Tuesday, February 24, 2009

EJF - Trojan horse proselytizing


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Since the 18th century, the Jewish religion has been open to enlightenment that enabled new interpretation of some of the laws and traditions of the Jewish people. With this enlightenment came different movements or denominations of Judaism, and these different sects hold different ideas and values as well as different interpretations of Jewish law.

Orthodox Jews: Orthodox Jews believe that the 613 commandments that are contained in the Torah are binding to all Jews. They strictly observe all of the laws and traditions of the Jewish people and still are members of everyday society. Those Orthodox Jews that do not integrate with society are called Chasidic Jews, and can be identified by their distinct dress and separate living situations.

Conservative Jews: Conservative Jews believe in observing the laws and commandments of the Torah, while still believing the law is adaptable to modern culture while still staying true to the concept of a eternal Jewish family.

Reform Jews: Reform Jews basically believe that the Torah was written by men, rather than God, yet they still embrace many of the traditions and laws contained therein. While they don’t believe the laws are binding, they follow them loosely to maintain tradition.

by Phil

Jewish Guidelines for Modesty

They way we dress, look and carry ourselves are the first things people notice about us. Jewish law dictates care and modesty in every day dress, as your clothes present much about who you are and what you stand for. Here are some basic modesty guidelines for women of the Jewish faith to follow and teach their eternal Jewish family about.

Skirts should fall to 4 inches above the knee, and styles such as skirts that feature slits or wraparound styles should not be worn. The most acceptable type of skirt is an a-line that doesn’t allow any gaping.

Shirts should be conservative and the sleeves should fall to three quarters length and no shorter. You may be permitted to wearing short sleeves, as long as they fall three inches from the shoulder.

Necklines should be modest and not show the collarbone. Again, you may be permitted to wear shirts that expose three inches below the neckline, but other wise should not show any more of the chest.

Clothes should be loose and comfortable, with no tight fitting or sheer fabrics. A faithful Jew should consciously dress modestly no matter where she is; whether it is at synagogue or on vacation, the rules for modesty are the same. She should be an example to her eternal Jewish family by dressing modestly because she wants to.

7 comments :

  1. This from the visting regulation to Otisville (where many Orthodox Jews reside) and it will be good for klal Yisroel if Tropper will be taken there.

    http://www.bop.gov/locations/institutions/otv/OTV_visit_hours.pdf


    20. Dress Code for Visitors: Visitors who are not properly attired will be denied a visit. Visitors are not allowed to wear suggestive, provocative or otherwise revealing clothing when visiting an inmate. Inappropriate slogans and/or depictions on clothing are prohibited. The following restrictions on clothing will be strictly enforced:

    a. Tops should cover the upper body, including stomach, chest/breasts, and back. Sun dresses, sleeveless shirts/blouses, sheer or low-cut blouses, halter tops, or spaghetti strapped shirts will not be permitted to be worn during visiting. Male visitors will use the same discretion in attire regarding sleeveless shirts. No see-through material will be permitted.

    b. Female visitors will not be permitted to wear cut off
    shorts, skorts, or kulats. Shorts, skirts or dresses must not be shorter than three (3) inches above the center of the knee for persons 16 years of age and older. Spandex, leotards, form fitting clothing or pants with holes are not permitted during visiting. Male visitors will use the same discretion in attire regarding shorts.

    c. Hats, caps, bandanas or any other type of head gear is not permitted on any adult visitor. The exception is religious headwear identified as the following: kufis, yarmulkes, turbans, crowns, and headbands, as well as scarves and head wraps for orthodox Muslim and Jewish women.

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  2. Skirts should fall to 4 inches above the knee ?????

    You may be permitted to wearing short sleeves, as long as they fall three inches from the shoulder????

    You may be permitted to wear shirts that expose three inches below the neckline?????

    Please point me to the major Posek
    that considers any of the above to be modest dress.

    In the very modern, "white hat" synagogue I attend, a woman dressed as above would not be seated or even permitted in the vestibule.

    Someone should tell EJF that wrap around skirts are among the most modest you can buy because they tend to run very full. You just have to put in a a few snaps, pins, buttons etc to make them stay closed. My tweens (as did I and my sister at that age) always wear wrap skirts during those years of most rapid growth, its just practical. That is what they make "kilt" pins for.

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  3. Modern Orthodox practice is for sleeves to reach the elbows and shirts to cover the collarbone, skirts to cover the knees.

    EJF must be doing Reform or Conservative.

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  4. B"H
    lol, JerseyGirl look at the link in his post these are dress rules for people visiting a federal prison in Otisville, New York prison in NY not halacha.

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  5. I am looking at the post on Daas Torah under the underlined "Jewish Guidelines for Modesty".

    My quotes are taken right from the post:


    Jewish Guidelines for Modesty

    They way we dress, look and carry ourselves are the first things people notice about us. Jewish law dictates care and modesty in every day dress, as your clothes present much about who you are and what you stand for. Here are some basic modesty guidelines for women of the Jewish faith to follow and teach their eternal Jewish family about.

    Skirts should fall to 4 inches above the knee,


    and styles such as skirts that feature slits or wraparound styles should not be worn. The most acceptable type of skirt is an a-line that doesn’t allow any gaping.

    Shirts should be conservative and the sleeves should fall to three quarters length and no shorter.

    You may be permitted to wearing short sleeves, as long as they fall three inches from the shoulder.

    Necklines should be modest and not show the collarbone.

    Again, you may be permitted to wear shirts that expose three inches below the neckline, but other wise should not show any more of the chest.

    Clothes should be loose and comfortable, with no tight fitting or sheer fabrics. A faithful Jew should consciously dress modestly no matter where she is; whether it is at synagogue or on vacation, the rules for modesty are the same. She should be an example to her eternal Jewish family by dressing modestly because she wants to.


    Please re-read it. And if you know of any Orthodox Posek who permits mini skirts and cap sleeves, please let me know. Maybe I will want to switch Ravs so I can go to Shoprite in a tennis outfit or bathing suit cover up like everyone else does all summer.

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