Wednesday, July 31, 2019

Donald Trump says he spent a lot time with 9/11 responders. Here are the facts


https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2019/jul/30/donald-trump-says-he-spent-lot-time-911-responders/

President Donald Trump suggested that he spent "a lot of time" with first responders after Sept. 11 as he signed an extension of the 9/11 Victim Compensation Fund.
"Many of those affected were firefighters, police officers, and other first responders. And I was down there also, but I’m not considering myself a first responder. But I was down there. I spent a lot of time down there with you," Trump said July 29 in the Rose Garden.
Trump’s comment, which appeared ad-libbed compared to the rest of his speech, didn’t go as far as some previous ones he made about his role in helping clear the rubble or supplying workers to help. But it still raised eyebrows. Some critics took his comment to mean Trump was taking credit for helping in the rescue and cleanup effort at Ground Zero (inspiring #LostTrumpHistory).
On the campaign trail in 2016 Trump said he helped with clearing the rubble.
"Everyone who helped clear the rubble — and I was there, and I watched, and I helped a little bit — but I want to tell you: Those people were amazing," Trump said at a rally in Buffalo. "Clearing the rubble. Trying to find additional lives. You didn't know what was going to come down on all of us — and they handled it."
The Washington Post and the Associated Press sought information from the Trump campaign in 2016 about how he helped, and they didn’t receive responses. We also tried to verify his claim and could not.

11 comments :

  1. only those who care about truth and reality as opposed to lies and fake news

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  2. That makes eminent sense. I thoroughly get that and respect that.

    What I don't get is why people who care about truth and reality are being unrealistic and dishonest with themselves in having an expectation that they are ever going to find truth and reality in American politics, or that pointing out the swampiness of politicians will nudge those politicians into embracing political suicide!

    The system is rigged to make it virtually impossible to get elected on a platform based on truth and reality.

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  3. I should add that Marianne Williamson seems to be a very honest candidate -- albeit, one polling at 1%.

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  4. Maryland will go Democratic in the next Presidential election no matter how I vote, so my vote is irrelevant. Nevertheless, I would vote for Ms. Williamson over Donald Trump precisely because of her straightforwardness.

    You heard it here first.

    (BUT if polls showed Donald Trump might squeak out Maryland, I would vote for Mr. Trump.)

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  5. why do you care about the truthfulness of Gedolim but not Trump?

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  6. Because Gedolim are portrayed as honest learned men. And if they aren't, they are frauds.

    President Trump was a known quantity when we elected him. We got what we voted for. So, no fraud there.

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  7. Donald Trump's butler told this story:

    Donald Trump would tell people that the murals on the wall in his child's room at Mar-a-Lago were drawn by Walt Disney.

    What more did we need to know?

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nytimes.com/2016/03/16/us/politics/donald-trump-butler-mar-a-lago.amp.html

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  8. you obviously believe the hype.
    why?
    basically gedolim are political leaders and the Torah describes a successful gadol as one who knows how to lie ;e.g. Yaakov and Aaaron
    while a n incompetent gadol is a poor liar e.g. the Spies and Korach


    kesubos 17a The bride as she is.1 And Beth Hillel say: ‘Beautiful and graceful bride’!2 Beth Shammai said to Beth Hillel: If she was lame or blind, does one say of her: ‘Beautiful and graceful bride’? Whereas the Torah3 said, ‘Keep thee far from a false matter.’4 Said Beth Hillel to Beth Shammai: According to your words,5 if one has made a bad purchase in the market, should one praise it6 in his eyes or depreciate it?7 Surely,8 one should praise it in his eyes. Therefore,9 the Sages said: Always should the disposition of man be pleasant with people. — When R. Dimi came,10 he said: Thus they sing before the bride in the West:11 no powder12 and no paint13 and no waving14 [of the hair], and still a graceful gazelle. When the Rabbis ordained R. Zera they sang before him thus: No powder and no paint and no waving [of the hair], and still a graceful gazelle. When the Rabbis ordained R. Ammi and R. Assi they sang before them thus: Such as these, such as these ordain unto us, [but] do not ordain unto us of the perverters15 or babblers,16 and some say: of the half-scholars17 or one-third-scholars.18 When R. Abbahu came from the Academy to the court of the Emperor,19 hand-maids20 from the Imperial house went out towards him and sang before him thus, ‘Prince of his people, leader of his nation, shining light,21 blessed be thy coming in peace!’ They tell of R. Judah b. Ila'i that he used to take a myrtle twig and dance before the bride and say: ‘Beautiful and graceful bride.’ R. Samuel the son of R. Isaac danced with three [twigs].22 R. Zera said: The old man is putting us to shame.23 When he24 died,25 a pillar of fire came between him and the whole [of the rest of the] world. And there is a tradition that a pillar of fire has made such a separation26 only either for one in a generation or for two in a generation only.27 R. Zera said: His twig28 [benefited] the old man, and some say: His habit29 [benefited] the old man, and some say: his folly30 [benefited] the old man. —



    both Trump and Rav Shmuel are incompetent liars

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  9. Kalonymus AnonymusAugust 1, 2019 at 12:50 PM

    The lie in the gemara is mipnei shalom. R Rackman argued that this is teleological halacha, and that's the basis for his attempted BD. rav shmuel is using the same kind of approach. But then one might argue that there are other teleological halacha, eg lying to get the flock to fear everything and submit to all the gezeiros. The gezeiros are also teleological, since technically we are not allowed to add to the Torah. The function is to keep us in check, eg drinking yayin akum, so we don't mix etc. Is this a tzeduki midrash?

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