The Guardian Everybody loves cognitive behavioural therapy.
It’s the no-nonsense, quick and relatively cheap approach to mental
suffering – with none of that Freudian bollocks, and plenty of
scientific backing. So it was unsettling to learn, from a paper in the journal Psychological Bulletin,
that it seems to be getting less effective over time. After analysing
70 studies conducted between 1977 and 2014, researchers Tom Johnsen and
Oddgeir Friborg concluded that CBT is roughly half as effective in
treating depression as it used to be.
What’s
going on? One theory is that, as any therapy grows more popular, the
proportion of inexperienced or incompetent therapists grows bigger. But
the paper raises a more intriguing idea: the placebo effect. The early
publicity around CBT made it seem a miracle cure, so maybe it functioned
like one for a while. These days, by contrast, the chances are you know
someone who’s tried CBT and didn’t miraculously become perfectly happy
for ever. Our expectations have become more realistic, so effectiveness
has fallen, too. Johnsen and Friborg worry that their own paper will
make matters worse by further lowering people’s expectations.
All this highlights something even stranger, though: when it comes to
talk therapy, what does it even mean to speak of the placebo effect?
With pills, it’s straightforward: if I swallow a sugar tablet, believing
it to be an antidepressant, and my depression lifts, then there’s a
good chance the placebo effect is at work. But if I believe that CBT, or
any therapy, is likely to work, and it does, who’s to say if my beliefs
were really the cause, rather than the therapy? Beliefs are an integral
part of the process, not a rival explanation. The line between what I
think is going on and what is going on starts to blur. Truly convince yourself that a psychological intervention is working and by definition it’s working.
Perhaps every era needs a practice it can believe in as a miracle
cure – Freudian psychoanalysis in the 1930s, CBT in the 1990s, mindfulness meditation today – until research gradually reveals it to be as flawed as everything else. [...]
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Mindfulness Is Just As Effective As Cognitive Behavioral Therapy In Treating Anxiety, Depression
Medical Daily According to a new study out of Lund University in Sweden, mindfulness can be just as effective as your typical therapist who practices cognitive behavioral therapy (CBT), which necessitates focusing on negative thoughts and having a discussion, as well as running experiments, on them.
The study, led by Professor Jan Sundquist, was held at 16 primary health care centers in southern Sweden. The researchers trained two mindfulness instructors at each health care center during a six-day training course. Participants of the study, who suffered from depression, anxiety, or severe stress, were gathered into groups of 10 for structured group mindfulness treatment. The patients also received a private training program, and were asked to record their exercises and thoughts in a journal. For eight weeks, all 215 of them went through mindfulness therapy, then answered questions about their depression and anxiety. The researchers found that self-reported symptoms of depression and anxiety had decreased during the treatment period.
“The study’s results indicate that group mindfulness treatment, conducted by certified instructors in primary health care, is as effective a treatment method as individual CBT for treating depression and anxiety,” Sundquist said in a press release. “This means that group mindfulness treatment should be considered as an alternative to individual psychotherapy, especially at primary health care centers that can’t offer everyone individual therapy.”
The notion of mindfulness dates back to ancient Buddhism, and is an essential part of the religion. It involves accepting the present moment and focusing on the sensations, feelings, and thoughts that are happening right now. Being able to reduce the extraneous "noise" from anxiety, worrying, and fear can help people focus on and live in the moment, and also allow them to lessen unnecessary stress. [...]
The freudians would argue that this is due to CBT not getting to the deep underlying causes, ie what goes on in the subconscious. Now it can be disputed whether or not psychoanalysis works and if it does what it claims to, but there are underlying causes, i.e what is inside the "black box". Psychoanlaysis is a theory of what goes on in the subconscious, but it is not proven to be absolutely true.
ReplyDelete@Eddie - you are pulling this out of thin air. The article's point is that CBT has become less effective - not that it hasn't been effective. You also need to show that Freudian therapy is in fact more effective - it isn't.
ReplyDeleteYour point about underlying causes is irrelevant to the point made by the two articles i cited. Please read the Guardian article carefully
DT. You can look up Jonathan Shedler's article 'The efficacy of psychodynamic psychotherapy', where he 'proves' that the 'evidence base' argument, is not really evidenced based.
ReplyDeleteThe Guardian article suggests that both systems worked, but then became less effective. It is analogous to a drug that stops working after the body or infection become resistant to it. I didnt say that PsyA is more effective, i said that this is a matter of dispute. My point is that there is more to the human mind, and we do not have a clear picture of what goes on inside. PsyA postulates a subconscious, but how can this be proven?
ReplyDeleteMaybe psychological therapies are like dance crazes. Or Avodah Zorah. In other words, providing the illusion of fun or spirituality until reality kicks in and they become a drag.
ReplyDelete@Eddie not sure where you "saw such a suggestion" There is no need for proofs from analogies - simple produce the proof that it is more effective then a placebo.
ReplyDeleteMore importantly the article is making a major assertion which you are simply ignoring to discuss the importance of Freud - why do you have such a compulse need to validate Freud?
the last 3 paragraphs suggest this , concl;usion being: "The old techniques weren’t completely wrong; they’d just outlived their
ReplyDeleteusefulness. If the secret of happiness is hard to find, maybe that’s
because the answer keeps changing."
Regarding me and Freud, I am simply stating that there is an unknown area of the mind, and that PsyA postulates the idea of an unconscious. This might explain why various methods become less effective. But I also said nothing is proven.
All therapies are gonna be less effective when people are raised ro believe that the cure is in a pill. Maybe it is the opposite of the placebo effect at work. As an example, I have a few friends that have had weight loss surgeries. Once the surgery became a reasonable possibility for them, they were no longer able to lose weight on their own.
ReplyDeleteFrom http://www.yctorah.org
ReplyDeleteRabbi Ysoscher Katz, Chair of the Department of Talmud and Director of the Lindenbaum Center for Halakhic Studies at YCT, writes about the Supreme Court's recent decision on gay marriage and Modern Chassidish Orthodoxy.
According to the article linked to this blurb, Halacha for this Director of Halacha is a starting point. Meaning he doesn't follow Halacha.
http://forward.com/opinion/311475/weve-heard-enough-rabbis-on-gay-marriage-ruling-now-we-need-a-rebbe/
And what, then, does this Open Orthodox wise guy substitute for Halacha? I ask you to consider this point: the faculty of Yeshivat Chovevei Torah includes a psychiatrist and a social worker. And I defy anyone to find a YCT Rabbi denigrating psychiatry and social work the same way they smash through the fences of the Torah.
"Oh...we ignore the 'science' when it's convenient." Nope. Quotes like that don't happen on the YCT website.
From the YCT website: "Self-awareness is critical to a student's ability to relate empathically to others and to be effective and fulfilled. To encourage reflection on personal and group experiences in the course of their residence at the Yeshiva, students of each year participate in a weekly process group with a trained psychiatrist. These sessions also help to develop group identity and serve as a model for future collegial support."
How long do you thing a student would last at YCT if Rabbi Zev Farber style he consistently maintained, "Freud never lived", or "Psychiatry inspires me, but I believe that the 'process' of this weekly process group is artificial and made up with no scientific underpinning"?