ריקודי השמחה בחסידות סקווירא על שחרור שאול שפיצר שהצית בית של "מורד", עוררו זעזוע אצל המחנך והסופר הרב חיים ולדר • "אם אנחנו לא נגנה - זה עלול להגיע לכולנו", הוא מזהיר (חרדים)
חלטתו של שופט בית המשפט המחוזי ברוקלנד שבניו יורק לשחרר את הבחור שאול שפיצר, בן לחסידות סקווירא, ממאסרו לאחר שריצה עונש מאסר של 4 שנים בגין עבירת תקיפה מדרגה ראשונה זאת באשמה שהצית ופצע קשה את החסיד אהרון רוטנברג תושב העיירה מאחר ונחשב היה ל"מורד" באדמור גרמה לצהלות שמחה ולריקודים סוערים במרכז החסידות בארה"ב.
האברכים והבחורים, חבריו של שפיצר, רקדו במשך שעות ארוכות במעגלים שירים כגון דידן נצח, וחסדי ה' כי לא תמנו ואף שתו "לחיים" לרגל השמחה.
האווירה השמחה בעקבות השחרור גרמה לתגובות מעט זועמות ברשתות החברתיות. "כיצד ניתן לחגוג ולרקוד בעקבות שחרורו של אסיר שביקש לפצוע אדם יהודי ואולי חלילה אף יותר מכך", תהו רבים. היו שהסבירו זאת בדאגה ואכפתיות לשלומו של הבחור בן החסידות מה שמלמד דווקא על הלכידות הפנימית ועל האחדות. אחרים הבהירו כי הבחור הגן על כבודו של הרבי ועל כבודה של החסידות ולכן מגיע לו הכבוד הראוי.
את הסופר והמחנך הרב חיים ולדר הדבר הרתיח והרגיז במיוחד. בשיחה עם "כיכר השבת" הוא נשמע זועם במיוחד וקובל על הדוגמא האנטי חינוכית שבכל ההילולא סביב שפיצר.
He should be outraged. It's sickening.
ReplyDeleteCelebrating potential murderers and making them into heros seems to be the latest trend in the Ultra Orthodox world.
ReplyDeletehttp://news.walla.co.il/item/2900317
People don't seem to understand that for some there is an inyon of anshei shelomeinu whereby anyone out the camp and certainly anyone who opposes the camp is second class or worse.
ReplyDeleteThe Navi says in the name of Hashem (Yeshaya 48:22):
ReplyDeleteאין שלום, אמר ה', לרשעים
In other words, there should be no such thing as "anshei shelomeinu" when it comes to a מעשה רשעות. If Hashem has no שלום for him, then we should certainly not accord him any honor for his heinous action.
Let's just say for example, that he had sat in jail because his raging youthful hormones had caused him to forcibly rape a "shiksa", would they be celebrating in public upon his release?
He should have been castigated by the community. By celebrating with him, they have all incriminated themselves as being supportive of his actions...
Their support for his actions is really no surprise, unfortunately. He did not act in a vacuum. Far from it.
ReplyDeleteI wouldn't call it a "trend," but boy is that infuriating.
ReplyDeleteChaim, nobody asked u for your diagnosis, outrage,or comments. Stick to your stupid books which are controversial enough. As long as u don't know all the facts, keep your comments to your dinner table
ReplyDeleteThe interesting part is that they only lost out from their strong-armed stubbornness. Mr. Rosenberg was more than willing to move out of New Square. He wanted the fair market value for his house - which they were going to deny him. They were going to make him pay for his rebellion. In the end, they paid him a cool $3,000,000.00 - a lot more than just allowing an interested buyer to purchase his home.
ReplyDeleteTo top it off - they brought their community down with it.
How has their community been brought down?
ReplyDeleteHow has their community been brought down?
ReplyDeleteI wrote quickly. I did not mean that it completely brought down their community and destroyed it. However, it brought down (lowered the standing and level of their community - both to themselves and the influence that they had.
To themselves, they have made certain behaviors acceptable. Others have become disgusted by their behavior, which obviously will preclude them from accepting much influence from Skver.
This reminds me the ma'asseh hoEgel tring to Kasher it with celebrations, and kol anos.
ReplyDeleteיהודה בן תימא אומר, הוי עז כנמר, וקל כנשר, ורץ כצבי, וגבור כארי לעשות רצון אביך שבשמים
ReplyDeleteSome people seem to have forgotten that we need to use our brains too when it come to Avodas Hashem. Unfortunately, this is not unique to Square
Which facts is Chaim Walder unaware of? Perhaps you would like to enlighten us about any facts that we may be missing.
ReplyDeleteAre we to think that this was an expression of Avodas Hashem and Ahavas Yisrael???
Since we heard nothing from Rabonim or Gedolim then why do you complain? Are we better off if everyone says nothing? and btw, I do not like his books at all
ReplyDeleteBut to get to that point, the poor guy had to undergo terrible trauma, and he never will be the same again.
ReplyDeleteWhat's the yichus of Chaim Walder? He is a children's book writer. His opinion on this matter is as valuable as the opinion of any other random commentator posting here on this issue.
ReplyDeleteTrue. They don't care about him since he's "moirid b'malchiss." I'm just pointing out, that from a practical point, Skver lost out much more by attempting to make a "l'maan yishmi'ee viyirouee" out of him, than by just peacefully having him leave Skvere and allowing him to get the market value for his house.
ReplyDelete(I also think that he was not wise in the way he rebelled. It is not a justification, in any way, of what they did to him. And it is certainly not a justification for the hero's wellcome that the little rascal received. But he probably does regret the way he publicly rebelled.)
No he is much more than that. He is highly respected as someone who is very knowledgable about chinuch and how to communicate clearly the nature of society to all ages
ReplyDeleteI applaud his so-called "rebellion." What was his big aveira? He made a shul? Big deal.
ReplyDeleteThis assault of one adult against another adult doesn't seem to be a children's chinuch issue any more than any every day violence.
ReplyDeleteDavid you are wrong. Walder deals with all sorts of topic successfully and with different age groups.
ReplyDeleteDon't dismiss him because he doesn't have a PhD
I think that this incident took violence to a new level.
ReplyDeleteI agree that anyone is capable of murdering. I'm can also see that many boys might sometimes feel like murdering someone. But how many case do you know when a so-called chassidishe boy acted on such an urge, and to boot, was also given the tacit support of his community???
This is a degenerative new low.
I respectfully disagree with you. New Square is a unique private community that is not open to the public. (They have achieved much good as well.). It is anyone's option to choose live in their little village or not. But if you do choose to live in their town, please follow their rules. It is wrong to go into their town and publicly defy them.
ReplyDeleteIf you would invite me into your house on condition that I do not dance inside, then that is your right. If I do dance in your house, you would be right for peacefully removing me from your house. I would be wrong for not keeping your condition. And if I am willing to leave and I want to leave, there is no reason for me to dance my way out and infuriate and upset you. Once I am out, I am free to do as I wish. While still inside your house, I should follow your rules (as long as those rules don't hurt me....)
I don't dismiss him and I respect his opinion. But on this topic his opinion is of the same value as any member of the general public.
ReplyDeleteI don't agree that anyone is capable of murder, and certainly not frum Jews. This is a horrifying incident, and it's disgusting the way his return is being celebrated. I don't see what the objection is to Walder commenting. He's making good sense, yichus or no yichus.
ReplyDeleteBut on this topic his opinion is of the same value as any member of the general public.
ReplyDeleteNo, it is not. Allow me to quote Rabbi Eidensohn for you:
Walder deals with all sorts of topic successfully and with different age groups.
Which part of this quote do you disagree with?
If there were Gedolim who would denounce this behavior then I would agree that Walder should mind his own business like everyone else. But since no one else seem to have anything to say then no Yichus is required to express one's views
ReplyDeleteWho celebrated him? His friends and family in the courtroom who sang when his sentence was reduced? Even a career serial violent criminal's family and friends would celebrate a loved one's release.
ReplyDeleteThe sentence was still multiple years in jail. If it is "only" four years instead of seven years that makes it a piece of cake? They were happy it wasn't a 57 year sentence, happy it wasn't a 27 year sentence and happy it was less years rather than more years, whatever number less it was.
David, I guess you haven't seen the videos of the public dancing and celebration in New Square. Shame on them.
ReplyDelete"all sorts of topics" that he deals with doesn't mean he deals with or is an expert in every single topic under the sun. Such as this topic.
ReplyDeleteAgreed. You can express your view on this matter, Mr. Walder can express his view on this matter, I mine, Joe Ploni his, and Yankel Public can express his view on the matter. All are of equal stature when discussing this issue.
ReplyDeleteEven a career serial violent criminal's family and friends would celebrate a loved one's release.
ReplyDeleteAnd this is excusable among frum Jews, to celebrate the release of an attempted multiple murderer? They should hang their heads in shame, not sing and dance. It certainly demonstrates where this lowlife is coming from.
Such justifications are the first step toward the murderous act that this lowlife did. Granted, there are a number of steps in between, but it begins here, and the further steps are merely extensions of this one. Viewing a person who did nothing objectionable as a "rebel" is the first step toward dehumanizing him, and declaring open season on him. I reject this first step, as I reject all those that followed.
ReplyDeleteDavid - I don't see that you are in a position to judge him and surely not for the rest of you to take your judgment seriously - so why keep repeating it?
ReplyDeleteIt was by his family and friends. The town didn't make a reception and party for him in the town beis hamedrash. You can't blame an entire community for the celebration of his family and friends.
ReplyDeleteHis friends sang at his reduced sentence. You can't fault the entirety of the community. They didn't make a town ticker tape parade for him.
ReplyDeletehttp://daattorah.blogspot.com/2015/10/rav-nochum-eisenstein-on-tamar-epstein.html#comment-2339768391
ReplyDeleteThey didn't make a town ticker tape parade for him.
ReplyDeleteYes, they did! They made the equivalent of it - much time dancing in great excitement. Had a guy gotten arrested for a DUI, and then gotten a break in his prison sentence, you can be sure that there would not be this type of joyous celebratory reaction in New Square - or anywhere else.
doesn't mean he deals with or is an expert in every single topic under the sun. Such as this topic.
ReplyDeleteIs this "every topic under the sun?" No, it isn't.
You feel that he is not an expert in this topic. Fine. However, I, and many others feel that he is an expert in these types of social issues. In fact, the hundreds of thousands adult books of his that have sold suggest that many other people also feel this way.
While we enjoy Walder's books, here is a book for those who disagree with him on this topic - hot off the press:
Viewing a person who did nothing objectionable as a "rebel" is the first step toward dehumanizing him, and declaring open season on him.
ReplyDeleteHe did do something objectionable. If I walk into a shul which you founded and opened and quietly begin recruiting your mispallelim to join my breakaway minyan, then that is objectionable. May anyone hurt him? No way! But it is still far from a righteous or smart move.
I object to frum Jews celebrating the return of attempted murderers from prison, friends or no friends. I think it's an awful thing. They should be ashamed, not happy and proud.
ReplyDeleteThat's a very controlled society. If the powers that be disapproved of the celebration, they would have shut it down. They shut down far less objectionable things than that (e.g. a shul in someone's house). We all know, despite your ridiculous scrambling to excuse the inexcusable, that New Square is solidly behind this little thug. That's precisely why he felt empowered to do what he did, and why there was a celebration to honor his release. Sickening.
ReplyDeletePerhaps Mr Walder proved his ability to communicate but that does not prove his ability to judge. I regard his view as anyone else. Sadly no one else spoke about this in public. Probabaly, to avoid upsetting Skver.
ReplyDeleteDon't understand your point - do you agree with him or not?
ReplyDeleteIf you had made the same point in the press - would you think it worthwhile if the issue of your authority to make the criticism was viewed as more important than the criticism itself?
I agree with what he said regarding the handling of this case by Skver. I still agree with David that Mr Walder opinion is similar to many other individuals. The fact that he is a proven communicator does not imply that his knowledge and jugdment is better than an average person.
ReplyDeleteExcuse me, I saw the videos. There are over 5000 people there. Maybe five percent were dancing. You cannot and should not stereotype the community.
ReplyDeleteMr. Walder should be ashamed to write on a klal. I hope Skvere bans their Chasidim from purchasing his books.
ReplyDeleteIt was celebrated by a few handfuls of friends/family, nothing official and nothing with official support.
ReplyDeleteAre the Gedolim aware of this blog? I'm sure if they would be reading this than they would denounce it.
ReplyDeleteBaloney. The powers that be are not in the habit of issuing press releases whenever a behavior they disapprove of occurs in town. The singing celebrating his release by at most a few handful of friends/family lasted literally not much more than a few minutes. You couldn't have expected a rapid reaction force to have known of it and parachuted in on time to break it up. For all you know they were reprimanded for it afterwards. Of course that is difficult for you to believe since you already decided in advance what "must of" occurred and thus set the storyline as such.
ReplyDeleteThere are tens of thousands of people living there. I don't see the big deal about siphoning off a couple of dozen for a minyan.
ReplyDeleteWell you obviously think you are a gadol - isn't that enough?
ReplyDeleteHow do you know that to be true?
ReplyDeleteIn a Kehila the Rov is the final authority. This is halacha. One cannot deviate from the minhagim of the kehila.
ReplyDeleteEven the Kohen gadol did not wear any gold on Yom Kippur, so as not to remind of the maasseh hoEgel. This celebration should have never happened, and it did not happen for his release. it is much more for show of Victory over the victim. And kedei lehotsi milibam shel tsedokim, elu dvarim shehatsniut vehashtika yafeh lahem. When they had various parshas going on, they did not celebrate their fugitives success of escaping the authorities. Whether one was released from prison for rape or for attempted murder, it is nothing to write home about. Did they celebrate when nebach those victims committed suicide, this is not any different.
ReplyDeleteAt the time, he wasn't recruiting anybody. He was a baal kore on Shabbos for the elderly in the next door old age home. It seems it has snowballed since.
ReplyDeleteA "Rov" whose close followers go about attempting to murder people in their sleep, and whose community celebrates the release of the attempted murderer, is no one anyone needs to obey.
ReplyDeletefor once you are using "Eddie" methodology, and attacking Hareidi people who bend the halacha
ReplyDeleteTo the contrary, it's you who has decided what occurred, and that it couldn't have been too bad. You've been bending over backward to justify and exonerate this thug and his enablers. You even suggested (in the earlier thread) that he didn't intend murder when firebombing a house in which a family slept. You are so in the tank for this guy. One can only wonder why.
ReplyDeleteDo you attack all rabbonim who have a wayward follower who does wrong or only rabbonim you don't like? He acted on his own. And the community didn't celebrate him, it was as noted only a few handful of his own friends/family.
ReplyDeleteBut feel free to write your own storyline changing the facts with no documentation. After all the subject of this post is also a storyteller.
Are you joking? Do you seriously think that no rov/godol heard about this? Only the readers of this blog?
ReplyDeleteThey well have a reason not to denounce this for many reasons. They are public people and must be very careful but it is only right that in such case someone will say something. Be it a regular person.
Only "rabbonim" whose own hoiz bochur attempted to murder a houseful of people. And this following months of threats and violence against the Rottenberg family, none of which was denounced by the "rav" until it was too late.
ReplyDeleteDo you defend all murderers and their enablers or only those whose rebbe you worship?
Another good point: His minyan was not located in New Square. Should all minyanim anywhere near New Square be shuttered lest a Skverer chosid chas v'sholom daven there?
ReplyDeleteBetter yet, they should just dispatch the House Bucher with a firebomb to teach this shameful Walder a lesson that he wont soon forget. Ah zah min chitzpah! Noch a gefehrlicheh moirid b'malchis.
ReplyDeleteYou've made repeated assertions in this post of yours, as well as in numerous prior posts of yours on this topics, that haven't an iota of evidence to support other than your own assumptions.
ReplyDeleteBeing a hoiz bochor or son or student or friend of someone does not indicate the support of the authority figure, parent, teacher or friend in whatever wrongful action that person undertook. Even if he undertook it purportedly in support of his authority figure, parent, teacher or friend.
ReplyDeleteA member of a kehilla is obligated to follow the customs of his kehilla even when he is outside his kehilla or travelling outside his kehilla to do something his rov prohibited. That is halacha. L'havidil just as Americans are subject to American law even when outside the U.S.
ReplyDeleteFive percent is one out of every twenty. That is a lot.
ReplyDeleteNow, who in New Square protested this celebration?
Why did five percent not condemn and fight the celebration???
there was a TV actor in the original Mission Impossible series who became frum, and joined Skver. More recently he was in Law and Order. The story goes that he once went next door into the Star Trek set to get more Yidden for a minyan, since Mr Spock and Captain Kirk wer ealso played by Jewish actors...
ReplyDeleteAnyway, the moral of the story is that whilst James Bond may have a "license to kill" , there is no such thing in halacha. This makes Skver also "open orthodox".
You've made repeated assertions in numerous posts on this topics that haven't an iota of evidence of support other than your own assumptions.
ReplyDeleteHuh?
It indicates plenty about where this guy was coming from, as well as plenty about the sickness permeating this top-down, authoritarian, rigidly-controlled society, as does the failure of the supreme authority to denounce the lesser acts of violence that led up to this one.
ReplyDeleteActually, you've made repeated assertions on this topic without an iota of evidence other than your own wishful thinking.
ReplyDeleteSteven Hill, lives in Monsey NY, if he didn't move since. The Skver rebi let him go on and play, since acting is also a parnassah.
ReplyDeleteJewland has borders and many skvere living outside of it, daven wherever their heart desires. Jews are not slaves, they have bechira, freedom of thought, opinions etc. We are all born equal, except for some and born more equal:) BTW, why does the firrer need to know everybody's leil tvila, Huh? Isn't that supposed to be kept private al pi halacha?
ReplyDeleteYour baseless and evidence-less assertions about any wrongdoer having any official support and/or celebration.
ReplyDeleteIt indicates nothing more than your projection of your own insecurities unto others despite an utter lack of even an iota of evidence.
ReplyDeleteIt indicates nothing more than your projection of your own insecurities unto others despite an utter lack of even an iota of evidence.
ReplyDeleteWhat is it that he is projecting?
I agree that it was not wise or proper for Mr. Rosenberg to rebel while still living in New Square.
However, it was dead wrong the way Square fought Mr. Rosenberg. It was a lot more wrong to turn him and his family into fair play. And even worse, was the hero's welcome the hoze bucherel received this past week. You are wrong for mitigating what Spitzer did. You are wrong for mitigating and denying his community's despicable behavior once he was released. If 5% participated in celebrating his release, you did not have 5-10% objecting to his "hero welcome." This is dead wrong. Good day, David.
Your baseless and evidence-less assertions
ReplyDeleteDid you see the videos and pictures? If not, please educate yourself.
You're missing the point. No one is arguing what Mr. Spitzer did was correct. Mr. Spitzer and Mr. Spitzer alone is responsible for what Mr. Spitzer did. It is specious to argue anyone but Mr. Spitzer is responsible for what he and he alone did. That is the entirety of my point that I've made over and over. The community, the people and the leadership did not set up Mr. Spitzer even if Mr. Spitzer thought what he was doing was for anyone else's benefit. And there has not been even an iota of evidence that anyone other than Mr. Spitzer was fully responsible for his own actions. Other than petty assumptions made by a few based on their inbred dislike or worse of a certain community.
ReplyDeleteYes, indeed I have seen them. It was relatively very very few who sang in celebration of his release. And those were his friends and family who represented no one but themselves.
ReplyDeleteThey celebrated the release of an attempted murderer. If you see nothing wrong with that, it simply confirms that there's something very wrong with you.
ReplyDeleteNo evidence but the man he burned, the firebomb he was holding, his admission that he was planning to burn the house down, his position as hoiz bochur, the fact of the months of harassment the family endured without a word from the rebbe and his chatzeir, the three million dollars Skvere paid in a settlement, and the celebration of his early release. More than enough for me to see that something smells in Denmark.
ReplyDeleteI hate these wicked actions, but not because the perpetrators are chareidi, whereas you simplly hate chareidim. We are, happily, poles apart.
ReplyDelete1. They are a small unrepresentative few.
ReplyDelete2. Once we are getting the facts straight, he wasn't charged or convicted of attempted murder. Nor was that his intention as bad as what he did was. And it was bad.
3. But even attempted murderers, which he was not, are not given life sentences and are eventually released. And prison intends to reform the incarcerated so that his is a productive citizen once released. And considering he isn't a career or serial criminal, and he in fact has already served his time and paid his penalty to society, one can hope he like every releasee will not be a law abiding citizen. He was a first-time offender.
For which he paid his debt to society, served his time after being a first-time offender, and like almost all first time offenders of a violent act was eventually released in accordance with the law and the terms the court imposed so that he can return to society hopefully reformed and chastised to become a productive law abiding citizen in the future.
ReplyDeleteYou have utterly failed to produce a scintilla of evidence of your repeated false allegations that the community or leadership had any involvement. And the reason for that is because none exist due to it being untrue.
But, of course, you will yet again simply repeat and mouth off the same baseless allegations utilizing new fancy words under the assumption that a lie repeated enough times becomes the truth.
How many people did you see dancing that you term them as "very very few"?
ReplyDeleteAnd those were his friends and family
How in the world do you know this?
Also, can you imagine a sign stating the following: "In honor of the early release of the attempted pedophile __________________ there will be free coffee for the next week"? Would anyone - including friends and family - dare put up such a sign and not be afraid of social repercussions? Would such a sign stay up for more than a few moments before it gets torn down in anger and disgust? Yet New Square featured a sign about free coffee due to Spitzer's release. Who ripped it down? (No one!) The excitement about his release - to those who are willing to be knowledgeable and truthful about it - was all over their town.
David you still don't get it.
ReplyDeleteLet's change the case a little. A Palestinian who is an aide to an important sheik decides to burn down the house of a Jewish family in Hebron at night while they are aslepp. Not that he want to kill anyone - but just to teach them a lesson. Of course no one told him to do it - but he knew the settlers were upsetting his people and it was normal to be involved in various types of harassment against them like throwing stones and smashing windows.
After the fire resulted in severe injury to a member of the Jewish family - he was supported strongly by the sheik and the the reporters from the NY Times and CNN. He was provided with a lawyer and his family was given extra attention as well as financial support to make up for the loss of an important source of income for his family.
He was sentenced to 7 years but was let go after 3.5 because he was only a teenager when he set the fire. Of course there was great joy in in village of the news with singing and dancing as well as fireworks and giving out candy.
When irritation was expressed by the Israeli government and various settler groups - the response was - he was only a kid and showed poor judgement. He has matured greatly in the three years. Besides he has paid his debt to the Israeli society. Some rich Saudi donor paid 3 million compensation to the burn victim and it was announced in the village that this was not the way to behave. After all everyone knows the Palestinians are really great lovers of peace- and it is only with the severe provocation of the Israeli's that sometimes immature kids will overreact.
Is that easier to digest?
Enjoy!
ReplyDeleteThis has nothing to do with him paying his debt to society (whatever that means), or with him serving his time, or all the rest of your blah blah blah.
ReplyDeleteWhat it has to do with is the appalling sight of frum Jews celebrating the release from prison of an attempted murderer. Something which clearly does not trouble you, for reasons one can only speculate about.
People who throw firebombs into a house where a family lies sleeping are attempted murderers, regardless of what plea deals they make with prosecutors and what political favors their communities call in. For whatever reason, you seek constantly to minimize his barbaric behavior, as well as that of his enablers and encouragers. It does not speak well of you.
ReplyDeleteI highly doubt this unrepentant thug will be leading a tremendously productive life, except in the eyes of those such as yourself who consider it proper and productive to intimidate people who don't follow every jot and tittle of the Skverrer rulebook.
Some baal haboss paying for the coffee for that reason represents only himself and no one else.
ReplyDeleteIt speaks ill of you and your alleged frumness to have a hatred of other frum Jews because you dislike a Jewish community.
ReplyDeleteYou have it backward, as usual. It's a good thing to hate acts of attempted murder, as well the acts that enable, encourage and celebrate such behavior. I'm proud to oppose such things. It's you who have the warped viewpoint, allowing your slavish devotion to the rebbe to blind you to the evil that was done and is being done in his name.
ReplyDeleteAt this point it has become abundantly clear that you are not seeking to honestly debate this issue. Do you think that "some baal haboss ... gives the place $50 and puts down lzecher nishmas" Micheal Jackson that the sign would not be ripped down within 30 seconds? Do you think that "some baal haboss" would not be scared to give the place $50 and put down lzecher nishmas Micheal Jackson - do you think this "baal haboss" would not be petrified of the consequences he would surly face? You are not being truthful. The only question is if you are just being dishonest with us, or you are being dishonest with yourself as well.
ReplyDeleteIndeed it is good to hate murder. But you are using that as a cover for your hatred of an entire Jewish Kehilla. It is akin to saying Mr. Black Guy killed someone so all blacks are killers. Or a Jew from Baltimore committed a violent crime and his friends expressed happiness when he got out of jail, so all Baltimore Jews are violent criminals and/or supporters of crime. And, you continue, I kishkeyum am proud to denounce all Baltimore Jews as criminals. Including the rabbis of Baltimore. Because I saw a video of friends and family happily welcoming home the Baltimore Jewish ex-con after he was released.
ReplyDeleteAnd you supposedly are Jewish, let alone frum?
Indeed it is good to hate murder. But you are using that as a cover for your hatred of an entire Jewish Kehilla.
ReplyDeleteSo says you. But it's nonsense. I hate none of these people, though I deplore their actions. You say that to draw attention away from your unconscionable defense of some truly repugnant behavior, both by the thug and by his enablers. You have no defense, so you attack instead. So very transparent.
kishkeyum, I am in shock, you sound like I used to, and David like you!
ReplyDeleteJust noticed this foolishness. You are shameless.
ReplyDeleteGood analogy. The free coffee in the beis midrash is like the Palestinians handing out candy to celebrate the killing of Jews. And David makes excuses for this disgusting behavior.
ReplyDeleteYou can do teshuva, kishkeyum. The door is always open for you.
ReplyDeleteIt was the kishkeyum's of antiquity that caused the destruction of the Beis HaMikdash.
ReplyDeleteNo, Eddie, I do not -- see my response to your earlier comment below.
ReplyDeleteBut I will say, in re. to the implication of your words, "llike I used to," that I have noticed a tempering of your tone, for which I commend you.
Uh, yes. Do you think anyone in NS even knows who Michael Jackson is? If someone gave $50 and wrote in lzecher nishmas Michoel Jackson in Yiddish or Hebrew it would easily slip right through with no one the wiser.
ReplyDeleteWhat is your point? Here, they know who Spitzer is, and they let it stay up. A different example: If someone sponsored it for the zechus of Rabbi Nachman of Breslov, would the sign stay up?
ReplyDeleteI have also noticed the same in you :) yosher koach
ReplyDeleteOr in honor of Lipa Schmeltzer!
ReplyDeleteWhat your warped thinking calls teshuva, I call תוהה על הראשונות.
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