Wednesday, June 19, 2019

Until the phony seruv of Rav Kaminetsky's beis din is removed - he and his beis din are in cherem

update: The correct term is nidoi - but I used the term cherem in the title as the general non-halachic term for ostracizing and thus the term is explained as being a form of cherem in the post below.

I confirmed with Aharon's law school classmate who spoke to R' Herschel Schachter and R' Sholom Kaminetsky in December 2010 (which I believe is before the Seruv was issued) that the two Rabbis were aware of the Baltimore Beis Din's involvement and they intentionally ignored the Beis Din's involvement". He said he is willing to discuss this with Rov who needs to know the information.


 Guest Post

Rabbis Aryeh Ralbag, Yisrael Belsky, Mordechai Wolmark, Shmuel Kamenetsky, Gavriel Stern and Hershel Schachter are in [nidui] [cherem] 

The issuance of a purported "seruv"[contempt] against Aharon Friedman was outrageous from the very beginning.  The Union of Orthodox Rabbis did not bother to issue even a single hazmana [summons} before purporting to issue the "seruv."  In addition, the parties had previously signed a shtar beirurin [binding arbitration agreement] with the Baltimore Beis Din.  Furthermore, as ,the Baltimore Beis Din recently noted even putting aside those two points, the Union of Orthodox Rabbis had no right to issue a "seruv" against Aharon because he lives in a different State than the location of the Union of Orthodox Rabbis.

It is hard to imagine that the signatories of the "seruv" were not very well aware of these points and deliberately signed the "seruv" knowing that the "seruv" was baseless.  If the signatories were not knowledgable about the rules for issuing a "seruv", they should have not been involved in issuing seruvim.

In any case, even if the signatories were not previously aware of these rules and had some excuse for nonetheless involving themselves in a matter concerning which they had woefully inadequate knowledge, it has been several days since the Baltimore BD issued its letter clarifying matters, so there can no longer be any confusion or the least bit of doubt about this matter. One who wrongfully issues a seruv, or signs in support of such seruv, himself has the status of being in [nidui][cherem] as pointed our by Rav Reuvain Feinstein's recent letter, and has been previously noted by others concerning this case.

 The refusal of the Union of Orthodox Rabbis, Rabbi Ralbag and the other signatories to retract the "seruv" is well beyond outrageous and makes a mockery of halacha, beis din and the Jewish community.  They must immediately retract the "seruv" - or they have the status under halacha [Jewish Law] of being in [nidui] [cherem].

8 comments :

  1. Kalonymus AnonymusJune 19, 2019 at 11:58 PM

    who is the writer, to claim that Rav Belsky ztl, and Rav Shachter shlita are in nidoi?

    ReplyDelete
  2. Only the Agudah is to Blame m

    ReplyDelete
  3. in yener velt Nisht poshut

    ReplyDelete
  4. Kalonymus AnonymusJune 20, 2019 at 1:21 AM

    in something world is not simple?

    ReplyDelete
  5. Thanks, DT, for these old posts. See
    http://www.israelnationalnews.com/Articles/Article.aspx/24037
    “Shall we stand idly by while our sister is treated like a prostitute? It is a question that stands for all time. The question is still here, it awaits an answer from each generation. Shall we stand idly by as women are raped-- even as we judge Shimon and Levi harshly for engaging in "overkill"? Do we stand idly by as women are forced into prostitution by dire poverty and abuse, or, like Dina, are kidnapped, forced into marriages against their will, trafficked to foreign countries and chained to brothel walls?¬¬”
    I read the old posts which I’m in. Phyliss Chesler asks Shall we stand idly by while our sister is treated like a prostitute? My comment there is: “So powerful, so moving, so deep, so well researched---a must read and a must study closely for everyone.”
    The ORA, Agunah International, and Rabbis: Ralbag, Belsky, Wolmark, Stern, Kamenestky, and Schachter are not following the plain meaning: “A man takes a wife and possesses her. She fails to please him because he finds something obnoxious about her, and he writes her a bill of divorcement, hands it to her, and sends her away from his house” (Deuteronomy (24:1). They may think they follow seder nashim (Yevamouth, kethuboth, Nedarim, Sotah, Gittin, and Kiddushin).
    Torah thought from Rabbi Be’eri:
    “So Joseph gained possession of all the farm land of Egypt for Pharaoh, every Egyptian having sold his field because the famine was too much for them; thus the land passed over to Pharaoh.: (Genesis 47:20).
    Joseph wisely insisted that “every Egyptian having sold his field” because, otherwise, they could try to nullify the sales for various reasons, but not if every owner personally sells his field. In the K-G garbage heter Tamar personally agreed to marry Aaron, so she cannot cancel the marriage agreement.
    Is it fair for ORA, Agunah International, and their supporters to treat get refusers as Phyliss Chesler treats rapists ?
    “If Dina really loved Shechem, why would Shechem need to "talk to her heart," (v'yidabayer al lev hanaarah")? Shechem only did so after he "took" (va'yikach otah), slept with, (yishkav otah) and tormented or humbled (vaya-aneyhaa) her. Only after all this did Shechem's "soul cleave" to her (va'tidbak nafsho), and "he loved the young girl" (va'yeahav et hanara). Where else do we hear the phrase: "He talked to her heart?" In Shoftim, at a time when Israel has no king, we have another example of a man who is described with the exact same words. A concubine (pilegesh) has run away from her master/husband. Perhaps he has abused her. Maybe she just missed her father at home. In any event, this master/husband of the unnamed pilegesh also "yadabayer al lebah," he sweet talks her to leave her father's home in Bethlehem, in the territory of Yehudah.”
    ORA, Agunah International, and their supporters don’t allow that some get refusers they fight are truly just trying to “talk to her heart” and that no one should condemn them. “So Moses, at the Lord’s bidding, instructed the Israelites, saying: The plea of the Josephite tribe is just. This is what the Lord has commanded concerning the daughters of Zelophehad: They may marry anyone they wish, provided they marry into a clan of their father’s tribe.” (Numbers 36:5-6). Everyone praises the righteous daughters of Zelophehad. My theory is that the erev rav were the trouble makers. There were Egyptian women that lied and said: I’m religious. I light candles Friday, I observe 7 clean days etc. These Egyptian women were following Balaam advice that lead to “The name of the Midianite woman who was killed was Cozbi daughter of Zur; he was the tribal head of an ancestral house in Midian.” (Numbers 25:15).

    ReplyDelete
  6. fedupwithcorruptrabbisJune 23, 2019 at 8:31 PM

    whats new. most batei din are corrupted and issue false seiruvim against innocent men

    ReplyDelete
  7. Kalonymus AnonymusJune 23, 2019 at 11:25 PM

    what is your scope of "corrupt rabbis" that you refer to? Are you only discussing seruvim, or do you recognize other areas too? What if they are corrupt in other ways like Messrs. Berland, Sheinberg, Tal et al?

    ReplyDelete

ANONYMOUS COMMENTS WILL NOT BE POSTED!
please use either your real name or a pseudonym.