Thursday, June 21, 2012

ORA vs. Rav R' Feinstein's grandson

Jewish Press  article taken down - thanks to Rabbi Tzadok for alternative
The letter and the seruv below - were part of the Jewish Press Article
Please note the disparity between Stern's claim for support for public demonstrations and the actual letter which just says to publicize the matter  - which can also be done with a letter on a bulletin board. 
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 Jewish Press Archive  JP: Your latest case is against Rabbi Reuven Feinstein’s grandson. Are you afraid of going toe-to-toe with some of these leading rabbis?

JS: We don’t see it as us vs. them. It’s not ORA that’s doing it. We are the enforcement agent of the Beis Din and these rabbis are coming out and instructing the community to take a stand. Rav Reuven Feinstein, the grandfather of Avrohom Meir Weiss, is supporting him, but every rabbi is on the other side. We have Rav Malkiel Kotler, Rav Shmuel Kaminetsky, Rav [Hershel] Shecheter, Rav [Mordechai] Willig and Rav [Notta] Greenblatt — all these rabbis from different yeshivas are all coming together. We’ve tried to resolve this dispute but the community has to take a stand. It is unique to have such broad support.


65 comments:

  1. Rav Nota Greenblatt is an expert in Gittin, and I give his signing on to this significant weight, more than any of the others.

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  2. The link didnt work so I went to the JP website and did a search for "Jeremy Stern". This was the first article to pop up but that link didnt work either! Perhaps someone wanted this taken down???

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  3. http://failedmessiah.typepad.com/failed_messiahcom/2012/06/rabbi-reuven-feinsteins-grandson-is-get-refuser-567.html

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  4. why are you censoring my remarks? what was wrong this time?

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  5. Woman who abduct their children don't deserve to receive a get until they correct the wrong they have done.

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    1. You have no proof at all she abducted ger child. We do know he went to secular costing his wife thousands of dollars which he really has to pay her as he is a mazik. I am sure Reb Moshe Zatzal would not allow such a chillul Hashem. I can not understand how any yid can be so cruel to his wife. At the end he will get his just punishment with all the people that back him. If our Gedolim don't protest such a travesty then we all should.

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    2. Eli, there is copious, incontrovertible proof that she did withhold the child from his father. The incident was captured on tape. Second, the father took the mother to secular court ONLY TO PROTECT HIS LEGAL RIGHTS TO HIS CHILD and to receive emergency relief. The continuing action in court is the result of the MOTHER, who is being protected by the establishment machine, filing a divorce proceeding against the father. The father is the DEFENDANT he cannot possibly withdraw. The mother is the plaintiff. This is public record. As to the monetary hezek, the Dodelsons are wealthy, the Weiss's are going bankrupt. Wake up, smell the coffee, and find out the facts. Not the drivel a sheretz like Jeremy Stern puts out. Thank you, Menachem Stein.

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  6. Well let's see:

    1)He is a get refuser(don't know the circumstances there).
    2)He went to Arkaot against his wife against the ruling of a Beit Din: There is no good way to cut that.
    3) A B"D has ruled him someone who is לא ציית לדינא(someone who willfully disregards Torah).

    For two of the three Nidui is called for there. So why shouldn't they protest outside his home?
    I will admit that Rabbi Jeremy Stern is finding justification by stretching to the limits the ruling of a Beit Din.

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  7. If one parent unilaterally relocates a child or doesn't let the child spend time with the second parent (and what happened in this specific case is not publicly known), what is the second parent supposed to do? In most States, a Beis Din decision on child custody is completely unenforceable, even with a binding arbitration agreement, which itself makes the further assumption that both sides are able to agree on a specific beis din.

    ORA has a track record of supporting child abductors and trying to prevent children from having relationships with both parents.

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    1. You Cant Handle The TruthJune 22, 2012 at 6:30 AM

      Let me get this right, ok? They split up while they were staying in her parents home right after the childs bris, he moves out of lakewood to Staten Island, and somehow SHE relocated the child?

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    2. in new jersey beis din has arbitration powers and its enforcable by court...........do your research.........i worked with weiss' father and when they first seperated he got to see the kid whenever he wanted.......father weiss told me that there is no rabbi or mediator he trusts for a custody decision and that either his son should get what he wants or they are going to court.........he sings to a different tune now though...i contacted the workers at ORA they have all the documents and are more than happy to share the facts..........i did my research now do yours.............. the weiss' lies are transparent

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    3. You Cant Handle The TruthJune 22, 2012 at 5:43 PM

      Thank you observer for standing up for the truth. Really people, saying that weiss is in the right is also saying that almost all American Rabbis were hoodwinked, from Elya Ber Wachtfogel to Hershel Shechter. There's an unpublished letter to Feinstein with 10's of Rabbinical signatures, a veritable who's who of American Rabbis, from Jeremy Stern to Shlomo Miller...

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    4. Observer please read the presvious posts such ashttp://daattorah.blogspot.com/2012/06/oras-inconsistencies-regarding-aharon.html

      Ora has zero credibility! The workers of ora are a bunch of twenty year old shnooks with no experience in life or torah values. They are more than happy to share the "facts" that suit their agenda but always leave out the other half.

      You could be rest assured that there is much more to this story then what ora has told you.

      As a side note you mention that at first she let him see the kids but if she is not allowing him to see them now that is child abuse. Two wrongs don't make a right.

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  8. You have made good points, but before passing judgement maybe you should find out the facts from the other side as well, before advocating for protests. I would bet there is a lot more to this case then what Jeremy Stern tells you ( as it has been proven with other cases he has been involved with).

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    1. So let him make his case in Beis din. At least answer the hazmana. I did speak with someone on the girls side, even if half of what I hear is true, it's terrible what she is going thru. I would suggest that anybody who holds back a get after Beis din says to give it, no one should be משדך with them. Then maybe people would think twice before hurting someone else. I am talking thru experience.

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    2. Thank you, you have just shown everyone exactly why both sides in a case need to be heard. People like yourself only go and listen to one side and then pass judgement. For all you know what the girl said is a lie, the fact is we don't know.
      The reality is that ora is an extremely dangerous element in the Jewish community. Contrary to what Ora claims they are not the enforcement agent of the beis din listed and none of the so called signatories endorse ora or their tactics.

      Ora are radicals from YU who do not have any endorsements from the chareidi world. Besides they lack any credibility due to their lies and misinformation they have spread in other cases. (for examples look at some of the previous stories that were featured on this blog).
      Lets face it the protests and shaming of the husbands and their families with lies and humiliation will do nothing to help solve the matter at hand (i.e. tamar epstein case) it will only unnecessarily drag things out longer.

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    3. You Cant Handle The TruthJune 22, 2012 at 5:44 PM

      Ora may be radicals with no endorsements in the Chareidi world, but in this case the point is moot. What will you say when the rally is attended by Kotler and schustal?

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    4. Please report back if this happens

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    5. First of all why dont you have a little bit of kavod hatorah their names are RAV kotler and RAV schustal.

      I am simply pointing out the problems with associating with ORA.

      I wonder if the rabbanim are aware that:

      Jeremy STern has gone on fox news and stated " the Jewish community certainly has started to discuss whether a rabbi should be able to officiate a divorce without one party's permission -- but said the community "is not at a point right now where they're willing to fundamentally change how Jewish marriage and divorce works." Jeremy Stern is an Apikoris!!!

      ORA is the erev rav of our generation and cause people to sin. Case in point last year they ran a fundraiser in a Manhattan bar (that serves cheeseburgers) for Young jewish professionals. Unlimited beer and mixed drinks. Still waiting for R' shachter to say that it assur for young single men and women to get drunk in a treif manhattan bar. I guess he holds its muttar since ORA has on it letterhead that it runs under the guidance of R' Shachter!

      At a recent demonstration there were men and women mixed together singing together while some of the girls were half naked. Kol Isha and tznius is not an issue either I guess.

      Ora has proven who they are already. On this blog there have been numerous articles about the misinformation, lies and perversion of halachah that they have spewed forth in other cases. They advocate the use of children as a tool to get what they want. (that child abuse)!

      Any woman who gets them involved with their divorce runs the risk of becoming a real agunah or receiving a get that could be pasul, resulting in questionable mamzeirus of any future children she will have.

      Any person who joins them in shaming or spreading the lies they spew forth will one day have to give din vcheshbon.

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    6. You Cant Handle The TruthJune 27, 2012 at 4:20 AM

      Reb Daniel, see my comment about who did and didn't attend the rally on the post about gestetner

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  9. Without speaking to the facts of any particular case, a get is NOT the only issue about which a divorcing couple should treat each other in good faith, and that is particularly the case when the couple in question are also the parents of a child or children. Even if the couple will no longer remain married, the child should continue to have each parent actively involved in his or her life. Each parent's recognizing this and acting in accordance with the best interests of the child (and not presuming that what one parent believes will make that parent happier is necessarily in the best interests of the child) is of far more importance than ANY other issue.

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  10. Once again I direct my comments to Sam,
    He did respond to the Hazmanos. The Beis Din summarily ignored his responses. The " problem" the father has here is that he is a Feinstein. Feinsteins do not "work the street" nor do they "spin" things. They will not put out letters, hold protests etc. because of this, there side of the story is not being heard. Avrohom Meir's father is a Talmid Chacham of the highest degree. What is being done to his family is a crime that, unfortunately, people will pay dearly for in the next world.
    Aside from that, how ANYONE could align themselves with a mnuvel like Jeremy Stern is incomprehensible.

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    1. I checked all the facts with ORA, they actually called R Shmuel while i was on the line and he confirmed everything. They have all the court documents and it clearly states that even though she is plaintiff only he can close the case because he opened proceedings-Eli (hes the contact guy) told me that weiss said that what he doesnt get in court hes going to extort using his get-CALL UP ORA!!!!!!!!!!!! They are really straight people- The facts are there fro everyone to see!

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    2. Checking the facts with ora is like getting the truth from Madoff. You obviously have not seen the previous posts regarding ora inconsistincies regarding their positions. They are an organization that promotes terror, motzei shem ra and openly support using children to get what they want. Jeremy stern himself is one of the biggest frauds out there with presenting misinformation to suit his needs. There is a reason why there is not one chareidi rav that endorses or supports him.

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    3. What kind of ORA flim flam are you trying to sell us?

      What do you mean "he opened proceedings", yet at the same time "she is Plaintiff"?

      How is it possible that only "he can close the case" if he's the Defendant?

      This sounds like more ORA lies, obfuscations, and propaganda.

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    4. You Cant Handle The TruthJune 22, 2012 at 5:47 PM

      EmesLeYaacov, and Emes (whose names are akin to Lavan Haramai being White as snow)
      So you are saying ORA fooled all the Chareidi rabbonim who otherwise don't support their activities? You are exhibiting the level of intellect of a fool!

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    5. emes l'yaakov- the court papers state that he opened proceedins stating that he is plaintiff in the custody and alimony case-she then filed for divorce (once one is brought to arkaos one is allowed to file for divorce) which makes her plaintiff in the divorce case- SHE CANNOT CLOSE THE CUSTODY CASE only the divorce case, even if she did withdraw thered still be a custody case- this is all basic law- the difference between just a plain custody case and a custody/divorce is that when a party files for divorce the case must be closed within 2 years-

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    6. Ora has lied before what is to stop them this time as well. I don't know the facts of this particular case but like I said before if Ora is involved you can bet there is much more to the story then what they are saying!

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    7. You Cant Handle The TruthJune 27, 2012 at 4:20 AM

      OK, so call R Shmuel.

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    8. Don't need to. They never publicly supported ora.

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  11. again people (liberals) love to make up halachas. a woman in not entitled to a get. she receves one in very specific cases. walking out ( taking the kids or not taking the kids) and saying i hate him, i dont want to be married to him, entitles her to sit and get grey - not a get. and whether a court gave a civil divorce or not or whether the husband signed a prenup to go to a bais din that does not pasken ka'halacha is basically irrelevant. when jeremy stern and the 'liberated woman' learn s all this they will be people who beleives that torah is from hashem -

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    1. And where did he have the heter to go to secular court? Did any Beis din allow him to? If he did respond to the hazmana ,then why did they put out a seiruv against him? What crime was done to his family?
      Do you have any proof that Beis din ignored his response? It's a pretty big accusation you made. Can you back it up? The fact that his father is a talmid chacham doesn't mean anything to me if you go to secular court without a heter from Beis din.

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    2. I want to understand you. Rav Kotler(Rosh Yeshiva of BMG) and Rav Wachtfogel(Mashgiach Ruchani of BMG) are liberals?

      So who do you consider mainstream, the guys in RBS that spit on 8yr old girls and try to stone women?

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    3. I believe Rav Elya Ber Wachtfogel is actually the son of the former Mashgiach Ruchani of BMG, current Rosh Hayeshiva of South Fallsburg.

      (Not that this is relevant to your point)

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  12. When a parent prevents their child from seeing his/her father/mother it is a form of child abuse. It is amazing how Jeremy Stern and ORA SUPPORT CHILD ABUSE. SHAME ON YOU JEREMY STERN

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  13. There is not one person involved in this case who has sided with Weiss, case closed.

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    1. First of all that is not true. Second of all what a foolish thing to say! There have been cases in the gemara where everyone is against one but yet he is right. Before passing judgement do your homework!

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  14. RDE, does the fact that all these Rabbanim have enlisted ORA's aid change your mind on that organization?

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    1. I guess I missed it. Where exactly is there any request from these rabbonim to ORA to aid them or to organize a demonstration?!

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    2. You Cant Handle The TruthJune 22, 2012 at 5:49 PM

      Reb Daniel, It is my understanding that the rabbonim advised the family to work with ORA IN THIS CASE. this is easily verifiable by calling any of the rabbonim who aren't the type that are hard to get a hold of. Not calling is a form of HAALomas ayin...

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    3. A claims that he spoke with R' miller and he caled ora treif it his word against yours. Unfortunately, you have already tried to mislead everyone with trying to convince us r' kotler would show up. Why is there no letter outwardly calling for oras support. There is none so far so if you are going to make claims prove it with proof.

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  15. "here is not one person involved in this case who has sided with Weiss, case closed."

    There is. Rav Gestetner but DT won't allow this or any lof my postings.

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  16. 0. Wife prevented husband from seeing children.
    1. she went to machon le'horooah
    2. They issued a siruv against him - details are murky
    3. he went to Rav Gestetner's bais din who was mevatel the siruv since he was willing to go to this bais din.
    4. she refused to go and was in violation of halochoh since toveah holech achar ha'nitvah.
    5.he was given a hetter arko'oys.
    6. will be dan le'kaf zechus that r' kotler and wachtfogel are unaware of the fact that he offered a bais din and is not a mesarev le'din.
    7. weiss family requested that document of rav gestetner submitted to machon le'horooah being mevatel their siruv since he was tzias dina be kep private.

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    1. You Cant Handle The TruthJune 22, 2012 at 5:51 PM

      Stan, as the late senator Moynihan said, "You are entitled to your own opinion, but you are not entitled to your own facts."

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    2. 0. wife let husband see child as much as he wanted, while repeatedly requesting to go to a rav for mediation. wife was told by doctors that 1 month old baby shouldnt be away from mother overnite
      1. husband filed in court for custody and alimony
      2. she went to machon l'horah
      3. after 9 months of hazmanos and birrurim they issued a siruv against him. details are very clear husbnand wanted to go to a "zavla" and the guy he chose was in a coma.
      4.he went to gestetner. no bais din in america (and in israel they said his gittin are invalid) recognizes gestetner as being valid. beis din told her she should not go.
      5.his grandfather gave him a "heter" arkaos based on nothing-halacha clearly states you need a beis din comprised of 3 for a heter.
      5.kotler wachtfogel kaminetzky greenblatt and shechter all know all the details and that gestetner is not a bais din.
      7. weiss family heaps lie upon lie, trying to mislead all the gedolim. but as always truth pervails

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    3. so your saying she went to beis din before he went to arkaos? thats a blatant lie.

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    4. So what you are saying is that, after he got a hazmanah from a valid Beit Din, that he ran to a Beit Din so notoriously corrupt that the Chief Rabbinate has stated that it will cease to recognize any Dayyan that sits with them. That this notoriously corrupt and unrecognized Beit Din supposedly mavateled a seruv from a recognized Chareidi Beit Din and gave the man a (fake) heter to go to court against the wife he abandoned.

      We're all supposed to be OK with that?

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    5. Stsn the "man"
      Interesting that R' Wohlhendler was in a coma swhen he wrote and signed a shtar that he would represent Weiss. I was close to him and i spoke to him about hte case. he was ill but perfectly able and willing to work the case.
      KOTLER IS THE GIRLS COUSIN FOR HEAVENS SAKE!!!
      Greenblatt did NOT and does not know the deetails. Until this week he did not even know taht the baal had a heter arkoos from R' Wohlhendler.
      Kaminetzky still has no clue what the details of the case are.
      They all relied on Kotler.

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    6. Stan the man.Someone in Doc. Shanik's office told me that he was bullied by the Kotlers and lied to toi get him to write a letter saying the child should not be by the father overnight. When he founfd out the true story he retracted his letter and submitted it to the judge in the case.

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  17. I hope there are demonstrations outside his Yeshiva. The parents of the bochurim would hear about this travesty and would stop sending their children until a get is given. They should protest everyday until either a get is given or the yeshiva is forced to close down. Maybe they will feel what is means to hold back a get and not to listen to Beis din.

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  18. Weiss currently sees the child twice a week as well as every other weekend.how is she preventing him from seeing the child?

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  19. what I am saying michael gtzadok is that you have no proof that this bais din is corrupt and are oyver moytzi shaym ra, that is what I am saying. Show me a single infringement of halochoh not some political remarks from the workers of the ztionishe medinah.

    how do you know that the other bais din is not corrupt? i am not seeing it is and i am not saying it isn't at this point.

    as to "aym" who says that she should have custody? her bank account? how do you know she is a fit mother?

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  20. Nobody will accept facts from my comments here, so I'll skip those. First let me give credit to the posters (u know who you are) for their novel concoction of the facts of the case.
    I think what we will agree to is that Weiss has a major rosh yeshiva and posek who is intimately familiar with the case and backs him 100%. Secondly, even the fact-changers here I think would agree that the Weisses have taken the high road here. The mudslinging coming from the wife's side is just disgusting. Look here and see how an upstanding lakewood family from go to YESHIVA UNIVERSITY of all places to find a group of thugs to make a public demonstration and a Chillul Hashem Brabim to promote their agenda.
    The fact that the case has been dragging on this long requires the participation of the dodalson's as well. To sink to this low, and call Gital a agunah is absolutely an embarrassment to their lineage.
    Before we get involved in attacking the rabbanim on either side, we all must remember that this is not our place. Korach was a great man as well. And look what happened to him. It is not for the public here to attack and belittle the rabbanim, who we all know can be swayed to one side when only presented with half the details (conveniently).
    To attend the proposed rally on sunday, would be to take a part in a massive Chillul Hashem, a massive Bizayon Talmid Chacham, and a great source of anguish to one of the major gedolim of America.

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    1. to shevy- "major rosh yeshiva and posek"-besides for being his grandfather and posul for nogea b'davar even his talmidim dont say hes a posek
      "weiss have taken the highroad" 1)witholding a get 2)extorting money and custody 3) going to arkaos 4) lying to the gedolim again and again- which highroad?
      "mudslinging"- i"ve yet to hear anything but the truth from ORA and others
      "YESHIVA UNIVRSITY"- isnt feinstein close with willig and shechter
      "we all know who can be swayed to one side"- lets see- beis din machon lhorah, kaminetsky, greenblatt, wachtfogel, shechter, shechter, willig and all the others whove given support- so only you and feinstein (weiss' grandfather) cannot be swayed from the truth.
      "massive chillul hashem"- so going to arkaos is a kiddush hashem?- the gedolim have endorsed this rally so they feel its not a chilul hashem-
      "bizayon talmid chacham"- who to weiss? whoever said hes a talmid chochom-as long as he continues what hes doing hes just a plain old rashsa

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  21. "stan the man" thanks for inventing many facts.

    " after 9 months of hazmanos and birrurim they issued a siruv against him. details are very clear husbnand wanted to go to a "zavla" and the guy he chose was in a coma."

    interesting, he offered 2 guys. were they both in a coma?

    "he went to gestetner. no bais din in america (and in israel they said his gittin are invalid) recognizes gestetner as being valid. beis din told her she should not go."
    interesting lie. even rav gestetner's big enemies in Livingstone street recognize him as personally know someone who told Livingstone street that he was willing to go rav Gestetner and they backed off.

    Please show me exactly where it states in Shulchan Oruch or the rema that a Bais Din is only valid when it is recognized by the tzioni rabbanut that has has amongst it heads notorious people like Shlomo Goren? Somehow I don't think this is a criterion. What is a criterion is a scrupulous adherence to halochoh unvarnished by feminism or big bucks. Please, if rav Gestetner is so corrupt, provide us with a real case where he broke halochoh and someone like rav elyashiv came out against him refuting what he did. you can't.
    "weiss family heaps lie upon lie, trying to mislead all the gedolim. but as always truth pervails". word is prevails.

    How is it that in other cases when peop;le are in arko'oys neither r elya ber and r malkiel care and I know this first hand?
    if you think the truth always prevails, wake up. history is written by the victor.

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    1. okay so its gestetner against beis din mchon lhorah, YU, kotler wachtfogel, greenblatt, i asked r shlomo miller about him and he told me he said that he is a rasha and not a dayan--I CALLED GESTETNER ON THE PHONE AND TOLD HIM MY WIFE HAS CUSTODY AND HE TOLD ME TO GO TO COURT HE OFFERED TO SEND ME A LETTER WITHOUT SPEAKING TO THE OTHER SIDE
      the 2nd guy they chose was gestetner the first was in a coma (and is now dead)

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  22. so these 2 parties never quite made it to a real beis din. In the meantime we have a court case in arkaos which both sides claim the other started.
    It's very clear that these 2 should go to a beis din but none of us outsiders reading about this on the internet can figure out whose fault it is the they are not in beis din.

    Now ORA comes in and says "who cares whose fault this is? He has to give a get!". "And we have rabbis who say he's wrong".

    I and most people on the internet have a great degree of mistrust for documents signed by rabbis. And I don't think someone must give a get before the case has been heard in a bes din. If you want to make a demonstration go to both their houses and chant "stop being meagen yourselves! get your selves to a beis din!"

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  23. Chaim from LakewoodJune 25, 2012 at 1:35 PM

    I was in Staten Island yesterday. I doubt "Stan" was. We were very peaceful. We stayed for an hour and had about 150 people there. I came to see what these rallies were like. I had no real knowledge of the issue besides the peripheral.
    As a "right winger', I am very embarrassed to have been at a rally with the YU organization. I don't know how the wife's family, being a respected family, let alone related to the Kotlers, can ally with an organization like ORA, but I felt that Daas Torah allowed it and I wanted to go, so I went.
    The Weisses are obviously not rich people. The houses on the opposite side of the block look very impressive but the Weisses house, which I understand is not fully theirs, is not exactly special. I also don't think anyone was home or they did a great job of hiding. Maybe "Yaakov Wolfson" was hiding them.
    We were promised some of the big Roshei Yeshiva there but only got the "B team" - at best. We came in 2 busses and probably had more police there than needed. As I said, we were respectful and peaceful.
    On the way home, I realized that numbers don't matter. Is 150 people, about 75 from Lakewood, all that agree with the Dodelsons (wife's side)? Does that mean that more people in Lakewood, the "silent majority" all think the husband is right? Working on this line of thinking, I asked myself if it really made a difference how many rabbis are on one side or another. I also realized that no one from the Weisses side ever talk. I like the way we all blame Rabbi Feinstein for the issues, but we simply don't know. No one ever talks. As the saying goes "those who know don't talk and those who talk don't know". People like Stan and others may know part of the story but they truly know nothing.
    I also went over the letters and realized that the rabbis' signatures are on a paper that never connected Feinstein and Weiss by relation. It was as though they, the other side according to Stan, wanted to hide this fact. I am not sure why they did it this way. Were they trying to hide the fact that the other side has a true gadol or were they showing they disagreed (like Stan wants to think) with his ruling? Unfortunately, ORA were the ones that blew the whole thing up to show the relationship. Perhaps more people would have come if they didn't think this was a fight amongst rabbis and a rally to defend an innocent woman. I simply don't know.
    I will say that a person who has been separated for so long should realize that their marriage is over and end it. I think the husband can wait until after the civil divorce though. As far as the arkaos and this rabbi and that rabbi, leave me alone. A rav is a rav. All of us living in Lakewood know that. We may not agree with a rav on any specific issue but we know, deep down in our hearts (even Stan's) that they are bigger than we are and their view counts.
    So, I appreciated going yesterday to see what it was like. I realized numbers don't make a difference. I realized that a rabbi is worth his weight in gold, that fights have 2 sides and the more I think I know the less I really do. "Stan" that last part goes double for you and the other know it alls that are here. Lastly, I doubt I will ever go to another ORA rally in my life. However, if someone wants to protest chilul shabbos - count me in.

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    1. There weren't much more than 25 people, if you don't count the cops. Bussed in, no less. They couldn't even find much support locally. So they needed the Kipa Sruga crowd.

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    2. If I were you Chaim I would go beg R Reuvein mechillah for causing him unjustified tzar and the huge chillul hashem you took part in. After 120 I dont think your daas torah excuse will go well in the beis din shel mailah. You should have done your research before following blindly.

      Are you even aware of the countless issurim Jeremy Stern is oiver on a daily basis? Are you aware thet he is a koifer and supports the abuse of children? Did you bother to call reb reuvein or the weiss family?

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  24. A husband does not have to give up his marriage even if his wife walks out on him for a very extended period of time. He has the right to insist that the marriage get back together.

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  25. This post was sent in by Tzadok BECAUSE the 'Jewish Press On Line' took down the page withing 24 hours of it being posted.
    Did anybody stop and ask WHY?!? Why did the 'JP on line' take it down?
    And did anybody notice that the Jewish Press Paper has stopped supporting Jeremy Stern and ORA? Ask yourself why this may be. And then call Jeremy Stern at ORA and ask HIM why for years the JP supported his organization and now they have backed away from him and will not publish anything related to him and ORA. call him and ask him - just don't expect the truth from him. If the JP no longer supports him, I don't think we should either!

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  26. lakewood residentJune 27, 2012 at 7:12 PM

    Rav Malkiel Kotlers Uncle Rabbi Gavriel Finkel heads the Local Bais Din Vaad Hadayonim here in Lakewood you can find out all you need to know about Rabbi Finkel and his Bais Din by doing a Google search on "Vaad Hadayonim Lakewood" or "Gavriel Finkel Lakewood" good luck on your search

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  27. lakewood may be a right wing town when it comes to issues like Yoshen and other Chumrus however when it comes to womans rights Lakewood is an extremely Liberal town Possibaly even more so than the Modern Orthodox it is common knowledge for people who are involved in these issues that Lakewood will ALLWAYS and I reapeat ALLWAYS side with the Woman Any woman IN can call the police have their Husband Arrested or get a restraining order against her Husband any time no questions asked The Botei Dinim allways Back the woman This is a fact Known To all Botei Dinim in The Tri State Area And All the Askonim in Lakewood Know It

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  28. What People Outside Lakewood Do not Fully Understand is That aside FroM Lakewood Being Named The IHR Hatorah Lakewood has An Abundace OF Gashmius your average Kollel Family Lives in A Brand new 5 bedroom 3 full bath HUD approved Home with Wic and Food Stamps and a rentable Basement with parks trees and grass galore Beaches Kosher Upscale Restaurants Galore shopping malls in Brooklyn you would have to be a Multi MillionAir to live like your average Kollel Yungerman in Lakewood

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