“You can never stop wearing masks,” said Lipa Schmeltzer, eyes on
everything but the road, “you can only choose what mask you want to
wear.” A few hours into a recent day, Schmeltzer had taken off his
entertainer mask—through which he constantly posed and smiled and
shouted, to make others laugh—and transformed into a proud Columbia
University student. (“I never even heard of the Ivy Leagues!” he said.)
His love of “secular knowledge” burst forth like a broken dam. Here was
Schmeltzer, quoting an important essay about the nature of identity.
“That’s from an essay I’m reading, by Wendy Doniger,” he said, referring
to her essay “Many Masks, Many Selves.” “I love the way she writes.”
The idea was to capture a typical day in the life of the most
recognizable Orthodox Jewish singer in the world, a man whose “Mizrach” music video
garnered more than 1.4 million views on YouTube, a Jewish figure who
appeals to all types of Jews, regardless of gender, affiliation, belief,
or politics. Raised ultra-Orthodox in the Skverer sect, Schmeltzer
quietly left his community in 2010, when he moved from New Square to
Airmont, New York. He remained Orthodox and observant but no longer
follows the strict rules of the sect he grew up in, especially in regard
to secular studies and interactions with women and non-Jews, among
other lifestyle choices. Now at the end of his second semester at
Columbia University—secular higher education remains a rare occurrence
for Skverer Hasidim—he was embarking on a new stage of his already
storied life, exploring the boundaries and capabilities of a fluid
religious identity. [...]
in the chareidi world, is he considered a failure?
ReplyDeleteThe guy is a meshugana. Always was. It just keeps changing how he manifests it.
ReplyDeleteHe's a clown in the chareidi world.
ReplyDeletePeople use clowns for their entertainment.
he can walk into any shul, yeshiva, shtieble in the world, and they'll give him the amud immediately. (Only possible exception is skver itself, and i'm not sure the rebbe most probably give him the amud there (maybe after a private tounge lashing.) )
ReplyDeletehow is he a "failure", what did he fail.
ReplyDeleteRemember another singer (whose nigunim are the basis for chazzanut today) who could walk into any shul in lakewood or anywhere in the world (except perhaps the lower east side) and the kahal would gladly give him the 'amud' despite certain personal issues (that wasn't a problem in his day.)
ReplyDeleteConsidering the moral relativism running rampant in the halls of "higher" education, maybe we should call it the "Poison Ivy League".
ReplyDeleteI don't know what your background is, but if you ask such a question, putting everyone in the same "Charedi" basket, you come across as somewhat ignorant. I can't speak Skvere, but in Lakewood, for example, it is perfectly acceptable by most people for someone looking for a livelihood to get a college degree. There is a big difference between America and Israel in this regard.
ReplyDelete"The 'hamon am' (rank and file) love him."
ReplyDeleteNot exactly. Sure, there are some who love him and all, but there are plenty who see him as an attention whore who has long ago crossed the line and isn't worthy of respect. I'm somewhat agnostic on the whole Lipa S. parshah. I feel for him because Skver definitely couldn't offer him the worldliness that he craved - and he's far from alone in that. On the other hand, he could have had that and more without being such an outlier - there are plenty of Skver chassidim who've figured out how to live in both worlds and not screw up their kids in the process.
So while I feel for him, I don't have much respect for how he's gone about his business.
Was there something wrong with my comment?
ReplyDeleteRav Yaakov Kaminetzky z"l said that people from sheltered environments such as New Square and Kiryas Yoel are in great danger or being bowled over when the enter the secular world. It's טוב מראה עינים מחלך נפש
ReplyDelete@Nat nothing was wrong with your comment. I just happened to have spent the last 5 hours in Kiryat Sefer for a family simcha and I didn't have internet access.
ReplyDeleteMazel Tov!
ReplyDeleteThat is not an accurate quote of Rav Yaakov.
ReplyDeleteI heard it from him directly in the Monday night shiur that he used to give.
ReplyDeleteI couldn't agree more...I never thought of him as very intelligent and his music was cute for opening up ther genre does not age properly. I think it lacks taam.
ReplyDeleteThe test in my mind is which is first, the baal menagan or the show biz entertainer. Carlebach was a terrific master of neginah, he grew in depth and seriousness and despite personal weknesses retained his dignity. Lipa is an entertainer who has lost his dignity...pathetic figure. Let's hope he can pull it together and amount to something worthwhile.
My favorite baal menagan is Motti Steinmetz. Almost nothing written about him. I wonder why?
Can you share the full context of what he said? i.e. what this conversation was originally about that brought out this point - and what was the reason he made this point. Thanks
ReplyDelete1. In my opinion, Lipa is not important enough to be seen as a controversial figure; nor am I familiar with people who sit around and discuss him.
ReplyDelete2. That is not really an excuse; moreover, you don't really know who in this site is Charedi.
It was a long time ago and I don't remember what the context was. The clear impression was that he felt that it was a bad idea for those that will ultimately be exposed to the secular world. The example was given of members of KJ and NS going to work in Manhattan and seeing technological marvels such as huge skyscrapers and other advanced technology and thinking that there is great power in the secular world that has been hidden from them and what else have they been missing.
ReplyDeleteTov mareh aynayim maihalach nofesh says that the what one sees is better than the reality of the act. The same thing applies here. The dazzling new environment will appear to be much more appealing than it really is.
In the article, Lipa is all enthralled with some essay probably by some Liberal loudmouth which any of us that have some secular education would immediately dismiss as tendentious claptrap but to him it's all part of his wondrous new world of secular knowledge.
I wholeheartedly agree with this point. And most of the people "enthralled" with their newfound worldliness of secularism go much farther than Lipa did (S. Deen, for example). This would have been easily alleviated by giving a couple of their usually wasted afternoon hours to a little math and science education.
ReplyDeleteWhich reminds me of a great story I heard involving R' Yaakov Zt"l. A chasid once brought his ambidextrous son to R' Yaakov to ask him which arm the boy should put his tefilin on. R' Yaakov asked the boy--Which hand do you throw the ball with? To which the father answered--Chas veShalom, er shpilt nisht kein ball (he doesn't play ball). To which R' Yaakov responded--So which hand do you hit your chaver with?
By calling him a clown, you seek to denigrate him. Actually, he's an entertainer. I enjoy his music occasionally, he certainly has a good voice. His antics neither annoy me nor interest me. Not sure what your issue is with him, but he seems like a sweet guy.
ReplyDeleteCarlebach retained his dignity? He had none to retain. You should watch some video of him in his final years. He seems to have been rehabilitated posthumously to some extent, memories are short, but let's not rewrite history, okay?
ReplyDeleteWhat was he like in his final years and how did the community view him while he was still alive that we are now fogetting?
ReplyDeleteHe subtly mocks rabbonim in his personal life and thinks he needs fix chareidi society.
ReplyDeleteIn his final years he came across as completely drug-addled. In his salad years he was viewed by bnei Torah as a weirdo and a shaigetz (both for good reason) and listening to his music was discouraged. Not to say no one listened, but it was viewed as somewhat "off." He certainly wasn't the celebrated wise hippie sage he's being made into today.
ReplyDeleteI wonder, if you didn't know this, on what did you base your statement about his supposed dignity?
Okay, but he remains a plumber not a clown.
ReplyDeleteThe first David is different than I. (Hard to tell unless you click each name and see it is different profiles.)
ReplyDeleteReb Yaakov zt"l preached and practiced moderation & balance in life. Just acquaint yourself with his children, siblings (& sisters), grandchildren, nieces & nephews & there is not a nicer, finer, royal & balanced family.
ReplyDeleteThat is great & an example of his quick wit!
ReplyDeleteHe has a lovely wife & children, so not sure who screwed who?
ReplyDeleteAlso, can u share with us some of the success stories of Skere?
Got to be in the 50-60 year crowd to answer those questions?
ReplyDeleteRight you are. Sorry.
ReplyDeleteHis comments about this issue match that approach.
ReplyDeleteHe was considered the pikayach of his generation and he understood the world situation.
I have no wish to discuss his wife and children but suffice to say that time will tell who's right on this one.
ReplyDeleteI know plenty of Skver chassidim who work in professional fields [CPA's, entrepreneurs, the trades, etc.] and manage to be upright chassidim and functioning members of society. Some of them have attended college in one form or another and others have attended trade school. They're doing fine. The key is not to live in Squaretown if you wish to expand your horizons and many of them don't for that very reason. I'll not provide names obviously but they're there aplenty.
Indeed, we're not the same. I've often wondered about that myself :)
ReplyDeleteAmazing how everyone missed the point. His problem is that he has raised (or lowered) the already degenerate 'popular' Jewish music to new levels of absurdity. When I first heard someone play his "Nischt oif Shabbos Geret" I asked both alarmingly and disdainfully, "Who is that?"
ReplyDeleteAmazing how everyone missed the point
ReplyDeleteExcept you, naturally. And of course you don't really think it's amazing. You know everyone else is an idiot. This is just your way of letting us all know how smart you are.
I asked both alarmingly and disdainfully, "Who is that?"
"Alarmingly?" Really? Who was alarmed by your disdainful question?