Just received this Lakewood pamphlet. I do not know who wrote it but it is now circulating Lakewood. It is good to see that there are those in Lakewood who get outraged by blatant injustice and chilul HaShem. It provides a halachic defense of the victim's father actions and shows that he was not a moser. It severely criticizes those who drove him out of Lakewood.
קונטרס והצדיקו את הצדיק Kolko case Defense of victim's family
And it has no name(s) attached! This proves how bad the situation is. They are s-c-a-r-e-d.
ReplyDeleteUnfortunately your right about the current climate.
DeleteThat's why it's מצוה לפרסם (imperative to be distributed as much as possible) this pamphlet!!!
The "oilam" (general public) has been misled about two key factors in this story:
1. There wasn't a creditable reason to "suspect" Kolko.
2. It's אסור (forbidden in Jewish law) to get the secular court system involved.
As soon as anyone is informed of the facts, they immediately change their thinking. (I myself have witnesses this many many times.)
This "Kuntrais" does a pretty good job refuting both of those misconceptions.
Interestingly enough the author doesn't even know all the evidence against kolko. He seems unaware of the another three adult witnesses. They where all begrudgingly (the DA would not let them get away with it, no matter how hard they tried) going to testify that Kolko admitted to them too. He plead guilty the day they where scheduled to testify.
He (in the pamphlet) breaks new ground in an interesting area. He argues that everyone should have been able to see through the misinformation campaign. He is definitely correct in hindsight, but at the time I think it's debatable.
Lastly, is not like everyone in Lakewood already saw this pamphlet. I live in Lakewood, and I didn't see it once!! Apparently it's out for a week, but only distributed discreetly in a couple of shuls.
PRINT IT OUT, EMAIL IT, FAX IT!!!
I don't care who wrote it bathe truth will come out eventually. The fact that it was written and distributed during Aseres Yimei Teshuva is a HUGE big deal. HASHEM knows who you are and that's what counts. Kol hakovod to these brave individuals who cared enough to settle record straight.
ReplyDeleteWho said it had any wide distribution? It may have only been seen by not much more than a minyan of people.
ReplyDeleteFrom what I am hearing, everyone in the community where the father was Rov saw it over Rosh Hashannah.
DeleteAs you might expect it made quite a stir there.
It's especially significant considering the fact that the other Rov in that community shamefully signed against the father. I am being told that his indifference now is upsetting many in that community, given that he interjected himself on the wrong side.
It has been placed in at least one other very busy shul in town, where many have read it.
Now it's our job to get it out there!!!
The "other side" has not conceded they were wrong. HaGaon HaRav Belsky shlit"a still maintains what he stated is correct. So do other Rabbonim who were with Rav Belsky shlit"a.
DeleteThere is a "BEN" that defends Weberman with "Mesiras Nefesh", are you related?!
DeleteDid the authors of this pamphlet approach any of the Rabbonim in question? It does not appear so by a quick scan of the document.
ReplyDeleteThe Rabbonim on the list are Talmidei Chachomim and surely have what to respond to these claims. Someone should approach one of them and get a response.
Agreed, but no response is an admission of guilt in this case.
DeleteBy the way, on the last page of this pamphlet the authors strongly request anyone to correct them if they are wrong.
@ JJ & t
ReplyDeleteNow that it is distributed here, consider it that it hit the fan. In Sdom Vamoiro they were similar tsadikim that cared much about Lashon Hara, Gezel va'aroyos. When there was a Market Day in town and all the merchants from nearby townships displayed their merchandise for the shoppers, the tsadikim of Sdom were very careful to steal and chip of Pochos Pochos mikeshiur of Shaveh pruto, until they polished off all the display tables. Since the Bet Din does not gather for a complaint of less than a shava Pruto, they felt assured that utilizing this loophole, no harm can come to them. However, this is the epitome of NAVAL BIRSHUS HATORAH. Today's Sodomites are no different, they make sure not two have to Witnesses so as to get off Scott free. They look for the "Sheker" ein lo raglayim in all the wrong places. They look in the umbrella-files of Lashon Hara, they look into the chorin ubisdakin ubimvo'os hoafeilos befi sachro ad sheyodo magaas if it penetrated ad chormo. If chas veshalom it was pochos pochos mibau mayim ad nofesh, or less than two Kosher eidim stamped kosher kosher, botlo eiduson. After such a significant find, they celebrate and dance on the blood of the victim, revictimizing them again, as they did by Eliezer eved Avraham. They make a bracha of Matir assurim (tartei mashma), motzi shem ra on the victim and family, yordim lechayav robbing them of their parnassa driving their whole family out of town with Pashkevillin having Kidush Levana letters, they accuse the Nirdaf of the same, lekayem ma shenemar Vehirshiu et haTsadik, vehitsdiku et haRasha, of course on Shabbos Beitsumo shel yom kmo shene'emar, Brov am hadras melech. Why not instead ask them, Yelamdenu rabenu meheichan dantani, umeheichan hitir damam shel Yisrael? The perpetrator who spilled his blood has somewhat repented since berabim, but there are backers and Enablers who hold on to the red slippery schmaltz herring pleading guilty and not guilty, depending on the odd/even days system. "Oh' yes", of course we know Torah lo baShamayim, but when the repenter said that ever since that episode he has been inflicted with various ailments, it is in line with HACHOSHED BIKSHERIM LOIKE BEGUFO! YOU are here, and the MAKOS are real! Whether anyone admits his wrongdoing or not, you can run, but you cannot hide, Habochen levavos knows exactly WHO, WHAT and WHERE you are and finds you wherever you might be, kmo sheneemar, veono mipanecha evrach, veneemar, vegam es haTsiroh yeshalach H'.
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ReplyDeleteR' Yid, your umbrella is much too big for your size, it is full of pock marked holes, it does not withold water, time to fess up. The blood of our precious children are not hefker. Vegam as domoy hineh nidrosh. Eretz al techassi damam. It is high time now in Asseres yemei tshuvah to beg for Mechila Berabim from the bleeding family, each and every one of them, before it is to too late, beod shehaner doilek!
And for you my friend TZOReh layt, alyo vekotz BA,
No matter how much splattered blood of our tinokes shel beis rabon scream bloody murder, it will go you by as on deaf ears. Don't you know why this Pamphlet is presented matan beseser beilum shem? It is because these ra bonim will sokel them as a shor haniskal, put them in cherem chamor, drive them out of town as they did to this Talmid Chacham. Indeed, they HAVE asked The RASHB'A, Rabbanim haGeonim of Yerushalayim shebeyamecho, Gavad' Y.M. Dushinsky, R' M. Halbershtam, R' M. Bransdorfer, R' M. Shternbuch, all chevrei haBdat'z, R' Y.S. Elyashiv, R' C. Kanievsky vechulay vechuley vesiyatam, ubepeh echad yachad kulom hoidu himlichi veomoru, RODEF, PIKUACH NEFESH, SHOFCHEI DAMIM, ve'elu shematsilim oisom benafshom harodef achar hazochor, LO TAAMOD AL DAM REA'CHO. These so called talmidei chachamim have said what they base their claims on, aval ma esseh shechaveiray robu olay, Lachen my friend, Yikov hadin et hahar, let the chips fall where they may, and so be it. And "oh yes", just one more thing, what exactly is the term in TALMUD for one that keeps on changing his plea from Guilty to Not Guilty, faster than you can change your underwear, huh?
Can you provide an English translation?
ReplyDeleteLadino, any chance?
DeleteChachomim biChelm,
ReplyDeleteTsadikim bisdom you change names more often than a snake sheds its skin.
I really shouldn't respond because it says al taan ...
"And for you my friend TZOReh layt, alyo vekotz BA,"
Hamechane shem lechavayro ain lo chelek b'olom haba. Yom kippur is coming up soon so you need to ask for mechila before then.
"No matter how much splattered blood of our tinokes shel beis rabon scream bloody murder, it will go you by as on deaf ears."
Who is not concerned about the safety of our children? If you believe that the Rabbonim don't care, you have no idea who they are and you are sorely mistaken.
" Don't you know why this Pamphlet is presented matan beseser beilum shem? It is because these ra bonim will sokel them as a shor haniskal, put them in cherem chamor, drive them out of town as they did to this Talmid Chacham."
This is pure deranged motzi shem ra of the lowest order of talmidei chachomim and tzadikim. You have not contacted them. You are building your case on total hearsay and you have no idea of the other side. I agree that they should make some sort of statement but your condemnation of them is unhinged.
" Indeed, they HAVE asked The RASHB'A, Rabbanim haGeonim of Yerushalayim shebeyamecho, Gavad' Y.M. Dushinsky, R' M. Halbershtam, R' M. Bransdorfer, R' M. Shternbuch, all chevrei haBdat'z, R' Y.S. Elyashiv, R' C. Kanievsky vechulay vechuley vesiyatam, ubepeh echad yachad kulom hoidu himlichi veomoru, RODEF, PIKUACH NEFESH, SHOFCHEI DAMIM, ve'elu shematsilim oisom benafshom harodef achar hazochor, LO TAAMOD AL DAM REA'CHO."
You left out a few holy names. The Rabbonim that you besmirch also agree with them in general.
" These so called talmidei chachamim have said what they base their claims on, aval ma esseh shechaveiray robu olay, Lachen my friend, Yikov hadin et hahar, let the chips fall where they may, and so be it."
You don't know their position today and the main question is why didn't they make a recent statement explaining their position more clearly.
" And "oh yes", just one more thing, what exactly is the term in TALMUD for one that keeps on changing his plea from Guilty to Not Guilty, faster than you can change your underwear, huh?"
This nonsensical statement doesn't provide any useful information.
You owe me an apology for mechane shem and the Rabbonim for motzi shem ra and disrespect for Talmidei chachomim of true stature that deserve better than this.
DeleteAl rishon, rishon
Hamechane shem lechavayro ain lo chelek b'olom haba. Yom kippur is coming up soon so you need to ask for mechila before then.
Mechane shem, huh?
* Kamo tshuvos bedovor
1) "Chachomim biChelm",
2)"Tsadikim bisdom",
3) al taan "...",
if these aren't til kisem, I don't know what is. There are many more, however, because of leolam "YESHANE" bederech ktsoro. And for extra insurance, u r known (unknown) only with a kinui = anony,
And finally, if it still bothers u that much, my apologies.
you change names more often than a snake sheds its skin.
* u r mixing 'kashe' with tirutsim.
1) A title is not a handle.
2) Lamah ze tishal lishmi vehi plei.
Who is not concerned about the safety of our children? If you believe that the Rabbonim don't care, you have no idea who they are and you are sorely mistaken.
* Really, what have they done for our children in the last 5-6 decades so that they should not be meabed atsman ladaas, go off the derech, hurting for a lifetime, asides of siding with the RODEF, sweeping it under the rug etc. I have seen too many of these products, but at the time I had no clue what it was all about.Klal Yisrael is sorely paining beyond belief at this Holocaust, how can we stand idly by Beozlat yad?
This is pure deranged ...
* Bemakom sheyesh chilul Hashem ein cholkin...
...they should make some sort of statement...
* Statements such as lip service don't save lives, putting them behind bars, DOES!
You left out a few...
* how far have our children fared with generalisations
You don't know their position today and the main question is why didn't they make a recent statement explaining their position more clearly.
* Regardless if whether they changed their positions, our little brothers blood are screaming from underneath, "WHY? WHAT HAVE I DONE TO DESERVE SUCH? WHY HAVE YOU LET THEM OFF SCOTT FREE TO HURT MANY MANY MORE? WHY HAVEN'T YOU HEEDED TO OUR CRIES? KOROSI VE'EIN ONEH? WE ARE HASHEM'S CREATION JUST LIKE ALL CHILDREN, MAY CHOZIS DEDAMACH SIMKEI TFEI? WHY ARE WE EXPENDABLE? ...DO SOMETHING ALREADY! ASSEH LEMAAN YALDENU VETAPENU."
This nonsensical statement doesn't provide any useful information.
* It speaks volumes, hadoes bal 'davar', kivan shehigid, not the least
You owe me an apology for mechane shem and the Rabbonim for motzi shem ra and disrespect for Talmidei chachomim of true stature that deserve better than this.
* I believe I already did, albeit all is anony as you yourself testified, and have no clue who you are, I will do it again.
I firmly believe that I answered the others as well.
What I would like to add is, that it pains me beyond belief along with Klal Yisrael, how much my heart goes out for these poor helpless, defenseless tayere kinderlach, how many tears I have shed for each and every yidishe neshama that hurts, cries, bleeds, goes OTD, gets Addicted, only to be stomped upon. Nothing in the world can justify such, ever. Anyone with a sechel hayashar can see that something is a-rye. Please, kindly Do something! Uvo letzion goel.
@T,
ReplyDeleteI accept your apology and apologize for anything that I said that was out of line.
I know many of the Rabbonim who signed personally and they are truly Talmidei Chachomim and exceptional people and believe it or not they share your concern for the danger to children from the perverts. I believe that if you investigated you would find that they support reporting the pedophiles to the authorities.
The mystery is why they signed in the first place and why they haven't retracted.
One of the Rabbonim took in the disabled child of one of the children of the Squarer Rebbe when the parents abandoned any hope of taking care of the child and raised this challenging child while not related to the Rebbe at all and not chassidim. They returned the child to the parents when the child was 3 years old as a perfectly normal child. The rebbe hosts one sheva brochos of this Rov in gratitude.
G'mar chasima tova to all.
This kuntreis is linked to on Nuchem Rosenberg's site here is the link http://nochemrosenberg.blogspot.com/2013/09/in-defence-of-kolkos-victim.html?m=1
ReplyDeleteHe calls it קונטרס והיצדיקו את הצדיק Kolko case Defense of victim family BY DONIEL EIDENSON.
DOES HE KNOW SOMETHING THAT WE DON'T KNOW??
No - I am not the author. I did put it on my Scribd account in order to post in on this blog. He simply made a mistake. I did add the English words in the title of the file "Kolko case Defense of victim family."
DeleteThe heading he has to the article is automatically generated by Scribd for any documents I put in my account - I corrected it on my blog.
DeleteThe nine rabbis, however learned they may be, however personally kind and generous they may be, should resign any positions that require paskening, because they fail the basic Biblical requirement of a dayan, lo segooroo mipnei ish (do not cower before anyone). But before they do that they should perform one honest act of atonement before yom kippur; declaring that their psak was dictated by Aaron and Malkiel Kotler to maintain the cardinal power principal of Lakewood: the Kotlers are the final arbiters to either maintain or violate halachah.
ReplyDeleteThe residents of Lakewood should press these nine and those who support them to either rejoinder the booklet or withdraw their support for that psak. A community whose leaders are unable or unwilling to defend their decisions is a community on the path to dissintegration or faked conformity enforced by tyranny. The real Aaron Kotler ZTz"L would never have been stuck in this predicament.
Yada yada yada. You have as much chance as influencing them or their communities as you have to convince Barack Obama to resign.
DeleteResign or not I don't know. But respect for people who make mamzerim must stop. The war against the mamzerim factory rabbis will be a long one. We have recently gotten gedolei hador to sign that what they do is completely wrong and makes mamzerim. So it is not just me and my brother anymore. Little by little, people will realize that a Rosh Yeshiva can also be an apikores, because whoever urges people to make nvalid Gittin is a rosho and an apikores. Worse, he s a child molester, because the ultimate child abuse is to make a mamzer. But as long as their interests are protected, nothing else matters. This must stop.
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