Sunday, May 10, 2020

“The Discussion Is Basically Over”: Why Scientists Believe the Wuhan-Lab Coronavirus Origin Theory Is Highly Unlikely

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2020/05/why-scientists-believe-the-wuhan-lab-coronavirus-origin-theory-is-highly-unlikely


Over the past couple of weeks, the theory that SARS-CoV-2 might have accidentally leaked from a lab inside the Wuhan Institute of Virology has become a heavily touted casus belli in President Trump’s new cold war with China, as administration officials build their case to blame the whole catastrophe on Xi Jinping’s Communist Party. The lab theory was pushed hard by Secretary of State Mike Pompeo, even as the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff declared that in all likelihood, the virus did not originate in a lab. American allies, meanwhile, appear to be freaked out by the rumor-mongering. “We can’t repeat the mistakes of the past. The WMDs fiasco was not that long ago,” a former senior Australian security official told the Sydney Morning Herald.
 
The lab-accident scenario seems the stuff of Hollywood thrillers—and perfect as propaganda, which operates on principles similar to those of thrillers—but there are a few facts that give it a surface plausibility. The Wuhan lab happens to conduct bat-coronavirus research, and it also happens to be located not that far from the seafood market where an early cluster of cases first emerged in late 2019. But, appealing and useful as it is in certain kinds of narratives, the lab theory leaves many virology and epidemiology types highly skeptical. To get a sense of scientists’ reservations, I spoke with Kristian Andersen, a professor in the Department of Immunology and Microbiology at Scripps Research. He was the lead author on a March 17 paper, published in the journal Nature Medicine, that is seen as the definitive research supporting a natural virus origin. “We do not believe that any type of laboratory-based scenario is plausible,” Andersen’s team, which compared the available genome sequence data for known coronavirus strains, concluded.

12 comments :

  1. Kalonymus HaQatanMay 10, 2020 at 3:14 PM

    Hans Christian Andersen, a well known author of children's fairy stories.
    Lab outbreak _ https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/11586875/wuhan-lab-studying-bats-shut-october/
    Lab was shut down, mobile phones cut off. Smoking gun evidence

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  2. Wow! cant believe you believe what you write!

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  3. Kalonymus HaQatanMay 10, 2020 at 3:29 PM

    This article is nonsense. He is giving an arbitrary probability of a lab escape. A professor of maths and statistical physics actually explained that assigning probability to such events is meaningless and a misuse of probability theory. Probability applies to equiprobable events, such as throwing dice, drawing lottery balls etc. Escape of virus in an imperfect system where human error, faulty equipment and unknown pathogens interact cannot be assigned probabilities.

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  4. Kalonymus HaQatanMay 10, 2020 at 3:35 PM

    So you believe only the theories that support your position.
    Hans Christian Andersen is saying that the pandemic began around November. What a surprise, the Wuhan lab in question was in Lockdown in October. A major incident occurred. What do you think happened? Do you trust a regime that murdered 45 million of its own people under Mao@ cultural revolution? China is a bigger version of North Korea.

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  5. Kalonymus HaQatanMay 10, 2020 at 4:14 PM

    Picture of technician wearing ineffective surgical mask , the refrigerator has broken seal. This is not a secure lab.
    https://www.thesun.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2020/05/NINTCHDBPICT000582014988.jpg

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  6. you really believe in conspiracy theories!

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  7. Kalonymus HaQatanMay 10, 2020 at 5:39 PM

    Your assumptions are based on the article by pompeo jr. In vanity fair. However, the assumption that the lab was secure are debunked by evidence of big flaws both in Wuhan and field lab.
    I presume you have not spent any serious time in a lab with dangerous, explosive or infectious substances?

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  8. “The Discussion Is Basically Over” Allow me to change the subject. Torah thought בהר בחקתי
    “The Lord spoke to Moses on Mount Sinai: Speak to the Israelite people and say to them: When you enter the land that I assign to you, the land shall observe a sabbath of the Lord. Six years you may sow your field and six years you may prune your vineyard and gather in the yield. But in the seventh year the land shall have a sabbath of complete rest, a sabbath of the Lord: you shall not sow your field or prune your vineyard.” (Leviticus 25:1-4).
    Hertz Chumash p. 531: “1. spoke unto Moses. Better, had spoken unto Moses. As these laws are intended to meet the social problems that would arise in the Israelitish Commonwealth, they bring legal part of Leviticus to an appropriate conclusion. 2. The land keep a sabbath. The land is personified. It should rest in the seventh year, as man rests on the seventh day.” Beautiful.
    Can we discuss this? https://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/279913
    "In a Zoom conference with the Conference of European Rabbis (CER), the two described the health authorities' attitude towards coronavirus patients over 60 years of age. They don't provide medical aid, certainly not ventilators, and to our great sorrow we have again seen actual opposition, even in the Jewish nursing home. They don't evacuate patients who require hospitalization, and since we were called in to help, unfortunately, we have lost another four elderly. They also speed up their deaths, by giving them high doses of morphine," the two said. Later in the meeting, Rabbi Ralbag discussed the CER's court in Amsterdam for women whose husbands refused to grant them a divorce, and the unprecedented ruling of the Dutch court: to arrest one of the divorce-refusing husbands for six months, due to his refusal to appear in the Jewish court. "Even though he is not a resident of Holland, the court issued an arrest warrant for him, allowing any country which is a member of the European Union to enforce it," he said.”
    Yikes! The CER court in Amsterdam wants to jail a supposed recalcitrant husband for six months! Terrible. Is this what Meir Kin is angry about in Israel rabbinical courts: the women is always right, her accusations are believed, jail sentences for recalcitrant husbands etc.?
    I remind everyone that Judge Freda sentenced Mendel Epstein to jail for 10 years and issued an immunity for Rabbi Aryeh Ralbag’s testimony in that trial.
    Allow me here my new motion to the NYS Court of Appeals:
    “3.I filed my motion to the Kings County Supreme Court April 19, 2020 with notice of motion May 5, 2020. I filed further court papers: April 26, 2020, May 1, 2020, and May 3, 2020. Exhibit B: SCOTUS filed May 10, 2019 Motion for poor person relief is my support that I deserve poor person relief. Exhibit C: SCOTUS filed May 10, 2019 Petition Docket 18--9390 shows the history of my case. Exhibit D: TIAA Letter to Gerald Aranoff 4/30/2020 shows the only response I received from TIAA. Exhibit E: Memorandum 23213/91 June 23, 1997 William Rigler, J.S.C. shows how bad Judge Rigler and TIAA were in those early years. Exhibit F: Rabbi Solomon Kornfeld 7/1/1991; and Exhibit G: Deena 8/11/1991; and Exhibit H: Mrs. Rose Aranoff 12/4/1991 shows my early supporters.
    4.I ask that the NYS Court of Appeals calendar the present motion.”

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  9. Kalonymus HaQatanMay 10, 2020 at 5:59 PM

    Conspiracy theories usually have a predictable structure big Pharma big oil Illuminati etc controlling something with financial markets Vaccines Media etc. This is exactly the kind of theory that berrel always brings.
    Judy Mikovits is also entwining this conspiracy in to what she says. Again, blaming big pharmaceutical companies as they will benefit from vaccine sales and enslave us with these evil vaccines.

    I don't subscribe to these big conspiracy theories. It's not Zionism, Freemasonry or big pharma.

    Also, my critique of Dr fauci is regarding his work on engineering viruses. It's not clear if the virus was engineered. An engineered virus outbreak could be even more deadly than covid 19.

    Wuhan had bat virus samples, engineered virus, and flawed security, thus posing a serious risk of virus escape and pandemic. Nothing conspiratorial about that statement.

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  10. You know, during WW2 reports of mass killings of Jews were also dismissed as foolish tales and attempts by "world Jewry" to influence America to enter a war it didn't want to be part of.

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  11. Kalonymus HaQatanMay 10, 2020 at 8:12 PM

    this lady could easily pick up the virus, then infect her colleagues in the building

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  12. What is a conspiracy theory?

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