Monday, September 9, 2013

Woman who testified against Weberman driven out of shul Rosh HaShanna


NY Post    The brave Orthodox Jewish teen whose testimony helped convict the prominent Brooklyn counselor who had sexually abused her was driven out of her own synagogue on Rosh Hashana last week.

The married, 18-year-old victim was in the Williamsburg synagogue where her family has prayed for the past decade when a man yelled, “Moser, out of the shul!” the woman’s husband told The Post on Sunday.

The word “moser” refers to a Jew who informs on another Jew to secular authorities.
“They stopped the praying until she left,” said her husband, Boorey Deutsch, 26. “Some woman tried telling my wife to stay there and not leave. She shouldn’t care what they say. But my wife ended up leaving.” 
“She felt horrible and mistreated. They treat survivors as if they are the abusers,” Deutsch fumed to The Post.

Deutsch and his wife have suffered harassment ever since she first accused Nechemya Weberman, 54, of sexually abusing her after she was sent to him for counseling as a 12-year-old. [...]

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  1. It's nice to know that under the black hats and coats we're just another closed-minded self-righteous ethnic group.

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    1. My rabbi said, "When a Jew falls, he falls lower than a Gentile." In America, you'll never see Gentile communities rallying to defend convicted rapists and child abusers.

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    2. No one is rallying for the purpose of defending a rapist or child abuser. His supporters are (emphatically) stating he is innocent and falsely convicted.

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    3. How do his supporters know that he is innocent?

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    4. Due to an utter lack of evidence.

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    5. But where is the evidence that his victim is lying? How do his supporters know this?

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    6. You can't convict someone solely on the claims of his accuser. And that is exactly what occurred in this case.

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    7. That doesn't answer my question.

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    8. Proof of guilt is required (something that is lacking in this case.) No defendant need prove his innocence.

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    9. That still doesn't answer my question.

      Your side claims that Weberman is innocent, which implies that the victim is lying. How can you be sure that she is lying?

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    10. WOW! TSHUVA NITZACHAS KEDEI LEHOYTZI MILABAN SHEL TZEDOYKIM.

      Look what his all these organizations have what to say, including his own! And much much more.

      http://frumfollies.wordpress.com/2013/02/07/how-and-why-satmar-exaggerates-its-political-influence/
      Now they are resigned to his fate and they are not even seriously trying to raise money for his appeal.


      http://frumfollies.wordpress.com/2013/02/06/3877/
      They said that the community will not give any more money for Weberman’s appeal, and no one wants to give a penny...

      WOW! TSHUVA NITZACHAS KEDEI LEHOYTZI MILABAN SHEL TZEDOYKIM.

      Look what his all these organizations have what to say, including his own! And much much more.

      http://frumfollies.wordpress.com/2013/02/07/how-and-why-satmar-exaggerates-its-political-influence/
      Now they are resigned to his fate and they are not even seriously trying to raise money for his appeal.


      http://frumfollies.wordpress.com/2013/02/06/3877/
      They said that the community will not give any more money for Weberman’s appeal, and no one wants to give a penny...

      We know Weberman and .... are guilty and we are throwing them under the bus and not raising any money for them. But could you just ease up on the sentencing of Weberman and .... so we can save face with our constituents?

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  2. Shofet kol Ho'oretsSeptember 9, 2013 at 9:44 PM

    Shoimu Shamayim! Haratsachto vegam yarashto?
    I don't pity him. See what happens to whoever it was or his family through divine intervention. Wonder whether he will be motsi shnoso. Our hearts go out for her. She has all our support, and I ask you all, please stand up and be counted, "Mi laShem elay". This so called torah rapist, let him rot in jail, he got what he deserved. For all the cohorts I must say, kemahapechas sdom vamoira admo utzvoyim sreifo kol artso. Tarred and feathered. On Rosh Hashana? Have you no shame? Have you no decency. I bet you tzarich bedika achrav...

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  3. She got what she deserved.

    And it is a religious house of worship. They have the constitutional right to boot off their private property anyone they deem appropriate to do so. I am glad they exercised that property right and constitutional right to free religion.

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    1. Rabbi C,

      Who are u?

      1- A child molester who fears our children will soon no longer be hefker for sick sexual pleasures?

      2- Afraid that one of your relatives will be arrested soon and you are more concerned for your relative than for children and teenagers being raped?

      3- Or you just feel secular intrusion and law enforcement is higher priority to keep out and better for your Kahila &/or Yeshiva Business's bottom line in the short term? And you are not very concerned that children and Judaism gets sacrificed for the long term?

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    2. Rabbi Concerned:

      #1 is you.

      And #2 is your family.

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    3. or 4- Are you just an independent public relations professional hired by 1-3 above to run the pro-molester lobbying efforts. And acting as a mercenary for the highest bidder with little regards to Jewish children being raped.

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    4. #4 is what you are engaging in.

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    5. Poseach al shnei haseifimSeptember 10, 2013 at 11:13 PM

      It was her constitutional right to have a trial by Jury, and had him set behind bars after finding him GUILTY, even according to 'dina demalchusse dina' according to the RASHBA'A. A Bet Hamidrash, lefi daynei vedinei Yisrael, IS a public place and not grounds for NEKAMA, especially on YOM HADIN. LaHashem Ha'Aretz umloah, Ki li kol haAretz, kapish, and I do not mean the name of the Shul, fershteist. C? much more likely an X.

      This saga is a repeat of Kamtza bar kamtza, on top of Pilegesh beGivah, You spill the blood of a whole Mishpacha beYisrael. Because of you and your ilk, nechreva Beis Mikdoshenu, and have learnt nothing. Do you think with your CHUTZPA yasgei, you will bring the Geulah? Much more likely another Churban. It pains my heart to no end and brings me choking with tears to read such on Asseres yemei tshuva, how stupid can you get. I dare you, Chazor bach, NOW! If you know what's good for you, ask for mechilah, before poga becho yom hadin.

      One more thing for you, Dina was more than persona Grata to Hashem. The whole city of Schem (Nablus)got wiped out, ki navala assa beYisrael. You do not own the neighborhood. According to the constitution, it is a free country, freedom of expression, free of any aggression, especially of the tora-bora therapy kind.

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    6. Most contemporary mainstream poskim in the regular Orthodox Rabbonim hold mesira is applicable in America as it was in Soviet/Russia. Therefore she is guilty of that and must face the halachic consequences.

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    7. All contemporary poskim hold that one must keep Shabbos so?

      The fact is that she was not guilty of mesira

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    8. Nakamura

      Why is reporting a rapist mesirah?

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    9. All the Yidden of the world that are Shomer Torah umitzvot hold, that Lo Tirtsach, Lo Tinof, Lo taamod al dam reacha is applicable for Children as well as for Adults, Hen Ba'aretz veHen beChutz La'aretz ubechol haOlam Kulo, Bein Bayom ubein Balayla, bein beYom Tov, ubein kol shaar yemot haShana. And if you do the crime, you must do the time. Since he rots away in Prison, he is guilty as hell. For those that are mosif chet al pesha, upetza al petza, ein lahem takano olamit, veyodonu bekaf haKela lediraon olam.

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    10. If as stated Weberman is innocent, then she is a moser.

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    11. Had weberschmutz been innocent, it would have been an ALILA. Had his grandma have wheels, she could have been a wheelchair.

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    12. Dear C,

      I think you are 100% wrong. Since when does Halacha take a back seat to the U.S. constitution? If the kehilla had "constitutional rights" then so does this woman! You need to be consistent; either Halacha or U.S. Law; but you cannot claim "constitutional rights" for the kehilla and ignore this woman's constitutional rights.

      Are you 100% sure that the kehilla had the right to embarrass a person in public? How can you be so sure that this woman "got what she deserved?"

      If we Jews would discipline our own through the batei dinim, fewer of these tragic episodes would be publicized.

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  4. I can't understand why she would still want to associate with Satmar after what they did to her. They must REALLY brainwash people into thinking satmar is the only acceptable form of Judaism, if a person whom they violated and attacked still wants to daven in their shuls and associate with their community when there are hundreds of other orthodox shuls, chassidic groups, etc who would openly accept her as a congregant.

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    1. Student V,

      The witness against Weberman and her husband no longer live in Williamsburg. The shul is not Satmar, but another hasidic group. They spent Yom Tov in Williamsburg to be with her family. They went to a shul they had gone to in the past. Are you saying, that this couple should accede to hooligans who want to completely marginalize them. Clearly, they are better off living in another community where they are more accepted, Still sometimes you need to visit a neighborhood.

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    2. Oh I was under the impression from the article that it was a satmar place. I apologize.

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    3. Let her realize she is persona non grate in her parents neighborhood.

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    4. Let the sick members of that congregation do teshuva!

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    5. They are insisting that she do teshuva.

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    6. They think she (and her supporters) are sick.

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    7. C

      You have yet to provide any justification for publicly shaming another Jew, let alone before Tekiyas Shofar

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    8. Howard,

      A woman who falsely accuses a man of a crime that gets him a killer sentence is akin to a murderess and deserves no sympathy.

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    9. @ Chaim

      if so, why has tora bora therapist claim that he himself is going for Therapy?

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    10. Hetech: He never claimed any such thing.

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    11. @Chaim
      But the Enabling ra bonim did! Just don't tell me that there is no ra and are no banim. BTW, are you for real, or never happened. No need to answer that.

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    12. No, none of the rabbonim made any such claim.

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    13. You just keep on conveniently denying anything and everything. Too bad he didn't use you as an attorney. Reality is unfortunately different, there is a Judge, Jury and a Court system in place, and the people have spoken. Why don't you get yourself a copy of the transcripts and give it a shot, you can make a half mil just like that. You truly sound like a Dream of an advocate. I mean the Chalomot BeAspamya kind, fershteist. Pishn iin shlufen gayn.

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    14. You just keep on conveniently accusing him and everything and think that makes him guilty. Reality is very different. Yesh Din V'Yesh Dayin.

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    15. Harbeh shlichim lamakom, and has dan him for life, these are the facts on the ground rock solid my friend. It is didan notzach all the way. This weberNoMan, has left his fingerprints with blue firemarks on her body y'm's'v', as well as many other eishes ish and bnos Yisrael he treated with his voodoo witchcraft.

      Please be aware that it is not I, that is accusing him, but the Jury and the System rightfully so, never mind convenience.
      Let's preface with this clarification first.
      His word against her word is yet not the end of the story. We first heard her allegations what she has to say. He then had his day in court to refute. Her words against his have been substantiated in front of a Jury. He had NO words at all to deny as to the truth of her words when the allegations and accusations have been presented to him. The Defense cross examined the victim for 4 torturous complete days, something unheard of, she stood her ground fast without wavering, the Defense wasn't able to put a dent, ve'hele cheress beyado. Again, the Jury found her testimony very credible. That is not her word against his, it is We The People, the Judge, Jury and the Law of the Land all in concert peh echod belev echod, found her words against his, credible. Indeed, there was a long line of brave women and children in the wings to testify against him, should it be called for. The Defense was barking up the wrong tree in quest for Adam's Apple, Eitz hadaas, Noah's Ark and Vinyard, only to find kotzim vedardarim instead. The whole geshmir, kit & caboodle and Hobele-vantz consisted of only bashing, so as to break her into submission, and this backfired big time. Let me spoon feed you some more Chrein leiluy ruchoi for Shulchon orech while we are at it. The brick and mortar against his non-words.

      1) Tviat etzbaot,

      2) Tviat eina eine 'bekole ilan'

      3) umdene demochiche his MO to other eishes ish that witnessed in front of Rabbonim, he burned his victims with his cigaret lighter.

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    16. 4) He took her for a joy ride of over 12 hours in spite of mother's and victim's protests. Indeed, he requested a written apology for that so that he can show it for Beis Din shel malaa his heter of kuf nun shkorim, phooey, Afra lepimei! Kivyachol goinev daas elyon.

      5) Complaints of sexual abuse about this meatball has been submitted to both brothers by many Mothers, but they all left Bepachei Nefesh and absolutely nothing has been done about it to stop it. It is not his word against hers. It his non-words against a whole host of accusers. Actually, along the whole cross examination he had NO word against hers, outside of becoming White, Blue, n his nose, face Red as a chilli pepper n dynamically growing bigger than Pinocchio's . Veal kaze neemar Nikorim divrei haEmes, of which is a halacha psuka beShulchan Aruch.

      6) 'Umdene deMochicha' is no less of a halacha psuka in Shulchan Aruch.
      Where there is smoke there is fire. Where does a tora (tartei mashma = an ox) therapist come to take a supposed client for an outing of colored Bra shopping, ice cream licking, joy rides etc. Of course you deny, deny, deny, conveniently so. But again, it is not her word against his, there are video pictures from the store's security camera, and recipts from his vaad hatzviess credit card purchases. Hard facts on the ground, my friend.

      7) She has tested positive for PTSD, substantiating her complaints and allegations.

      8) A Jury found 59 counts alleged against him even before it went to trial. Again, it was not only her words, but a whole Jury of 12 people.

      Did ask yourself, why would they offer a half a Million Dollars to make it go away, if he really wasn't guilty as charged? Should I go through the whole trial with a tooth comb, hazman yichle vehem lo yichlu.

      I understand that for saving face nothing will convince you, what is important that the Jury was convinced and found him Guilty beyond a shadow of a doubt, and they have spoken, our children are now safer with him out of the way. Now, that is what you call reality.

      And for the finishing touch R' Yossele PR, yes indeed like you said what reality is, Iss Din, ve'Iss DAyan, and has placed him where he belongs. As a side note, does the new DAyan also have a PR position for you in his cabinet. Please, no need to answer that.

      And for you my friend, Anonymous Kloynimus, sorry, but no translation for you.

      A Ksiive vaChasime toive, and have a Kusheren Paysach.

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    17. My apologies for reversing, ein mukdam umeuchar :)

      yg part 1

      Harbeh shlichim lamakom, and has dan him for life, these are the facts on the ground rock solid my friend. It is didan notzach all the way. This weberNoMan, has left his fingerprints with blue firemarks on her body y'm's'v', as well as many other eishes ish and bnos Yisrael he treated with his voodoo witchcraft.

      Please be aware that it is not I, that is accusing him, but the Jury and the System rightfully so, never mind convenience.
      Let's preface with this clarification first.
      His word against her word is yet not the end of the story. We first heard her allegations what she has to say. He then had his day in court to refute. Her words against his have been substantiated in front of a Jury. He had NO words at all to deny as to the truth of her words when the allegations and accusations have been presented to him. The Defense cross examined the victim for 4 torturous complete days, something unheard of, she stood her ground fast without wavering, the Defense wasn't able to put a dent, ve'hele cheress beyado. Again, the Jury found her testimony very credible. That is not her word against his, it is We The People, the Judge, Jury and the Law of the Land all in concert peh echod belev echod, found her words against his, credible. Indeed, there was a long line of brave women and children in the wings to testify against him, should it be called for. The Defense was barking up the wrong tree in quest for Adam's Apple, Eitz hadaas, Noah's Ark and Vinyard, only to find kotzim vedardarim instead. The whole geshmir, kit & caboodle and Hobele-vantz consisted of only bashing, so as to break her into submission, and this backfired big time. Let me spoon feed you some more Chrein leiluy ruchoi for Shulchon orech while we are at it. The brick and mortar against his non-words.

      1) Tviat etzbaot,

      2) Tviat eina eine 'bekole ilan'

      3) umdene demochiche his MO to other eishes ish that witnessed in front of Rabbonim, he burned his victims with his cigaret lighter.

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    18. The girl admitted last week that she made up a portion of the allegations.

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    19. Not sure why Vic posted this, making up stories and laughing about it. He is acting wierd for awhile. Can anybody please explain before he gets back to work next week? I'm concerned.

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    20. Vic: She didn't admit she made everything up. She claims only part of it was made up.

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    21. You are getting sloppySeptember 18, 2013 at 1:20 AM

      Chaim, Vic:

      You are confusing which blog you are on? You wrote the exactly the same thing as Vic above. Be careful, you are getting sloppy. The pro-molester lobby will not pay you as much for sloppy work.

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  5. CHARLES HYNES LOST!!! HE IS OUT!!!

    BARUCH HASHEM!!!

    After how Charles Hynes screwed and railroaded an innocent man -- Nechemya Weberman -- I am so glad he has been voted out. Someone who did what he did by falsely accusing and winning a conviction with no evidence received A WELL DESERVED LOSS!

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    1. Scott,

      Understand Hynes lost for so many failings in spite of doing the right thing in the Weberman case (because he was caught with his pants down on orthodox sex abuse by the New York Times).

      Scott, I have a question for you. I am assuming you know the saying, "Money talks." I also assume you know how much importance Jews place on pidyon shvuyim, especially Satmar Hasidim when it comes to their own when they are arrested. I assume you know that appeals cost money. I assume you realize that Weberman would be filing appeals, if he could afford it, faster than a glib shatz for a baalabatim minyan when it's running behind schedule.

      So Scott, why hasn't Weberman filed a single motion or appeal since his conviction.

      Scott, in case you are dense or in denial: here is the explanation. Nobody in Williamsburg or Boro Park donated enough money to pay for appeals. Not gornisht, but not to even file a single motion.

      So you may ask, why haven't people in Satmar publicly declared that he is guilty. If you don't know the community, let me explain. In most of the Haredi world, no one ever admits mistakes. Even the entire machzor of Yom Kippur is what they say but they do not seem to really understand it. They especially don't admit mistakes to the outside. But those in the know, know. Hamayvin Yavin. The simanim are clear. No more money for his legal defense and no more public arguments on his behalf. The Satmar establishment even forgave Hynes and endorsed him in the last minute.

      Scott, you are either part of Weberman's shrinking inner circle or you are an ignorant outsider.

      In Williamsburg and KJ, the Weberman case is over, not because they all believe the witness on her own word, but because too many of their daughters, sisters, wives, nieces, and neighbors have corroborated the account of the witness in the trial with parallel accounts and have proven their claims by showing their burn marks.

      Scott, you are wasting your time defending Weberman. If you want to help get him out of jail, contribute to the cheverah kadishah.

      As for that awful episode on rosh hashanah, it wasn't about believing Weberman is innocent. It was about the communal view, a very sick one, that better such a man goes on raping their girls than that a Jew should testify against their own in court.

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    2. Lopin: You couldn't be more wrong in your assumptions. The appeal will be filed before deadline. It is being worked on as we speak and has been heavily worked upon by numerous lawyers for months already. It will be filed with the best appealable elements giving it the best shot for victory.

      Better a winning appeal than a quick appeal.

      A major fundraiser was held for him, as you well know, with lots of publicity. That appeal raised a boatload of money that is still paying for the current legal work. And a lot more additional money has come into his legal defense fund since, as well. All his supporters from before the trial are still his supporters today. And as you know, and saw the major turnout for the fundraiser and vocal community support for him from the common people on the street, he has a tremendous amount of support.

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    3. Sorry to burst your bubble. Do not mistake facts for assumptions. There has been no latter appeal after depleting the so called missile crisis fiasco, no one is is willing to give for a guilty and lost cause as they informed the Judge. It is Esrogim after Sukkot, there is changing of the guards already in the works, you have no prayer. It would be wise to stop beating a dead horse. Ad matay ata osseh bnot Yisrael ve'eishes ish baalei mumim? It is mandatory to keep our brethren safe and out of harms way. BTW, why do you allegedly have to wait for the last supposed minute to submit an alleged appeal?

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  6. Actually, Hynes is NOT out. He is still running for DA as the Republican candidate in the Nov. general election.

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    1. Hynes disagrees!

      As reported by NBC

      http://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/Brooklyn-District-Attorney-Charles-Hynes-Loses-Democratic-Primary-Kenneth-Thompson-DA-223239471.html

      "Hynes has the support of the GOP but says he won't run as a Republican. There are no other major party candidates in the general election."

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