Dear editor [Cross-Currents],
On the advice of my legal counsel I wanted to put you on notice that I will pursue every legal venue available if you continue to publish Avrohom Gordimer’s libelous and unfounded accusations against me.
In his recent essay he accused me of wanting to “completely revamp” the suddur when I explicitly said in the referenced essay that I’m merely suggesting to use art work to compliment and enhance our prayer experience.
I also know that he is peddling a new essay in which he again distorts my words and accuses me of blasphemy. (I say that we should “debate” the parameters of our theology, while he claims that I “suggest” we change it.)
It’s about time I stand up for my reputation and kavod of my family. I will pursue any legal venue against your website and those of you who are behind it. That’s what I owe my wife, kids, family, students and community.
Shabbat shalom and Shana tova,
Ysoscher Katz
Rabbi Ysoscher Katz
Chair, Department of Talmud,
Yeshivat Chovevei Torah Rabbinical School; Director of the Lindenbaum Center for Halakhic Studies; Educational Director of Judaic Studies, Luria Academy, Brooklyn, NY.; Rabbi, Prospect Heights Shul.
The following post, which may still be viewed on Facebook, is also germane and is mentioned in our reply. It addresses a recent article by Rabbi Gordimer, and reading it helps to place both the communications received and our reply in context.....We at Yeshivat Chovevei Torah stand behind Rav Ysoscher Katz whom we respect and admire deeply. Any attack on him is an attack on all of us.
Rabbi Asher Lopatin
You misread my essay, R. Gordimer. I asked that the critiques NOT stop. Your essays serve an important purpose, they help explain why millennials are leaving MO in droves. Your version of it feels old and atrophied, lacking passion, courage or creativity.
The fact that you are lying in order to discredit your opponents, does not help your cause either. One can't help but see a pattern here. The lay leadership used dishonesty to ruin a beautiful institution, financially. You do the same to a beautiful idea, ruining the MO ethos by using lies to discredit those who have the courage to revive and revivify an idea that no longer carries currency with the younger generation.
(In your last essay you accused me of wanting to "revamp" the siddur, ignoring the fact that I said explicitly that I'm merely suggesting to use art work to compliment and enhance our davening experience. In this essay you accuse me of adopting heretical ideas when in fact I only suggested that we should have a discussion about the parameters of our faith. But, then again, what's a little lie here and there when you have an agenda. It didn't stop YU's lay leader, why should it stop you?)
So, as I said, in the essay you mention: please continue to write. These essays help sharpen and explicate our differences. While you argue for the status quo, many others are going out in the trenches searching for language and formulations that will allow them to bring God and his Torah to a tzibbur that no longer finds either of those relevant
Gmar chatima tova to you and yours.
Ysoscher Katz
Here, then, is our reply:
Dear Reb Ysoscher,
While only a few of the Cross-Currents writers have discussed Open Orthodoxy, we all share a Jewish tradition of open debate, argument, and even refutation. We previously believed that you do as well, and thus your communication to us comes as a disappointment.
The Talmud does not hesitate to say tiyuvta d’Rava tiyuvta — the opinion of Rava is conclusively disproven. Even a sage at the level of Rava suffered the rejection of his ideas after critical examination; that is how it is supposed to be. Those who express an opinion in Jewish thought (and, indeed, in the secular world as well) enjoy no protection from being told — correctly or otherwise — that they are wrong.
None of us believe personal attacks are appropriate. Despite your assertion that you were attacked personally, in none of your chosen examples were you even quoted by name. It is the ideology of Open Orthodoxy and YCT, as expressed in your articles and those of your colleagues, that we, among many others, have criticized.
In regard to your claim that AG distorted your intent about revising the siddur, here is what you wrote: “Tefilot have a very short shelf life. After a while they become outdated, losing their power to inspire… Revamping the entire liturgy is a rather ambitious project which could eventually happen but for now one needs to start small, doing it incrementally and let it expand with time.” Readers may decide if Rabbi Gordimer was faithful to your words’ intent, or not.
Given that the Chairman of your Board of Directors is a well-qualified attorney (to whom you cc’d your letter), it is certain that you were already informed that a libel suit would require proof of deliberate slander, and that you would not find that on our website. Thus your letter seems intended simply to protect your opinions and articles from criticism.
But in that, your letter is contradicted by your opinion as expressed elsewhere. We are unsure how to square your message to us with a Facebook post that you published within 48 hours after you sent the letter. There you wrote — commendably so — that you favor open debate and hope that Rabbi Gordimer in particular continues to write. But if you honestly appreciate the discussion, why would you send this letter? It seems inconsistent to us.
We also fear that this unusual behavior is not particularly new. Members of the YCT administration and their supporters have previously asked important acquaintances of Cross-Currents contributors to use their influence in order to mute criticism of the YCT claim to Orthodox legitimacy. This happened while those same individuals were writing publicly that they cherished the public debate! You, Reb Ysoscher, are merely the first to put both antipodal sides in writing.
This is what overrode any initial reluctance to publish your letter. Any individual, especially feeling beleaguered, can react rashly and irrationally. But when the President of YCT stood behind your words and your threat, and after a history of trying to silence Cross-Currents writers, this appears to be a pattern important enough to share with the public.
What we observe is an “Open Orthodoxy” trying to avoid a pushback that it certainly could and should have expected. It is attempting to make its changes a fait accompli within the greater world of Orthodoxy before meeting compelling rejection from within both Modern Orthodoxy and the charedi community. Open Orthodoxy is trying to obstruct open debate of its philosophy and goals, and is even trying to hide that it is doing so.
Open Orthodoxy has not merely misled the public about being Orthodox — it has dissembled about being open, as well.
That seems compellingly germane to the ongoing discussion of the Open Orthodox agenda.
Yours Sincerely,
The Editors and Writers of Cross-Currents
Ysoscher Katz is a poor speller. Or he is not aware that "compliment" and "complement" don't mean the same thing.
ReplyDelete"In his recent essay he accused me of wanting to “completely revamp”
ReplyDeletethe suddur..."
What is a "suddur"?
> we all share a Jewish tradition of open debate, argument, and even refutation
ReplyDeleteSays the website that heavily censors comments, allowing only the most milque-toaste criticism that are easily refuted to get through.
The argument that no names were used is also quite weak. It's like me saying "The guy who run the Agudah's supreme rabbinical council... hey, I never mentioned them by name!"
Once again I question what Rav Gordimer's obsession with OO is accomplishing. Those who know what OO really stand for stay away from them. Those who don't care won't read his essays and suddenly move right.
The "resedering" as I call it , has gained much support recently, Rabbi Kaminetsky told me In a private conversation that ברכת השחר has no more relevance today , however he would like maintain the מתיר איסורים benediction
ReplyDeleteOr like everyone else he's handed over his brain to speelcheck and never bothers to proofread his own wurk.
ReplyDeleteDo you "speelcheck" your work? Maybe you should. :)
ReplyDeleteIll tink aboot it.
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