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Leaders of the anti-Zionist Satmar hassidic sect were enraged after an Israeli Satmar girls summer camp were spotted visiting an IDF museum, Behadrei Haredim reports.
The Armoured Corps Museum in Latrun, near Modiin, is built on the site of a famous battle during the War for Independence in 1948 and memorializes Israel's tank corps. Early this week, photos surfaced of hundreds of hassidic girls enjoying a field trip at the site, which caused widespread condemnation throughout the anti-Israel community.
Satmar, known as one of the most dogmatically anti-Zionist Hassidic sects, refuses to recognize the State of Israel and calls on members living in Israel not to vote in national elections, even for haredi parties and not to accept any funding from the state, including National Insurance payments
Following an outcry from followers in both Israel and the United States, the Satmar leadership in Israel released a statement apologizing for the visit and explained that the girls had entered the tank museum because it was the only way to get to the nearby Latrun Park.
"When the students with the buses arrived there, they were not allowed to enter through there, but were brought down through the entrance of the impure army museum near the park," read the missive.
WHO WILL MARRY THEM NOW???
ReplyDeleteBaruch Hashem that there are still people who steadfastedly stand by their Torah true hashkafos.
ReplyDeleteA plain reading of the story indicates that some people may have jumped to a conclusion.
ReplyDeleteEither that, or some people justifying the walk through the museum are lying.
It's just a news report. So I don't want to read too much into it. But my first reaction wasn't people standing steadfast. It was more people engaging purity spiraling.
Unless you are being sarcastic and I missed it.
Just saying.
If their parents own enough real estate, it's not a problem.
ReplyDeleteThe steadfastedness is that this occurrence bothered then rather than simply writing it off as a not-so-bad incident that could be ignored but would, with time, eventually weaken their shitta.
ReplyDeletePoint taken.
ReplyDeleteIf the girls got wind of the discontent, it would help to reinforce the message they've presumably been taught to stay far away from the trappings of the State to the extent possible.
I don't envy the Satmar for having that policy of not engaging with the State. Where do they draw the line? They can't totally disengage -- that would necessitate not using the roads, the money, the utlities like water and electricity, as well as never calling the police.
Ultimately, they can be congratulated for their effort to remain untouched by the State but ultimately they are immersed in it, whether they like it or not.
I don't know the exact parameters, but they have certain guidelines on those issues. Roughly (but probably not exactly) speaking, I think it somewhat works out to if it is a service or function that pre-existed the State, they'll utilize it. While they do not vote in state elections, they do vote in municipal elections. The roads, utilities, even the airport all existed under the British Mandate, even if they've obviously been improved upon since.
ReplyDeletemunicipal elections?
ReplyDeleteI heard that many Years ago, they would not use the State currency in mea Shearim. So is it a purely dollar economy? Even in the Palestinian territories, Hama and PA use shekels as their currency .
So when the new train line to tel Aviv opens in the fall, satmar won't use it?
ReplyDeleteRav Amram Bloi issued his own currency, exchangeable at a particular shtieble between 8PM and 10PM.
ReplyDeleteSupposedly, no one ever went to exchange it.
he is saying they had this infrastructure under the British and Ottomans. The new train line is just a faster version of the Ottoman line :)
ReplyDeleteeddie, no it isn't. That is the point. The old British train went from Talpiot to Malka and through the mountains. The new train is a completely new path having absolutely nothing to do with the old line.
ReplyDeletethey can find an excuse for anything
ReplyDeletewhen they start serving in the army, they will say the British had an army here, and in Hungary they served in the Hungarian army when press ganged, so this is no different...
That is fine, as long as everyone understands that the restrictions are a joke and have no effect in reality; one big "k'ilu we boycott state institutions".
ReplyDeleteGee I wonder why.
ReplyDelete". So is it a purely dollar economy?"
ReplyDeleteNope. I've been there I have no idea how many times and always pay in NIS.
do they still fly Royal Jordanian to Amman?
ReplyDeleteI've been on flights (Continental) to Ben Gurion. Re Amman: That must be a new thing. What did they do before the peace treaty?
ReplyDeleteThis is what I read many years ago, and it was possibly in the early days of the State. Imagine the Satmar and/or NK who do not recognize anything Israeli, so they are effectively palestinians who follow the Jewish faith. Palestinians can cross over the Jordanian border into the "west bank".
ReplyDeleteAgain, i am talking about the most extreme. A Satmar businessman I met a few years ago was too busy being a shrewd businessman to have time to attack the Zionists :)