When Aguiar says he "was framed" and that there is lots more to this case, he is referring to machinations by Tom Kaplan and Rabbi Tropper against him.
This is entering a dangerous phase.
Now that Alan Dershowitz has agreed to take on Guma's claims of police brutality (those videos and photos do seem very graphic evidence) in this abuse case as well as putting together a legal team, this is not going to be good for either Kaplan and Tropper, obviously.
"Boro Park said...Alan Dershowitz went off the derech after learning in Eitz Chaim yeshiva on 13th Ave."
Did the Eitz Chaim Yeshiva on 13th Ave cause him to go off the derech as your statement also implies?
What was wrong with them that they couldn't keep him on the derech, if as you seem to mean he went OTD?
Maybe Guma will help him get more connected to Yiddishkeit. Anyhow, Dershowitz is known as a proud Jew and never renounced his Yiddishkeit, like lots of folks life took its toll on him. He is a brilliant man and outstanding jurist. Whoever advised Guma on this move was also brilliant, you need to have a head like Dershowitz's on your side when you are up against a team like Kaplan and Rabbi Tropper with Rav Reuven Feinstein involved.
Dershowitz is fearless and he and Guma are going to make a great team and will cause a huge splash (see them ride together in that red convertible in the video, what a riot). Tropper is in for the thrashing of his life if Guma is prepared to take on big guns like Dershwoitz to defend him.
I did not mean to imply Eitz Chaim bears any blame for Dershowitz. If they do I have no knowledge of it.
From what I can gather from Dershowitz's book "Chutzpah" he has plenty of it and admits leaving Torah & mitzvos in order to be rodef taavos.
Dershowitz's definition of a Jew is certainly not something to be proud of. But if he is going to use his brilliant mind to stop Tropper, then kol hakovod.
"Boro Park said...I did not mean to imply Eitz Chaim bears any blame for Dershowitz."
I know you didn't mean that, but there is a possibility maybe even a probability that their rebbeim and sad state was part of his leaving Yiddishkeit which it is not clear if he was ever really a reliable Shommer Torah Umitzvos.
But it's really besides the point. Tom Kaplan and his wife Daphene Recanati are also NOT Shommer Torah Umitsvos yet Tropper has no problem using them and taking their money in the tens of millions without ever getting them to become as frum as he demands that all his followers who land up in his yeshiva and must submit to his rules or else.
Seriously though, none of us have any idea what is going on here. Any speculations of what is really happening between Tropper and Aguiar is just barbershop gossip.
There will be more information from both cases that Aguiar is involved with. Right now this is all just chit chat.
"Bartley Kulp said...Seriously though, none of us have any idea what is going on here."
RaP: Not true. Some of us have been following and studying the Tropper-Kaplan-Aguiar nexus EJF-Lillian Jean Kaplan Foundation affairs for over two years.
This blog was the first one to ask questions about Guma that after one year it was threatened by Guma's attorney and forced to take down posts about him from the past. If it was nothing, there would have been no need for legal threats. This blog has faced the mosts consistent onsluaghts from team-Tropper as they have sent over various posters and trolls to defend TRopper/EJF and failing that to argue and derail discussions.
Often it has been obvious that Rabbi Tropper himself is the one behind some posts and arguments and insults against the owner of this blog Rabbi Dr. Eidensohn/da'as torah and other hard-working posters who do not buy the the EJF PR line but questions them instead.
"Any speculations of what is really happening between Tropper and Aguiar is just barbershop gossip."
RaP: Are you kidding? You must have the wrong blog then, or you have missed what has been posted and been discussed for over two years on this blog in great detail. Are you working for either Guma or Rabbi Tropper or just poking fun for the heck of it?
There have also been serious articles and reports, enough to build quite a good and comprehensive picture of what is unfolding. There is more to go by than mere "Kremlin watching" with the Internet providng almost instant access to articles and events as they happen, as you know.
"There will be more information from both cases that Aguiar is involved with. Right now this is all just chit chat."
RaP: Indeed there will be more serious revelations from and about all concerned as the legal cases and dinei Torah between Kaplan/Tropper and Guma heat up and unfold. But this blog has consistently focused on all the relevant issues almost as they come up and wrestled with understanding what's up.
Your claims are groundless and sound silly. You can do better and you know it.
"Boro Park said...Dershowitz's mother might still be alive and living in Boro Park. She was always shomer Shabbos."
RaP: Ok, so? Everyon's mother or grandmother or greatmother was shommer shabbos at one point, what's the chiddush, that Jews have assimilated and dropped Yiddishkeit?
Before the Haskala almost every Jew was a Shommer Shabbos. During the golus of the past 2000 years those Jews who stopped keeping Shabbos were all lost to the Jewish people eventually.
"Another Alan Dershowitz is his first cousin, a frum lawyer in Lakewood."
RaP: So what is the point of this information? It actually works against Rabbi Tropper because he is not the most popular rabbi of the Lakewood oilem.
But your points are nisht tzum zach and have zero to do with who Guma hires as his lawyers. The point about Dershowitz is that he is a HIGH PROFILE LAWYER, meaning he does not function in anonymity, because anyone who hires him KNOWS and WANTS the media attention that automatically comes with him in on a case, and in this case Guma has obviously calculated that Dershowitz will bring him not just top-rated legal help but also added media attention. Dershowitz is respected in the legal community for his abilities and capabilities and strategies, and no one would want to tangle with him in court.
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Alan Dershowitz went off the derech after learning in Eitz Chaim yeshiva on 13th Ave.
ReplyDeleteWhen Aguiar says he "was framed" and that there is lots more to this case, he is referring to machinations by Tom Kaplan and Rabbi Tropper against him.
ReplyDeleteThis is entering a dangerous phase.
Now that Alan Dershowitz has agreed to take on Guma's claims of police brutality (those videos and photos do seem very graphic evidence) in this abuse case as well as putting together a legal team, this is not going to be good for either Kaplan and Tropper, obviously.
Fiction could not have invented such a story.
"Boro Park said...Alan Dershowitz went off the derech after learning in Eitz Chaim yeshiva on 13th Ave."
ReplyDeleteDid the Eitz Chaim Yeshiva on 13th Ave cause him to go off the derech as your statement also implies?
What was wrong with them that they couldn't keep him on the derech, if as you seem to mean he went OTD?
Maybe Guma will help him get more connected to Yiddishkeit. Anyhow, Dershowitz is known as a proud Jew and never renounced his Yiddishkeit, like lots of folks life took its toll on him. He is a brilliant man and outstanding jurist. Whoever advised Guma on this move was also brilliant, you need to have a head like Dershowitz's on your side when you are up against a team like Kaplan and Rabbi Tropper with Rav Reuven Feinstein involved.
Dershowitz is fearless and he and Guma are going to make a great team and will cause a huge splash (see them ride together in that red convertible in the video, what a riot). Tropper is in for the thrashing of his life if Guma is prepared to take on big guns like Dershwoitz to defend him.
Stay tuned.
I did not mean to imply Eitz Chaim bears any blame for Dershowitz. If they do I have no knowledge of it.
ReplyDeleteFrom what I can gather from Dershowitz's book "Chutzpah" he has plenty of it and admits leaving Torah & mitzvos in order to be rodef taavos.
Dershowitz's definition of a Jew is certainly not something to be proud of. But if he is going to use his brilliant mind to stop Tropper, then kol hakovod.
I can just see it now. Will the Tropper propaganda machine start broadcasting pictures of Dershowitz sitting with his rotzeyech client OJ Simpson?
ReplyDeleteThis could be like the mudslinging TV commercial war in the NYC Mayoral election.
"Boro Park said...I did not mean to imply Eitz Chaim bears any blame for Dershowitz."
ReplyDeleteI know you didn't mean that, but there is a possibility maybe even a probability that their rebbeim and sad state was part of his leaving Yiddishkeit which it is not clear if he was ever really a reliable Shommer Torah Umitzvos.
But it's really besides the point. Tom Kaplan and his wife Daphene Recanati are also NOT Shommer Torah Umitsvos yet Tropper has no problem using them and taking their money in the tens of millions without ever getting them to become as frum as he demands that all his followers who land up in his yeshiva and must submit to his rules or else.
Dershowitz's mother might still be alive and living in Boro Park. She was always shomer Shabbos.
ReplyDeleteAnother Alan Dershowitz is his first cousin, a frum lawyer in Lakewood.
In this weeks episode of Dallis...
ReplyDeleteSeriously though, none of us have any idea what is going on here. Any speculations of what is really happening between Tropper and Aguiar is just barbershop gossip.
There will be more information from both cases that Aguiar is involved with. Right now this is all just chit chat.
"Bartley Kulp said...Seriously though, none of us have any idea what is going on here."
ReplyDeleteRaP: Not true. Some of us have been following and studying the Tropper-Kaplan-Aguiar nexus EJF-Lillian Jean Kaplan Foundation affairs for over two years.
This blog was the first one to ask questions about Guma that after one year it was threatened by Guma's attorney and forced to take down posts about him from the past. If it was nothing, there would have been no need for legal threats. This blog has faced the mosts consistent onsluaghts from team-Tropper as they have sent over various posters and trolls to defend TRopper/EJF and failing that to argue and derail discussions.
Often it has been obvious that Rabbi Tropper himself is the one behind some posts and arguments and insults against the owner of this blog Rabbi Dr. Eidensohn/da'as torah and other hard-working posters who do not buy the the EJF PR line but questions them instead.
"Any speculations of what is really happening between Tropper and Aguiar is just barbershop gossip."
RaP: Are you kidding? You must have the wrong blog then, or you have missed what has been posted and been discussed for over two years on this blog in great detail. Are you working for either Guma or Rabbi Tropper or just poking fun for the heck of it?
There have also been serious articles and reports, enough to build quite a good and comprehensive picture of what is unfolding. There is more to go by than mere "Kremlin watching" with the Internet providng almost instant access to articles and events as they happen, as you know.
"There will be more information from both cases that Aguiar is involved with. Right now this is all just chit chat."
RaP: Indeed there will be more serious revelations from and about all concerned as the legal cases and dinei Torah between Kaplan/Tropper and Guma heat up and unfold. But this blog has consistently focused on all the relevant issues almost as they come up and wrestled with understanding what's up.
Your claims are groundless and sound silly. You can do better and you know it.
"Boro Park said...Dershowitz's mother might still be alive and living in Boro Park. She was always shomer Shabbos."
ReplyDeleteRaP: Ok, so? Everyon's mother or grandmother or greatmother was shommer shabbos at one point, what's the chiddush, that Jews have assimilated and dropped Yiddishkeit?
Before the Haskala almost every Jew was a Shommer Shabbos. During the golus of the past 2000 years those Jews who stopped keeping Shabbos were all lost to the Jewish people eventually.
"Another Alan Dershowitz is his first cousin, a frum lawyer in Lakewood."
RaP: So what is the point of this information? It actually works against Rabbi Tropper because he is not the most popular rabbi of the Lakewood oilem.
But your points are nisht tzum zach and have zero to do with who Guma hires as his lawyers. The point about Dershowitz is that he is a HIGH PROFILE LAWYER, meaning he does not function in anonymity, because anyone who hires him KNOWS and WANTS the media attention that automatically comes with him in on a case, and in this case Guma has obviously calculated that Dershowitz will bring him not just top-rated legal help but also added media attention. Dershowitz is respected in the legal community for his abilities and capabilities and strategies, and no one would want to tangle with him in court.
This is defintely not good news for team Tropper
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