To be relevant to this discussion, a BD needs to offer full, professional investigation and fair, prompt adjudication to Jewish victims of crime. How many can claim to have achieved that in the areas of sexual crime and extortion? Do we tell a victim, "Get swindled or defamed over here because you can't take your case over there?"
No name on stationary either.I believe the acknowledged bais din of Lakewood is the Bais Horoya on Madison Ave.under the authority of Rav Shlomo Miller.
And who is going to watch the watchers? There is one now from Monsey that needs 'not' Comply. As they say, do as I tell you, and don't do as I do. Ish kol hayoshor be'einov yaaseh, v'ein poitse pe umtsaftsef.
There is no "acknowledged" bais din in Lakewood. [Acknowledged by whom?] The beis horaah, so far as I know, is not a Choshen Mishpat beis din -- it exists to answer shaalos.
1. How can a beis din today claim they work through shlichus of earlier beis dins (which had smicha) when they charge the litigants and there is no communal support? 2. Beis din has proven their impotence in handling money and spiritual matters. 3. A limited amount of dayanim are aware of the intricacies in contract litigation. I was at a recent shiur with a dayan who was recognized as an expert in halachos of real estate. There was a lawyer in the room with a limited background in real estate law. The lawyer literally schooled the so callex poisek. He was as respectful as possible but the rav was so unaware it was an embarrassment. And, of course, US contract language and concepts play a role when it comes to Jewish law as well. Unfortunately, many people are quick to judge on subjects for which they have limited understanding.
Few batei dinim today carry a real koach of horaa on issur viheter. However, many posers will try to force gitin and other similar actions. People have to use their seichel today. If you can agree on a rav or rabanim to make a pshara, that's the best case scenerio. If a zablah is not happening with relative ease, I would find a heter to go to American courts. The heter is at least as good as the rav in a beis din that will claim that he/they have authority over a nonwilling participant.
Please can someone explain to me the justification for the competing Bobover rebbes to fight out their leadership in secular courts? What message does this give out?
What is this supposed Lakewood BD? Nothing I ever heard of. Just naming yourself Badatz of Lakewood doesn't mean anything.
ReplyDeleteYou can call yourself bet din of agudat yisrael too. Nobody cares, not even agudah.
ReplyDeleteTo be relevant to this discussion, a BD needs to offer full, professional investigation and fair, prompt adjudication to Jewish victims of crime. How many can claim to have achieved that in the areas of sexual crime and extortion? Do we tell a victim, "Get swindled or defamed over here because you can't take your case over there?"
ReplyDeleteNo name on stationary either.I believe the acknowledged bais din of Lakewood is the Bais Horoya on Madison Ave.under the authority of Rav Shlomo Miller.
ReplyDeleteAnd who is going to watch the watchers? There is one now from Monsey that needs 'not' Comply. As they say, do as I tell you, and don't do as I do. Ish kol hayoshor be'einov yaaseh, v'ein poitse pe umtsaftsef.
ReplyDeleteThere is no "acknowledged" bais din in Lakewood. [Acknowledged by whom?] The beis horaah, so far as I know, is not a Choshen Mishpat beis din -- it exists to answer shaalos.
ReplyDeleteWho is Yisroel Knopfler from Lakewood, who is the registered owner of this beis din's e-mail domain?
ReplyDeleteI believe Rabbi Knoffler's Beis Din is called "Beis Din Tzedek of Lakewood."
ReplyDeleteIs this from Rabbi Knofflers Beis Din?
he is explaining the hetter arka'us he gave a well known doctor recently
ReplyDelete1. How can a beis din today claim they work through shlichus of earlier beis dins (which had smicha) when they charge the litigants and there is no communal support?
ReplyDelete2. Beis din has proven their impotence in handling money and spiritual matters.
3. A limited amount of dayanim are aware of the intricacies in contract litigation. I was at a recent shiur with a dayan who was recognized as an expert in halachos of real estate. There was a lawyer in the room with a limited background in real estate law. The lawyer literally schooled the so callex poisek. He was as respectful as possible but the rav was so unaware it was an embarrassment. And, of course, US contract language and concepts play a role when it comes to Jewish law as well.
Unfortunately, many people are quick to judge on subjects for which they have limited understanding.
Few batei dinim today carry a real koach of horaa on issur viheter. However, many posers will try to force gitin and other similar actions. People have to use their seichel today. If you can agree on a rav or rabanim to make a pshara, that's the best case scenerio. If a zablah is not happening with relative ease, I would find a heter to go to American courts. The heter is at least as good as the rav in a beis din that will claim that he/they have authority over a nonwilling participant.
A heter to go to secular court cannot be granted if the other side wants the case in beis din.
ReplyDeletePlease can someone explain to me the justification for the competing Bobover rebbes to fight out their leadership in secular courts? What message does this give out?
ReplyDeleteThe Bobov issue was done in beis din, not secular court. And it has been settled already.
ReplyDeleteI think you're a bit out of touch, mo!
ReplyDeletehttp://failedmessiah.typepad.com/failed_messiahcom/2015/08/bobov-succession-fight-back-in-federal-court-345.html