Wednesday, July 10, 2013

Lakewood is driven by the fear of being called a sheigetz

Just had a long conversation with some insiders of the Kolko case. The simple question raised was,   "What is the way to change Lakewood's approach to dealing with child abuse?" It is obvious that they don't respond to halachic arguments and it is also clear that the rabbis lack the moral backbone to stand up for what they feel is right. They can't even muster the courage and decency to apologize for driving Rabbi "S" out of Lakewood - on a mistaken belief that he was a moser. 

Appeals to stop the suffering of children don't carry any weight - because their insistence  that  following the directive of a beis din is paramount even when children are being destroyed by molesters. They claim, mistakenly, that without a psak from a beis din that a person is a moser for going to the police. However the beis din system is incompetent and impotent. 

Bizarrely the beis din that Lakewood had to deal with child abuse has been disbanded. Mickey Rottenberg claims that he was told to disband it because it was too sensitive to the claims of the victims. He said in an interview with Jewish Week 12/06/11 that he was told to do this by Rav Malkiel Kotler. However Rav Malkiel Kotler denies the truth of this statement. So who is running Lakewood - Rav Malkiel Kotler or Mickey Rottenberg? Apparently the Lakewood rabbis are too embarrassed or chicken to answer that question.

In sum, Lakewood is a society that  while giving lip service to halacha is in fact concerned with one thing - the fear of being called a sheigetz. 

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  1. When the shepherds become like sheep, who will shepherd them?

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  2. Why in the world would anyone in Lakewood, or New Jersey for that matter, feel any need to explain to YOU (of all people) what the approach is or why you're even wrong about several things.

    Oh.. I get it, because you have a blog that discusses pedophilia and the like.. that makes your news opinions into those of such an important expert that all the rabbis should feel compelled to explain themselves to you. Right?

    Don't overrate yourself kid..

    But here's an idea for you.. Why don't you ask your rebbe shtenbuch to call the rabbis in that society called lakewood on your behalf. I bet he'd be taken more seriously than a molestation-blog-writer.

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    1. Oooooh, it's the response to Job from the great wind... "Who art thou Puny Mortal that I must respond to Ye!?" Well you're the one posting after all so clearly you feel a need to defend people against the poster's accusations.

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  3. A prominent rabbi of the past generation told me the following story: Someone did a heinous sin, something no Jew ever was known to do. A rabbi was asked how a Jew could sin like that and he replied, "I don't know. But one thing I will tell you. He did his sin for the sake of heaven." Once a person feels he is doing a good deed with his evil, he has no boundary, as goodness has no boundary.

    A community that is committed to good deeds such as protecting the good name of institutions or the community in general has a great test, because how do they delineate goodness and declare it evil?

    Only by clearly believing that protecting children is the higher good can we escape what is going on today. But who will declare that? That is the problem.

    And that problem is rooted in another problem. I have been posting many letters, etc., about Get Meuso, and guess what? Many very prominent Rosh Yeshivas responded by sending out letters demanding that people do exactly what the Rashbo, Radvaz, Beis Yosef and Chazon Ish and many more clearly prohibit. Why? Because they want to do a good deed, so who cares that the good deed will produce mamzerim?

    We live in a time where most Rosh Yeshivas are weak in halacha, as that is not their field. They are Talmud teachers. But they have taken for themselves the roles of leading the generation, by declaring that when they back gay rights, in order to get money for Yeshivas, they are saying "Daas Torah" and everybody must accept it. They, not the Rashbo and the Shulchan Aruch, declare what the Torah wants. And so we have what we have, a Daas Torah from major Rosh Yeshivas that is the opposite of the Torah, produces mamzerim and other destruction of children better left not described. And it is all for the sake of heaven, so don't dispute it!

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    1. This is a good analysis, and in Political theory, it is what Machiavelli advised the prince, i.e. that the political ends justify any means to get there.
      Let me ask a question using this logic, and I apologise in advance if it is a "sheigetz" question.
      How do you know that this has not been done in previous generations, by Gedolim who you now rely on? There have been revolutionary changes in halacha , which may have come about for socio-economic or political reasons which may be hidden now, or perhaps we are in denial about.

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    2. I know that earlier gedolim were true tsadikim because I spoke often to Reb Aharon Kotler, Reb Moshe Feinstein, Reb Yacov Kaminetsky and many other gedolim of the past generation. Torah of truth once existed, when Torah was not popular. Things were different then.

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    3. Excellent question, Eddie.

      The issue Jewish "leaders" protecting their institutions at the expense of individual victims of clear cut Torah prohibitions has been going on from the beginning. Just look at how Bnei Yaacov treated Yosef's attempt to shake up their hegemony. This went on with near cosmic tragedy... until Yehuda's heroic confession and turn about.

      We need more Yehudas.

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    4. I don't wish to point to any recent leaders, since many have some connection to them. In any case, you can no longer go by a previous generation, despite yeridat hadoros - hence, have to accept today's gedolim - or at least that is an orthodox concept.
      If we look at the case of Shabbetai Zvi, this was something that was welcomed by many gedolim of the time. It was in their interests, since people started learning in yeshiva in anticipation of Moshiach. Prof. Scholem published a facsimile of a letter of 100 Rabbanim who signed, authenticating the "meshichus" of Mr Zvi. Some big names were among them. Very few actually fought him, it was left to a few "Pinchas" type rabbis such as R' Yaakov Emden.

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  4. It's really bizarre how you openly bash true Talmidei Chachomim. Have you spoken with these Gedolim, or are you just basing your thoughts on hearsay and theories?
    One would think that an individual who makes such drastic remarks against the leaders of our generation would have conversed with some of them, but you clearly don't feel the need to do that.
    Again, I am not against your true intention of revealing molesters; it is, however, quite appalling to read through your posts which rip through Gedolim.
    You'll probably say, "it's ok to have Emunas Chachomin, but not to this degree."
    Really? So you're going to go ahead and insult Torah leadership without having spoken with these Gedolim?
    Did you speak with Harav Yisroel Belsky? Did you speak with Harav Malkiel Kotler? Or do you just assume you know better?
    Gedoloim are Gedolim for a reason. Remember that.

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    1. The real Gedolim have already Paskened to go to the police.
      Korach, achitophel and yeravom were all considered gedolim and now some don't have any cheilak Le`Olam Habah.

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    2. "Gedolim are Gedolim for a reason."

      If my grandfather was a doctor, does that make me a doctor?

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    3. It is very easy to say that our Gedolim aren't the same as the Gedolim of yesteryear. But that is awful thing to say.
      Was R' Moshe on the same level as the Vilna Gaon? Irrelevant. R' Moshe was the Gadol Bizmanoy.
      Furthermore, remember that we aren't on as high a level as the Yiden in previous generations.
      If you criticize and insult the Gedolim of your generation you are walking a very slippery scope. Proceed with caution.

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    4. If these guys are Gedolim, they need to act like it. When someone believes reputation is more important than protecting abused children, even when it is in violation of Torah values, they need to be called on it.

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  5. A Yid is someone who is not afraid of being called sheigetz.

    A sheigetz is someone who abandons children to the real shkotzim and their enablers.

    A chosid shoteh is someone who out fear of being called a sheigetz lets a child drown.

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  6. A sheigetz is someone who lives Chelm and still thinks he is in Kelm.

    http://frumfollies.wordpress.com/2013/07/08/how-the-rabbis-in-chelm-solved-the-problem-of-the-stolen-money/

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  7. It's very simple. Do everything you can to get people elected who will hold these rodef's accountable to the Law. A few obstruction of justice, witness tampering and interfering with a police investigation sentence will work wonders.

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  8. My father received his Smicha from Rav Aharon Kutler in Lakewood many years ago, after following him from the fiery hell of Europe.

    And now Lakewood and the name Kutler is associated with sexual abuse of children and cover ups.

    Aich Nuphlu HaGiborim

    Oy, Meh Haya Lanu!

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    1. Considering the fact that Rav Aharon gave S'micha to only 3 people and your last name isn't one of them... I tend to doubt your claim. Aich Naflu Geborim

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    2. Torah Truth -- I assume that you are not suggesting that there were only three Lakewood Musmachim during the many years in which Reb Aharon served as Gadol HaDor?

      My father indeed received Smicha from Lakewood during the period in which it was led by Reb Aharon Kutler, after having followed him from Europe. If Reb Aharon had a policy of issuing Smicha to all his Musmachin through agents, then such was the case.

      I suggest you focus your energies on repairing the rot and deceit that lies at the foundation of the Lakewood community, rather than focus on nitpicking minor technical factoids. You might just save Klal Yisroel that way...

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  9. Lakewood today is not the Lakewood of the past. The leaders are not the same. The Rabbonim are not the same. It grew too big too quickly. The community is not ONE community. The people of Lakewood don't all respect each other. The Rabbonim in Lakewood don't all respect each other. They have differing opinions. Blocks of residents follow one Rav, and other blocks follow others. There is as much machlokes in Lakewood as there is in Brooklyn. There are many yeshivas there and not everyone goes to Lakewood Cheder. When we think of Lakewood we think of the Yeshiva, and that is wrong. Even the yeshiva is NOT what it once was. It is huge and the Rosh does NOT know everyone. It is impossible. He does NOT control everyone, that is also impossible. There is no control in Lakewood. It is as hefker as any other community. Those that wish to follow the rules do, and those that wish to break the rules do. There is a lot going on in Lakewood that you would NOT believe. Yes, they have the same problems and the same issues as every other community. Just because the leaders of the community do not wish to recognize or deal with them, that does NOT mean that they don't exist!

    I particularly don't like what I am hearing from clients in Lakewood. I don't particularly like what I am hearing from relatives in Lakewood. Yes it is a Yeshiva community and I understand why people want to live there, but it is NOT the heilige community it once was. There is plenty of trouble in Paradise.

    And I wish to remind all readers that just because someone opens up a yeshiva and crowns themselves the "Rosh" that does not mean they deserve the title or that they really know how to lead, how to learn, or is capable of paskening sheilos.

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  10. I don't understand your question, "who's running Lakewood?"

    Everyone knows it's Mickey AND Malkey (Malkiel)!!! The first project they worked on together was the Kolko case, and they saw eye to eye!! They really schemed and plotted together beautifully. For some reason it didn't bother either one of them that the father is a massive Talmud Chachom, and even both together still can't hold a candle to him.

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  11. I don't publish anonymous comments

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  12. I live in Fakewood,have to be anonymous or they will destroy me

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    1. You can still give yourself a name other than anonymous

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    2. I gave your posts the name Fakewood - please use it in the future or pick another pseudonym

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    3. How are they going to destroy you?

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  13. In Fakewood .the so called Din Torahs run by so called Rabbis are full of corruption and GREED.There is a JIHAD mentality in town where they cut you're Head off first and ask questions later. Many don't have a clue how to relate to a fellow Jew who is not Black and White. It's a very cold place if you're not Black and white. You're not wanted here although they will gladly KISS up to you if you have MONEY and then Dump you once they have PUMPED you!Yes ,folks a Makom Torah so FULL of Themselves. GAIIVA,GAIIVA,GAIIVA!!!

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  14. Fakewood is growing rapidly as well as the Collective Gaiiva. BIG Yeshiva,even Bigger Gaiiva! Every years countless children go thru pure Hell with a "SELECTION" of who will get into the Better schools. A very Painful process that Destroys many young children and their families. The streets of Fakewood are flooded with cheap HEROIN and sadly Holy jewish souls Fall into it. There are MANY young ,lost souls in Fakewood ,Rosh Yesiva's kids too who are drowning ,the Yeshiva doesn't have a CLUE how to relate to them.

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  15. If one is a Baal Teshuva, you're not welcome in Fakewood. First,you're kids will never get into any school.If one needs a Shidduch,they'll set you up with the bottom of the Barrel.You'll be looked upon with great suspicion and Blamed for the all the evils on the streets of Fakewood!Interesting how years ago ,there were no Therapists in Lakewood. It's taboo and What will people Say?... Now you have therapists... on every block in Fakewood and good luck getting an appointment. Yeah,I know,blame it on those Baal Teshuvas

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  16. In Fakewood , we have "School Owners" who are on a very high level of GAIIVAH,who get off on the "SELECTION" process of Innocent Jewish souls. As one owner told me ,we're an elite Yeshiva with an image to maintain so I only let the "BEST" in! Interesting how this very school OWNER whose priority is IMAGE was on the front page of the Asbury Park Press for Massive Tax Fraud ,pleading GUILTY to avoid Jail. But that's par for the course in Fakewood

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  17. A prominent local Rav once told me: there is glory in Bein Adam L'Makom and none in Bein Adam L'Chaveiro.
    Tell someone you wait 6.5 hours after meat just to be safe or that you don't touch tableclothes on Shabbos based on some obscure midrash and they go "Pssshhhh, such a tazadik".
    Tell someone you are concerned for the well-being of a child who's being molested and you want to get him all the help you can and they call you "shaygitz".
    That's why we're having another Tisha B'Av this year, and the next, and the next...

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  18. Mr. Lopin,Thank you for that wonderful name Fakewood.I'll cherish it forever.One has to be anonymous in Lakewood to get the truth out! All media outlets in Lakewood are Censored and all web sites are watched carefully by the Untruth Police of Fakewood. If one tells the Truth in Fakewood,you'll be Censured,you're kids will Never get into any school,you'll be thrown out of your shul and forget about a shidduch for your kids. There is no Unity whatsoever with leaders that are clueless

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    1. I appreciate your thanks but I don't deserve it. Rabbi Eidensohn and I, are very different people, albeit both bloggers about sexual abuse.

      Rabbi Eidensohn was the one who named you.

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  19. I learn with a chavrusa who lives in Lakewood on the phone every week. He is great and very knowledgeable. Not everyone in Lakewood is bad.

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  20. Sheigetz herausz/ Sheigetz hereinJuly 10, 2013 at 6:25 PM

    Here is how to prevent yourselves from drowning in the Lakes, and getting out of the Woods. VeRaya min Hatorah umin Hanviim. In masechet Shabbos 96: Mekoshesh ze Tzlofchod, Targum Yonoson Bamidbar 15, mekoshesh Leshem Shamayim nitkaven. They will have to explain away what the Leshem mitzva might have been and what Shamayim nitkavnu it might be.

    Min haNeviim minayin, shene'emar Shmuel 2:2: 19, 20, 21, "VaYirodf Assahel achrei Avner velo nata lalechet al haymin veal hasmol...vayifen Avner achrav...Vayomer lo Avner,
    ( and this was meant for Assahel an opportunity and a way to make believe as if the target was something else in order to bow out of this dire situation gracefully )

    neteh lecha al yemincha o al smolcha ve'echoz lecha echad min hanearim vekach lecha et chalitzato".

    All you have to just say, that the kavana of what you did and what you said, was completely something else, and all this was meant leshem Shamayim, uvo letzion goel.
    Here is how to prevent yourselves from drowning in the Lakes, and getting out of the Woods. VeRaya min Hatorah umin Hanviim. In masechet Shabbos 96: Mekoshesh ze Tzlofchod, Targum Yonoson Bamidbar 15, mekoshesh Leshem Shamayim nitkaven. They will have to explain away what the Leshem mitzva might have been and what Shamayim nitkavnu it might be.

    Min haNeviim minayin, shene'emar Shmuel 2:2: 19, 20, 21, "VaYirodf Assahel achrei Avner velo nata lalechet al haymin veal hasmol...vayifen Avner achrav...Vayomer lo Avner,
    ( and this was meant for Assahel an opportunity and a way to make believe as if the target was something else in order to bow out of this dire situation gracefully )

    neteh lecha al yemincha o al smolcha ve'echoz lecha echad min hanearim vekach lecha et chalitzato".

    All you have to just say, that the kavana of what you did and what you said, was completely something else, and all this was meant leshem Shamayim, uvo letzion goel.

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  21. Folks,stay tuned,Lots more abuse coming in Fakewood as our Lame leaders are covering it all up. It's a simple solution for our Limp leaders, move the Molester to another Town where he can rape young Jewish children and let the insanity continue somewhere else! But before he leaves,let's throw him a dinner,give him honor.... but make sure the victims are DESTROYED. Leave no evidence and continue to MISLEAD the public that all is well in Fakewood

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  22. How would you like a blog post called "Yerushalaim sits idly by while rabid bloggers smears innocent Gedolim of Lakewood". That's the equivalent of the title of this post.

    You mention that you have spoken to Rabbi S and his supporters. Have you tried to speak to the Rabbonim on the list of the offensive declaration? Many of them would speak to you and you might hear their explanations directly rather than basing comments on other hearsay.

    The simple story is that Rabbi Belsky, who I have found to be an honest and ehrlich Talmin Chochom in my dealings with him, has reservations about going to the courts for the case. Some of the other Rabbonim may agree. Therefore, this is not an open and shut case of something that should be publicly reversed. Some of the Rabbonim has privately reversed their original position.

    Rabbi Kotler has no involvement here because he does not set policy in Lakewood or get involved in the admissions policy of every individual Yeshiva and many wouldn't listen if he did so why should he mix into a losing issue.

    Fakewood is a good name for the individual spreading his venom about the overall status of Lakewood because of his own singular sad experience. Lakewood has its problems but it doesn't deserve the vitriol that it's getting here.

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    1. It is obvious from you comments that you are not an insider in Lakewood and really have no idea what is going on.

      I understand your concern for the kavod of the rabbis of Lakewood - I haven't heard anything for either side which validates their silence or their brutal attacks on Rabbi "S".

      The halacha is very clear - they need to apologize publicly - but they haven't

      You also need to understand that not everything in Lakewood is done with an explicit order - much is done with an "understanding" or remaining silent while others do the dirty work.

      The vitriol is simply a reaction to the high Torah standards that Lakewood represents - but doesn't live up to. It is that betrayal - that is producing anger. A Rav and his family being driven out of Lakewood protecting his family and other families - while the Lakewood rabbis from top to bottom either join the lynch mob or remain silent - is inexcusable.

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    2. Um, tzoorba, did you actually read the letter written by R' Belsky. He did more than have reservations. He said that the father was guilty of what he was accusing Kolko of and that people should try to persuade him to stop the prosecution. He didn't just have reservations. Either you don't know what's going on you're just turning a blind eye.

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  23. Eli kleinman is one of bmg's biggest donors. He donated the bais medrash on forest av. Just do a quick google search on who this eli kleinman really is. What a charpa and a boosha for bmg to take his money

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  24. Im simply afraid to speak up as a rav in lakewood for fear of being kicked out like they did to rabbi S. Im a talmid muvhak of reb moshe feinstein and my grandfather in law is rabbi miller ztl. Should i leave my post as rav or should i continue to go with the lakewood abuse cover ups?

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    1. You really don't know what to do?

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    2. Jews have been kicked out of almost every country on the globe in far worse scenarios than this one. Are you saying that you cannot imagine how one might live as a frum Jew in any other location on Earth? If you feel that the community and its leaders have gone terribly wrong, look for another job and build a new community around you.

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  25. Does it really matter if it anonymous or if it is a given untrue name????

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  26. Wow R Eidenson. Your blog has basically gone to pot. Kinda sounds like failed messiah with these comments. Methinks you need to get some control here.

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  27. Dear 'Zoorba,I think the VENOM really applies to our Brilliant Rabbis in Fakewood who with the stroke of a pen KILLED a father and son (the REAL victims of Kolkos abuse) I love Lakewood,but I HATE Stupidity,Greed, Corruption,Shnorring,its coming to me attitude,and Sinna towards fellow jews who are not Black and White, sum total, GAIIVA, GAIIVA,GAIIVA. Yes Lakewood is proud that they took over the reform and conservative shuls,many Jews,(not black and white )have moved away due to the HOLIER than Thou attitude displayed by supposed Ben Torah. Cold! Instead of bringing them closer to Yiddishkeit,Lakewood has chased them away and they are proud of it!

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  28. Zoo man,Check out todays Forward,see the results of the "Cure" that Fakewood,YU....use on Abusers. They send them off to another Yesiva,where they continue to RAPE young Jewish souls. Great Cure!!!!!Abuse is clearly an area that our Rabbis have NO CLUE,they are more interested in maintaining IMAGE and ZERO concern for the Innocent victims. The brilliant leaders of Fakewood demanded that the Olam vote for Jon Corzine, a lover of every Illnees in our society . No morals whatsoever. Our votes.demanded by the BOZO leaders in our town,endorsed, Abortion,Homosexuality.... all for a Fistful of $$$$$$. Yes folks ,our leaders have their Priorities, Young Jewish children Raped by men in Black is the least of their concerns

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  29. Zoo,you sound just like the Rashbi's son who after years in a cave(fakewood) suckling and pumping the system,he is shocked to see a fellow yid working (wow,imagine working and creating self worth) and promptly Kills him! Big,Bigger,Biggest Yeshiva is not a Better yeshiva.20 year old Yeshiva boys with the maturity of 2 year olds on the prowl for a Rich father-in-law. Kinda like learning for the BIG BUCKS,so I will never have to work and grow up! As my Holy Rav discusses in that very evil and twisted concept of the "FRUMA CHESBIN", Where with a little Gemara logic a victim of RAPE becomes the EVIL ONE

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  30. Hey Zoo, you do acknowledge Fakewood has its problems. So why do our spinless leaders brush and HUSH up many of these ills leaving it for our wonderful anti-Semitic media to bring it to lite. Grow up and DEAL with it instead of controlling and MISLEADING the Olam in Fakewood Welcome to Jihad Judiasm. By the way zoo, are you one of those Holier than thou Jews who MILKS the system addicted to Wic and Welfare,unable to stand on your own 2 feet and GIVE BACK to the Olam. It's a system of TAKERS for many. Very Addictive and hard to crawl out of as their wives stand in line at the WIC office for a bottle of Milk in their $5000. shaitals,$1500. bugaboo strollers and $500 boro park dresses. Life is tuff for some,you think?

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  31. if Kotler was afraid of being called a shegetz why did he join with GetOra for his cousin? Or do we once agin see the huge double standards of the fake leaders we have today where mesirah is always capital crime except when it comes to phoney fake agunahs?

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    1. Against the TrollsJuly 12, 2013 at 8:10 AM

      Another great trolling attempt Stan. Way to try to divert a post that has nothing to do with Gittin to your favorite incendiary topic.

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  32. Fake,

    I'm sorry that you are unhappy about the departure of the Reform and Conservative liars from Lakewood. If the adherents left due to the increased holiness of their environment, that is their problem.

    My sister has relatives in Lakewood from the modern Orthodox community whose children have all turned (horror of horrors) into sterling examples of black hat Jews that make a kiddush Hashem wherever they go. I guess the evil black hats didn't corrupt them or kick them out.

    If you look to the Communist based rag known as the Forward (to gehinnom) or backwards, you certainly will get anti Orthodox slander piled on thick.

    I strongly disagree with the Yeshiva's position to vote for Corzine. However, the majority of the people in Lakewood ignored this and did not vote for him but voted for Christie.

    Your anti learning rant extolling the virtues of those who don't dedicate themselves to learning shows the totally distorted view of the reality of those being moser nefesh in Lakewood and is why you earn the name Fake.

    Your disrespectful disdain for Rav Shimon Bar Yochai shows that you need to learn more about respecting the universally acknowledged gedolei torah of the generations in addition to those that deserve the title currently despite the fact that they don't agree with your ultramodern perspective.

    You should never know the poverty and financial struggles of the great many talmidim of the Yeshiva that struggle and live without to achieve in Torah. Stop focusing on the abusers and give an honest look at the vast majority that do their best.

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    1. Well, I cannot say that I agree with Fakewood's statements regarding RSBY or his demeanor but, tzoorba, certainly you see the irony here. You're pointing out how despite certain disagreements with lifestyle people don't appreciate the fact that many Lakewood residents are moser nefesh for Torah. I agree with you about this although I do not think that there is anything wrong with people going to get a non-Torah job and preparing for this.

      The irony is that you have the same lack of appreciation for others ("Reform and Conservative liars"). They may not be Orthodox but they are probably not all liars. I suspect that they would find the fact that a child molester found shelter in Lakewood appalling which seems to be more than can be said for the postings you've made.

      If this can happen in Lakewood like this, something is very wrong.

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    2. It's hard to understand how anyone who can write a post like this could also make a kiddush hashem whereever they go.

      Where do they go? Apparently, never outside of their insular community. Because if they did, they would know that abuse is a chillul hashem, as is the way that you are talking about other Jews.

      Trust me, when other Jews (and non-Jews) see people who do not work and instead accept welfare, who cheat on their taxes, who abuse women and children and who are incredibly rude to every person they encounter who is outside their group, it is not a kiddush hashem.

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  33. Observer,

    If you think that I have any sympathy for cover up of abuse, you are totally mistaken. I strongly agree with the blog's position on immediately contacting the secular authorities and there is no issue of moser in it.

    I don't see that any attempt was made to contact the Rabbonim who issued the original statement against Rabbi S. Some we know have privately reversed their position. Rabbi Belsky has not and some of the other rabbonim may be depending on that. Until the Rabbonim's side of the story has been explored, it is not honest to just keep going to the supporters of Rabbi S without hearing the other side.

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    1. I'm glad that you agree with the blog's (and I guess R' Sternbuch's position) regarding calling the police. Good that's out of the way.

      I have no idea what the rabbonim would say aside from the information on this blog. However, don't you think that this should be the kind of thing that they would want to explain to the community? If some have privately reversed their position, why is it not incumbent on them to publicly explain what happened?

      If Rabbi Belsky continues to believe that the father is guilty of what he accused Kolko of it, let him believe that. I suspect that there are many who will keep clear of him in case (gd forbid) another such situation came up.

      Being a gadol, as I'm sure you know, depends upon acceptance as much as Torah knowledge. Supporting a self-admitted child molester will adversely affect their public respect and acceptance. The OU is dying to disassociate R' Belsky but OU Kosher (and, ahem, personnel at OU Kosher) won't stand for it. If you don't believe me, you can call them yourself as their senior staff answers e-mails and will discuss the matter. How do the rabbonim not bear some of the responsibility themselves for this bizayon haTorah? Nobody forced them to sign that letter.

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  34. Tzoorba. How do u know who has and has not gone to get the side of the roshey yeshivas who signed. I happpened to know a few who have attempted but were stonewalled by thier wifes,gabboim etc. So dont jump to conclusions. The rabbonim know very well how the oilam views their sqewed psak and therefore they have a chiyuv to to come out publicly and answer us what and why they feel that it was ok to oust a talmid chochom. The same way they werent embarresed to sign a generic letter to oust him is the same way they should be ok to explain us thier position now that certain facts have emerged.

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  35. Zoo,Sad to read that you have No Clue on the Concept of Ahavas Yisroel (reform Jews are Liars???)Jews who don't know what an Aleph is and you're burying them.Instead of reaching out to these Holy Jews and share with them the Torah,Fakewood drove them out!!! Lakewood is a Holy place with Many HOLY and selfless Jews,but our leaders should realize that the more Kedusha brings with it more tumah. I just blew a gasket over the CONSTANT cover-ups (esp.the RAPE of an innocent young man and then forcing the entire family out of town Is this the Torah way??? I love the Rashbi. I didn't finish the story...after his son killed the farmer,(the Rashbi brought him back to life) a voice from above said you missed the whole point of learning,go back in the cave till you get it rite.We do not live in caves,the One above put us here to deal with and ELEVATE everything around us. Yea .I'm bitter over the STUPIDITY of our callous leaders. GAIIVA GAIIVA GAIIVA. By the way zoo,come visit Fakewood in the summer,when the "SELECTION" process begins and the schoolowners mete out HUMILIATION to many innocent,young Jewish souls

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  36. Zoo, Kolko's guilty plea came in the nick of time.That very day,fakewood Rabbis were to testify under oath on how Lakewood deals with Rapists and their victims. Would have been devastating to the Kehila! Some say Kolko was pressured to plead guilty to avoid these sordid revelations. Who knows, while the wise men of Fakewood supported Kolko and destroyed the Victim and his family,Kolko could and would have raped other young children!The VAAD that ENABLES and covers Abuse.

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  37. I Dont see what the big issue with Girls schools in Lakewood any Girls Can get into shcenkowleski Bais Kaila or Ephraim Birnbaums Ooros Bais Yackov if They want To

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