Wednesday, January 13, 2021

A wife is acquired What does that mean?

Netziv (Meishiv Davar 4:35):Question: You asked a second time to discuss what does it mean that a man acquires (kinyan) a wife? Why and for what purpose is she acquired. This is that you wrote in the first letter in which you noted that according to the Torah a man makes no acquisition of the woman except in respect to intercourse – however aside from intercourse there is absolutely no acquisition. As a consequence if she makes a neder (vow) and says that she is prohibiting him from the pleasure of intercourse with her – there is no need to nullify the neder. But she can be pressured to have intercourse - in spite of the neder - because for that purpose she was acquired by her husband. Answer: This matter is very clear. This that it says in the Torah that the wife is kinyan kaspo (acquired with money) and also this that we find that the wife of a man is his slave and maidservant – the intent is clearly that she is like his slave and maidservant – but not literally so. Just as the work of a slave’s hand belongs to his master so is his wife regarding intercourse but not in any other aspect. A clear proof that a wife is not literally a slave to her husband is that our Sages say that according to the Torah, the work of her hands does not belong to her husband. But how do our Sages know this. Is it stated clearly in the Torah? But doesn't the Torah say that she is kinyan kaspo (acquired by money) which is the same description given for a slave and maidservant? So what is the source that her work does not belong to her husband? In fact let’s reverse the question, how do we know that his wife is obligated to him regarding intercourse and therefore cannot prohibit herself sexually to her husband. There is no problem if he was the one making the neder and said that he is prohibiting her from having intercourse with him. Of course the neder would not be valid because we have a clear Torah verse prohibiting him from diminishing her rights to sexual intercourse. And even according to the view that that verse is only talking about his obligation to cloth her, nevertheless the neder is still not valid because he is obligated to satisfy her sexually from a kal v’chomer. As we see in a braissa in the Mechilta (Shoftim). Rav Yonason said “she ‘era kesuba” is referring to clothing which is appropriate for her body. If she is young she should not be given clothing for an old person. Additionally that this verse can mean that she should not be given clothing for the summer in the winter and vice versa…. And how do we know that he needs to feed her?…How do we know intercourse?. There is a kal v’chomer. And those things which she didn’t get married for you cannot prevent her from having, those things for which she did marry to get she surely cannot be prevented from having. (I speak further about this in my sefer HaEmek She’ela (6:1). In contrast regarding the wife - she cannot withhold the pleasure of intercourse from the husband. So what is the source that says she is required to have intercourse with him? Perhaps it is from the fact that she is called “kinyan kaspo” (acquired with money) and that she is owned by the husband also in regard to everything else like his maidservant? But that is clearly not so and it is an elementary from the verse “When a man takes a wife”. Why does it end “And he has sexual relations with her” – and mentions nothing else? From this we learn that only for that particular aspect i.e., sexual intercourse she is acquired by him like a maidservant to serve him – but not for anything else….The kinyan (acquisition) of the man is only concerning the sexuality of wife. This is not a question regarding an unmarried woman according to the view of the Rambam who says it is prohibited to have intercourse with an unmarried woman. But even according to those who disagree with the Rambam – having intercourse with an unmarried women is only optional - but she is not obligated to have intercourse with him. And if he forces an unmarried woman to have intercourse – G-d forbid - then he is required to pay her for shame and degradation. Forcing an unmarried woman is like theft and like beating someone. In contrast his wife who is acquired by him – she is required to have intercourse with him any time he wants and if she does not do it willingly he is able to force her – just as a master who forces his maidservant to do who work. All of this is very clear and it isn’t worthwhile going over it again…. It is important to note that a man’s wife is acquired by him and also sanctified by him. It is important to understand that these two things are separate. Acquisition (kinyan) means that she is required to have intercourse with her husband just as a slave is required to do his work for his master. In contrast, kiddushin (sanctification) is like hekdesh i.e., she is prohibited to others. The significance of having two separate aspects is that from the point of view of the wife being acquired to her husband – it is considered theft if she gave her love to someone else and did nothing else. This would be like a slave who works for someone other than his master at a time when he had work to do for his master – this is pure theft. On the other hand purely from the point of view of acquisition, if her husband gave her permission to have intercourse with someone else it would be permitted – just as a slave who was permitted to work for someone else. Consequently that is why she is also sanctified (mekudeshesh) from which there is no escape except by receiving a Get from her husband or if he dies. However from the pure perspective of sanctification, I would not know that she has any obligation or that she is acquired by her husband. I would only know that she is prohibited to others through the sanctification. Consequently that is why she also has to be acquired. I have already written in the name of the Rambam that if one sanctifies an unborn baby that the kiddushin is valid and the baby is a married woman and is prohibited to others – but the baby is not also acquired by the husband. Consequently if a man sanctifies a woman who is prohibited to him by a negative commandment, she is definitely not acquired by him but she is in fact sanctified to him. Therefore anyone else who has intercourse with her is committing adultery…In summary, there is no doubt that a wife is only acquired (kinyan) by her husband concerning her sexuality and nothing else and there is no reason to repeat this again.

Pleasure is undesirable

Nesivos Shalom (letter after 3 months translation by Dr. Benny Brown) The early chasidim of the previous generation, whom we were privileged to witness, had shed their sweat and blood in the struggle against permitted pleasures, in just the same way as those who struggle to refrain from the most strictly prohibited acts. They struggled more to resist a commandment that pleasures the body than they struggled to resist a transgression that gives the body no pleasure at all. The Sages had said: “He should love his wife as his own flesh,” and. the early chasidim interpreted it -  but not as his own soul. When someone once said to Rabbi Avraham the Angel, who practiced strict sexual abstinence, that by this he was bound to lose his share in the World to Come, he replied: “The World to Come is worth losing in order to avoid the pleasures of This World.” Some of them would weep copiously every leil tevilah. They would repent the required [and permitted sexual act] just as one repents a grave sin, lest their bodies experience physical pleasure. They feared the kelipah [evil force] of permission more than the kelipah of prohibition. [...] and our Rebbe [the Beys Avrom], of blessed memory, told us that Rav Mikhl Sofer of Kobrin did not realize that his wife was lame even after three years of marriage. Such was their holiness. And we—what are we by comparison, whose hearts are weak and whose brains are dull?! For when the heart and the brains fail to function, the liver, where lust dwells, takes hold of the body. The boiling, impure blood overflows, and the evil inclination burns like fire, even among those who are engaged in Torah study and mitzvos all day long

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Netziv (Bereishis 30:23)Rachel called the baby Yosef because she said G-d stopped her degradation According to the simple meaning all creature that have not accomplished their purpose are lacking and thus degraded in particular a childless woman. Consequently all intercourse with them that doesn’t result in children but is done for pleasure is also a degradation.

What are genuine Torah principles?

 Am having a discussion whether yeridas hadoros is a Torah principle despite the  existence of a few gemoras that state it I think the answer is no! 
you can not prove anything from a few isolated gemoras. The failure of the Rambam, Shulchan Aruch and many others to use the principle indicates it is not mainstream. 
This is like the assumption that hashgacha protis applies to everything, beshert is real, or that faith will get you anything. As well as all that happens can only be from G-d, also the idea that the ideal is asceticism. You can add others such as astrology or that everything that happens is for the good.
 כסף משנה הלכות ממרים פרק ב הלכה א
[א] בית דין הגדול שדרשו וכו'. למד כן רבינו ממאי דאשכחן תנאי בתראי דפליגי אקמאי וכן אמוראי בתראי פליגי אקמאי והא דתנן בפ"ק דעדיות (משנה ה') שאם יראה ב"ד את דברי היחיד ויסמוך עליו שאין ב"ד יכול לבטל דברי ב"ד חבירו עד שיהא גדול ממנו בחכמה ובמנין מוקי לה רבינו בשאותו יחיד ואותם רבים נחלקו בגזירה או תקנה כלומר שאם ב"ד פסק כדעת היחיד אין ב"ד אחר יכול לחלוק ולפסוק כדעת הרבים אלא אם היה גדול וכו' וכמו שיתבאר בסמוך אבל אם נחלקו בשזה דורש באחת מן המדות וזה באחרת אה"נ שיכול לבטל דבריו אפילו שאינו גדול כמוהו בחכמה ובמנין. ואם תאמר אם כן אמאי לא פליגי אמוראי אתנאי דהא בכל דוכתא מקשינן לאמורא ממתניתין או מברייתא וצ"ל אנא דאמרי כי האי תנא ואם לא יאמר כן קשיא ליה וכפי דברי רבינו הרשות נתונה להם לחלוק על דברי התנאים. ואפשר לומר שמיום חתימת המשנה קיימו וקבלו שדורות האחרונים לא יחלקו על הראשונים וכן עשו גם בחתימת הגמ' שמיום שנחתמה לא ניתן רשות לשום אדם לחלוק עליה:

Cuomo on Trump speech: Only people who thought it was appropriate was that mob

What Impeachment Won't Change: How the GOP Became the Party of Trump Over Several Decades

 https://time.com/5928937/trumpism-deeply-rooted-republican-party/

The Trump presidency was a product, not the cause, of the new Republican Party. President Trump’s success was only possible because of the transformation that the party underwent since the 1980s. So deeply rooted is the dysfunction that shapes the GOP that even the shock and awe of a presidentially incited mob storming Capitol Hill won’t fundamentally shift what the party is all about.
 While it is true that Democrats and Republicans have moved further apart, with the number of moderates having vastly diminished, the GOP has become much more radicalized than the Democrats. As a whole, Republicans have shifted further to the right than Democrats, as a whole, have moved to the left. Just as important, Republicans have embraced a much more extreme approach to partisan warfare, proving more willing to damage institutions and shatter norms than their opponents. Democrats come prepared for a pillow fight, as Trump’s advisor Steve Bannon argued, Republicans for the head wound.

NYC Jewish newspaper stirs outrage with photo ‘glorifying’ Capitol riots



 https://www.jpost.com/american-politics/nyc-jewish-newspaper-stirs-outrage-with-photo-glorifying-capitol-riots-655246

In the picture, Gila Jedwab, a Five Towns Jewish Times columnist, is seen standing outside the Capitol building with the rioters in the background smiling broadly and with her hands outstretched.

McConnell said pleased with Trump impeachment as 3 Republicans vow to back move

 https://www.timesofisrael.com/mcconnell-said-pleased-with-trump-impeachment-as-3-republicans-vow-to-back-move/

The report came as three Republicans, including third-ranking House GOP leader Liz Cheney of Wyoming, announced they would vote to impeach Trump, cleaving the party’s leadership.

“The President of the United States summoned this mob, assembled the mob, and lit the flame of this attack,” said Cheney in a statement. “There has never been a greater betrayal by a President of the United States of his office and his oath to the Constitution.”

Cheney’s announcement marks the first time since Richard Nixon’s resignation in 1974 that a leader of the president’s own party has backed impeachment.

McConnell furious with president, supports move to initiate impeachment proceedings: sources

 https://www.foxnews.com/politics/mcconnell-believes-trump-committed-impeachable-offenses-supports-democrats-impeachment-efforts-report

Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell supports Democrats' move to initiate impeachment proceedings against President Trump and is "done" and "furious" with him, sources familiar told Fox News.

The New York Times first reported that McConnell was pleased that House Democrats introduced an article of impeachment against Trump.

Tuesday, January 12, 2021

The bonkers Republican logic on why Trump shouldn't be impeached

 https://edition.cnn.com/2021/01/12/politics/trump-impeachment-riot-capitol/index.html

 

To do what the likes of Graham, Brady and Kilmeade is, quite simply, to let mob rule win. We can't act to punish the President, who clearly egged on the rioters, because it could lead to more riots!
Tell me how that differs from arguing after September 11 that we had better not seek to punish those responsible for the bombings because it might further incite them and lead to more bombings? Or how we had better not strike back after Pearl Harbor because it could lead to further attacks on the United States?
Right. You get it.
You can disagree with the strategy of impeaching the President with only eight days (and counting) left in his term. That's a fine debate to have. But you cannot in good conscience argue that impeachment shouldn't happen because it could trigger a violent reaction from Trump's supporters.
That already happened, people! Did you miss the p

Chasidic tale of marriage and adultery

 











Writings of Rav Yeshaya Shuv (#6) The grandson of Avraham Provishter who was known as the little Rav Avraham Malach the brother of the Rizhiner Rebbe who died without children from his second wife because he wasn’t married in this world.The Rizhiner gave chalitza to his wife. And Rav Avraham fulfilled the mitzva of divorce (He divorced his first wife). She was the daughter of a tzadik and he never had intercourse with her at all. She ended up committing adultery but no one knew that. However her husband the righteous Rav Avraham convinced her to repent and she confessed to him regarding her transgression. He immediately gave her a Get and she left him and returned to her home. However when she got home she regretted the confession and denied any wrong doing and raised a protest against Rav Avraham that he divorced her without cause. The great tzadik from Barditchov went to  chastise Rav Avraham regarding this. When he came to his community in Provishtev, the wife of the holy tzadik Rav Shalom the mother of Rav Avraham was still alive. She told him, “You have come to criticize my son Rav Avraham. If they say that you are a tzadik like my husband who all his life never had intercourse with me except when I got pregnant with my children as the gemora says about RavYossi )Shabbos 118b) “I had intercourse five times and had five sons” then you can criticize my child otherwise you cannot criticize him. He returned home without saying a word to him. 

 

Shabbos (118b):                R. Jose said: I cohabited five times and planted five cedars in Israel. Who are they? R. Ishmael son of R. Jose, R. Eleazar son of R. Jose, R. Halafta son of R. Jose, R. Abtilos son of R. Jose, and R. Menahem son of R. Jose. But there was Wardimos?- Wardimos and Menahem are identical, and why was he called Wardimos? Because his face was like a rose [werad]. Shall we say that R. Jose did not fulfil his marital duties?[except 5 times] — Rather say, I cohabited five times and repeated.