect the trial?


    How does the jury or court know which people are showing up in support of the victims and which people are showing up in support of the perpetrators?


    So far, who has been showing up in court in support of Epstein's victims?


    How will showing up affect a plea deal - and who would a plea deal be beneficial to?

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  2. Its new jersey: mostly white, but over half women.

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  3. It seems to me that we fall to the level of the defendants if we seek to corrupt the justice system to suit our desires. That being said, a large contingent of the Marconi family from Argentina would like to attend. However, since they don't exist, there's no need to compensate their travel expenses. With the substantial amount of money saved (plane tickets are not cheap!), maybe you could bribe the judge?

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  4. Since the macaroni's don't exist, neither does Epstein's baloney. In order to balance out the observers that do exist, no need to bribe the judge. The open court system, is just doing that, for us to see the justice in the making. The more the spotlight that exists, the more weight and consideration for the Jurors to work harder fetching the truth! Just come in hords, the more the merrier.

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  5. For anyone willing to carpool in support of the victims, please give your coordinates, time and contact number on this blog. No more NEVOLO kazos beYisrael.

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  6. Do you think this is NYS supreme (matrimonial) court (where there have been several cases of bribed judges; no one is interested in prosecuting, or debarment or similar)?

    Federal court is different. (In fact, if we can somehow transfer our matrimonial cases to federal court, it would be much fairer. Undortunately, matrimony is strictly a state issue, and federal judges are not stupid to get involved in such petty matters.)

    These judges are not bribable. (There was one case a few years ago of a federal judge from down south who was caught. It went to congress, who impeached him, but declined to throw him off the bench. He is now a respected member of the congressional black caucus. Even sticks his nose into anti israel issues.)

    In short, federal judges may be messed up like other judges, but not bribable.

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  7. Today with internet and PACER and Blogs we follow very well and show our support. I downloaded Stahl's 3/3/2015 letter to Judge Freda Wolfson. Wow:

    let me quote a paragraph:

    "U.C. has a strong bias against his ex-wife. He has great incentive and motive to lie in this trial to seek to undo the get that she used to re-marry and have new children. He can use his fabrication in this court to reassert the same power over her that he lost when the get was delivered to her. He also can use this testimony as a threat to regain his financial leverage over her, by seeking to invalidate the get as coerced under the law of the United States. As stated above, since U.C.'s ex-wife is now remarried, providing that the get was not valid (kosher) could lead to all sorts of terrible legal, social and moral consequences for her and the children she has with her new husband."

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  8. Adultery is a grave and serious sin. The Torah states that the penalty
    in court (after warning and with proof of premeditation) is death.

    I quote:

    If a man is found lying with
    another man’s wife, both of them—the man and the woman with whom he lay—shall
    die. Thus you will sweep away evil from Israel (Deuteronomy 22:22).

    Also:

    If a man commits adultery with
    a married woman, committing adultery with another man’s wife, the adulterer and
    the adulteress shall be put to death (Leviticus 20:10).

    I notice on Agunah International website
    the women complain bitterly of their husbands’ unfaithfulness. This is not a proper matter to complain to
    Agunah International to start their lynch party. Agunah International is like the passerby who
    sees a wife enraged at her husband and takes the wife’s side and makes the
    fighting worse. I apply A passerby who
    gets embroiled in someone else’s quarrel Is like one who seizes a dog by its
    ears(Proverbs 26:17).

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  9. Who is U.C. and what was the story with his Get? Was it coerced?


    And who is Stahl?

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  10. Stahl is one of the liars (oops, lawyers) in this case. UC must be the former Mrs C.

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  11. I’m writing in response to:

    “Not only is there lynch mob
    justice, but women have been duped into thinking they can simply pay big bucks
    for a Get. They fail to realize that the Get is invalid and that children from
    other marriages will be mamzerim or at least sofek mamzerim.”

    Agunah International states: “Our Mission: To free women trapped in dead marriages by
    recalcitrant husbands who refuse to grant a Get.”

    The marriages are “dead” because
    the women are enraged of their husbands’ unfaithfulness.

    Marriages are “dead” only with a kosher get or with death as
    stated:

    Talmud - Mas. Kiddushin 2a



    C H A P T E R I




    Mishnah. A woman is
    acquired [in marriage] in three ways and acquires her freedom in two. She is
    acquired by money, by deed, or by intercourse. by money: Beth Shammai maintain,
    a denar or the worth of a denar; beth hillel rule, a perutah or the worth of a
    perutah. and how much is a perutah? An eighth of an italian issar. And she
    acquires her freedom by divorce or by her husband's death. a yebamah is
    acquired by intercourse, and acquires her freedom by halizah or by the yabam's
    death.

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  12. bishvili_nivraisiMarch 6, 2015 at 4:06 PM

    a little science experiment:

    take all those who have the spare time to travel to Trenton for trial

    what is their marital status today?

    what is their marital status 3 years from today?

    what is their marital status 10 years from today?

    Compare their divorce rate to equivalent peer demographic divorce rate

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  13. Ha Ha, I wish,


    I was once included in a Jury with a beard and black yarmulka in a suit against an insurance company.

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  14. The Torah authorized Courts, under
    strict circumstances, to administer corporal punishment:

    When there is a dispute between
    men and they go to law, and a decision is rendered declaring the one in the
    right and the other in the wrong—if the guilty one is to be flogged, the
    magistrate shall have him lie down and be given lashes in his presence, by
    count, as his guilt warrants. He may be given up to forty lashes, but not more,
    lest being flogged further, to excess, your brother be degraded before your
    eyes. (Deuteronomy 25:1-3). Rashi says from here is the warning against
    blows to a companion.





    Teiltelbaum testifies that one of
    Epstein’s gang punched him in the face. Outside of the strict circumstances for
    a court, striking people and certainly torturing them are clear violations of
    the Torah. The negative command: “but not more” means a
    prohibition of anyone striking his fellow.

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  15. The Torah authorized Courts


    The key word being a valid court. A kangaroo court comprised of thugs-for-hire is not a court, under any circumstances. They would be getting beaten by beth din for beating other people.

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  16. That would be highly irrelevant and a waste of time. Take statistics after this
    trial is over, how many more crooked rabonim will be megaleh ponim batorah shelo
    kehalocha, kangaroo botei dinim will prevail, karate chopper dayonim be happy go lucky, how many rabbinate
    organizations will consist with peeper rabonim, gitei meussa's, kisvei siruv for
    phantom husbands, mamzerim factories, how many more umglikliche yesomim ripped
    away from the fathers arms, and last but not least, how many more such sadisitic
    beatings will we spare from yiddishe husbands? You will find that no more such
    beatings will EVER occur in the US of A. NO more trigger happy vagabond miscreant Goon
    Squads will breathe freely roaming the streets, hooded or un hooded. This guy
    will be released only in a body bag.

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  17. bishvili_nivraisiMarch 8, 2015 at 4:48 PM

    just to be clear , I meant anyone who takes time out of their "busy" day, to appear in Trenton.


    To support either side.


    Statistically and actuarially, they are most likely to get divorced. So , don't go. For either side.


    Unless you are in Kollel, of course

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  18. Right, beating other people makes Epstein et al thugs-for-hire and they should be given lashes---a maximum of 39, for fear of violating "but not more" by a miscount.

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  19. The Universal Declaration of Human Rights

    Why haven't I read much about the HARASSMENTS of ORA being
    charged in court.The LAW of the LAND is, that Those conspiring to violate any one of the articles shall also be charged, brought to Justice and pay the
    consequences.

    No one is above the LAW!
    The following are amongst the gross violations of human and civil
    rights.

    Article 3.

    Everyone has the right to life, liberty and security of person.

    Article 5.

    No
    one shall be subjected to torture or to cruel, inhuman or degrading treatment or punishment.

    Article 12.

    No
    one shall be subjected to arbitrary interference with his privacy, family, home
    or correspondence, nor to attacks upon his honour and reputation. Everyone has the right to the protection of the law against such interference or attacks.

    Article 13.

    (1)
    Everyone has the right to freedom of movement and residence within the borders of each state.

    Article 16.

    (1)
    Men and women of full age, without any limitation due to race, nationality or
    religion, have the right to marry and to found a family. They are entitled to
    equal rights as to marriage, during marriage and at its dissolution.

    (2)
    Marriage shall be entered into only with the free and full consent of the
    intending spouses.

    (3)
    The family is the natural and fundamental group unit of society and is entitled
    to protection by society and the State.

    Article 17

    1.
    No one shall be subjected to arbitrary or unlawful interference with his
    privacy, family, home or correspondence, nor to unlawful attacks on his honour and reputation.

    2.
    Everyone has the right to the protection of the law against such interference or
    attacks.

    Article 18.

    Everyone
    has the right to freedom of thought, conscience and religion; this right
    includes freedom to change his religion or belief, and freedom, either alone or in community with others and in public or private, to manifest his religion or
    belief in teaching, practice, worship and observance.

    Article 23

    1.
    The family is the natural and fundamental group unit of society and is entitled
    to protection by society and the State.

    .....
    4.
    States Parties to the present Covenant shall take appropriate steps to ensure equality of rights and responsibilities of spouses as to marriage, during marriage and at its dissolution. In the case of dissolution, provision shall be made for the necessary protection of any children.

    Article 30.

    Nothing in this Declaration may be interpreted as implying for any State, GROUP or PERSON any right to engage in any activity or to perform any act aimed at the destruction of any of the rights and freedoms set forth herein.

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  20. and they should be given lashes---a maximum of 39


    They would receive those lashes hundreds of times. One set for each of their many, many, many violations. That's besides for the many, many other punishments that they would receive. People who go around beating people up and pretending to be a "bet-din" would be incarcerated as well, as they are an extreme danger to society. This is from the isolated cases where the halacha would actually incarcerate people.

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  21. Rabbi Eidensohn, Since you have people you are in touch with that are attending the trial, can you post daily updates on what is happening? what the tone is etc?

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  22. @Ari - no one has agreed to the job

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  23. a shud. I check online every day to see if there r updates but there generally are not. the bottom line is the frum oilam has a much bigger interest in this than the secular world.

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  24. Does PACER have the verbatim transcripts of each day's court session?

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  25. If people would show up, the media will also gain interest. bau behamoneichem. Bahamon Am hadras Melech.

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  26. This rabbi and his associates are a disgrace
    to the jewish people.
    This appears to be all about money.
    Hopefully, they will be convicted.

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  27. These are phoney rabbis.
    They ripped off ladies who came
    to them for their help.
    But i do believe that the ladies
    should also be prosecuted.
    They knew vey well what they
    were paying for.
    I am sure no jury in their right mind
    would believe that they are not guilty.
    This is a very easy case for the jury.

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  28. 100% agree with you, as do the vast majority of people.

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