You know what else delays Moshiach? Looking at the amazing gift He gave us after 1800 years of non-stop suffering and spitting on it because it's not the colour you thought it should be.
My father, a"h, grew up in the old country and it was still taboo to talk about Mosiach centuries after Shabtai Zvi. You just didn't. The purpose of doing mitzvos and learning isn't to bring Moshiach. It's to fulfill your obligation to be a loyal Jew.
Exactly. Even as a kid, Moshiach was not talked about or apportioned to any specific personality. It was seen as heretical and a repetition of xtianity .
There are some Sages who say that Elijah‘s coming will precede the coming of the Mashiach.14וְיֵשׁ מִן הַחֲכָמִים שֶׁאוֹמְרִים, שֶׁקֹּדֶם בִּיאַת הַמָּשִׁיחַ יָבוֹא אֵלִיָּהוּ. All these and similar matters cannot be definitely known by man until they occur for these matters are undefined in the prophets’ words15 and even the wise men have no established tradition regarding these matters except their own interpretation of the verses. Therefore, there is a controversy among them regarding these matters.16וְכָל אֵלּוּ הַדְּבָרִים וְכַיּוֹצֵא בָּהֶן - לֹא יֵדַע אָדָם אֵיךְ יִהְיוּ עַד שֶׁיִּהְיוּ, שֶׁדְּבָרִים סְתוּמִים הֵן אֵצֶל הַנְּבִיאִים, גַּם הַחֲכָמִים אֵין לָהֶם קַבָּלָה בִּדְבָרִים אֵלּוּ, אֶלָא לְפִי הֶכְרֵעַ הַפְּסוּקִים, וּלְפִיכָךְ יֵשׁ לָהֶם מַחֲלֹקֶת בִּדְבָרִים אֵלּוּ. Regardless of the debate concerning these questions, neither the order of the occurrence of these events or their precise detail are among the fundamental principles of the faith.17 A person should not occupy himself with the Aggadot and the exegesis of verses concerning these and similar matters,18 nor should he consider them as essentials, for study of them will neither bring fear or love of God.וְעַל כָּל פָּנִים אֵין סִדּוּר הֲוָיַּת דְּבָרִים אֵלּוּ וְלֹא דִּקְדּוּקֵיהֶן עִיקָר בַּדָּת. וּלְעוֹלָם לֹא יִתְעַסֵּק אָדָם בְּדִבְרֵי הַהַגָּדוֹת, וְלֹא יַאֲרִיךְ בַּמִדְרָשׁוֹת הָאֲמוּרִים בְּעִנְיָנִים אֵלּוּ וְכַיּוֹצֵא בָהֶן, וְלֹא יְשִׂימֵם עִיקָר; שֶׁאֵין מְבִיאִין לֹא לִידֵי יִרְאָה וְלֹא לִידֵי אַהֲבָה. Similarly, one should not try to determine the appointed time for Mashiach’s coming. Our Sages declared:19 “May the spirits of those who attempt to determine the time of Mashiach’s coming expire!”20 Rather, one should await and believe in the general conception of the matter as explained.
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ReplyDeleteYou know what else delays Moshiach? Looking at the amazing gift He gave us after 1800 years of non-stop suffering and spitting on it because it's not the colour you thought it should be.
ReplyDeleteWe can't bring moshiach. That's just games they play with us
DeleteMy father, a"h, grew up in the old country and it was still taboo to talk about Mosiach centuries after Shabtai Zvi. You just didn't. The purpose of doing mitzvos and learning isn't to bring Moshiach. It's to fulfill your obligation to be a loyal Jew.
DeleteExactly. Even as a kid, Moshiach was not talked about or apportioned to any specific personality. It was seen as heretical and a repetition of xtianity .
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ReplyDeleteMelachim uMilchamot ch.12
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There are some Sages who say that Elijah‘s coming will precede the coming of the Mashiach.14וְיֵשׁ מִן הַחֲכָמִים שֶׁאוֹמְרִים, שֶׁקֹּדֶם בִּיאַת הַמָּשִׁיחַ יָבוֹא אֵלִיָּהוּ.
All these and similar matters cannot be definitely known by man until they occur for these matters are undefined in the prophets’ words15 and even the wise men have no established tradition regarding these matters except their own interpretation of the verses. Therefore, there is a controversy among them regarding these matters.16וְכָל אֵלּוּ הַדְּבָרִים וְכַיּוֹצֵא בָּהֶן - לֹא יֵדַע אָדָם אֵיךְ יִהְיוּ עַד שֶׁיִּהְיוּ, שֶׁדְּבָרִים סְתוּמִים הֵן אֵצֶל הַנְּבִיאִים, גַּם הַחֲכָמִים אֵין לָהֶם קַבָּלָה בִּדְבָרִים אֵלּוּ, אֶלָא לְפִי הֶכְרֵעַ הַפְּסוּקִים, וּלְפִיכָךְ יֵשׁ לָהֶם מַחֲלֹקֶת בִּדְבָרִים אֵלּוּ.
Regardless of the debate concerning these questions, neither the order of the occurrence of these events or their precise detail are among the fundamental principles of the faith.17 A person should not occupy himself with the Aggadot and the exegesis of verses concerning these and similar matters,18 nor should he consider them as essentials, for study of them will neither bring fear or love of God.וְעַל כָּל פָּנִים אֵין סִדּוּר הֲוָיַּת דְּבָרִים אֵלּוּ וְלֹא דִּקְדּוּקֵיהֶן עִיקָר בַּדָּת. וּלְעוֹלָם לֹא יִתְעַסֵּק אָדָם בְּדִבְרֵי הַהַגָּדוֹת, וְלֹא יַאֲרִיךְ בַּמִדְרָשׁוֹת הָאֲמוּרִים בְּעִנְיָנִים אֵלּוּ וְכַיּוֹצֵא בָהֶן, וְלֹא יְשִׂימֵם עִיקָר; שֶׁאֵין מְבִיאִין לֹא לִידֵי יִרְאָה וְלֹא לִידֵי אַהֲבָה.
Similarly, one should not try to determine the appointed time for Mashiach’s coming. Our Sages declared:19 “May the spirits of those who attempt to determine the time of Mashiach’s coming expire!”20 Rather, one should await and believe in the general conception of the matter as explained.
Or the end of Sefer Daniel where, after being given all these encoded dates, he asks the angel when the end times will be and is told "Go to sleep"
DeleteThese prophetic instructions tend to conflict with the "Lo bashamayim hi" version of the tannur of akhnai.
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