Monday, July 20, 2020

Trump’s Deceptive Ad on Biden and Defunding the Police

https://www.factcheck.org/2020/06/trumps-deceptive-ad-on-biden-and-defunding-the-police/


A Trump for President ad deceptively suggests that presumptive Democratic presidential nominee Joe Biden supports a campaign to “defund the police.” But Biden has said explicitly that he doesn’t.
However, Biden has said categorically and repeatedly that he opposes defunding the police, a cause espoused by some of those protesting the death of George Floyd in police custody in Minneapolis and police misconduct in general.
“No, I don’t support defunding the police,” Biden told “CBS Evening News” anchor Norah O’Donnell on June 8. “I support conditioning federal aid to police, based on whether or not they meet certain basic standards of decency and honorableness. And, in fact, are able to demonstrate they can protect the community and everybody in the community.”
Biden reiterated that position in an op-ed published in USA Today on June 10.

11 comments :

  1. A political ad that's deceptive and attacks an opponent unfairly is about as newsworthy as reporting that the sun rose in the east.

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  2. We have to understand who the police are before we have this conversation.

    The criminal justice system in this country has some serious flaws that are well known. Two such flaws are that cops can end up.arresting someone, then the person is not convicted, and the cycle starts of the police arresting the person over and over to no avail -- the criminal gets off, or gets a light sentence and gets out to continue his pattern of criminal behavior.

    Another flaw, related to the first one, is that instead of reforming criminals, jail and prison end up making hardened criminals.

    So, long ago society relegated to the police the job of punishing criminals and giving criminals a disincentive for commiting crimes. Police rough people up. Police lie. Etc. Not all police. But enough of them enough of the time to maintain some semblance of order on the streets.

    The judges and prosecutors go along with this except when police conduct steps too far over the line.

    Now we know why the oppressed communities -- those who feel the brunt of the rude police "justice" -- want to defund the police. The police become a burden to them. When a cop car cruises through my community where crime is relatively low, I hardly notice. But when a cop car cruises through a crime ridden community, people cower. It's an unpleasant feeling. So why not just eliminate the police presence in the community?

    Well, many, if not most, people can figure out why not. Because without police it's going to just be much worse. People cower now? Wait till thugs and mobs and wild and out of control indivduals rule the roost!

    There's no good solution. Police on the one hand in combat mode, and mayhem on the other hand.

    America has some people who by and large control themselves and manage to stay on the right side of the law. And there are others who struggle with self control and not breaking the law.

    This cuts across all races. But unless an observer intentionally and forcefully ignores it, they will quickly figure out that many Black people are in the latter category of getting in trouble with the law. Some of that has to do with poverty, discrination, and jail not being such a disincentive to them. Whatever the reason, Blacks fill the prisons in an amount disproportionate to their percentage of the population.

    In fact, the Thirteenth Amendment specifically exempts prisons from the prohibition against slavery. Thus, there are perhaps more enslaved Black men today in prison in America then there were throughout all the hundreds of years of slavery!!

    There is no good solution to all this. But defunding the police is a good start. It will force the law abiding Blacks in the cities to band together and figure out how they are going to deal with the criminal class in their midst. Their solution may involve things that are unconstitutiinal and illegal, but they will get away with it because there will be no police. And order will be restored.

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  3. "Oh, I'm not for defunding the police. I'm just for setting a standard for funding that the police can't meet!

    #youcanfoolsomeofthepeople

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  4. and they need to be criticized as should all false and misleading accusations

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  5. Here's your fact check: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V4CLoiA3vfQ Go to 23:00, after Biden had danced around the question for a minute or so, "But do we agree that we can redirect some of the funding?"

    Biden's answer: "Yes. Absolutely."

    The Democrats and their media and "fact check" organizations are once again playing Orwellian word games. Redirect funding away from police is another way of saying defunding of the police. To claim that redirecting funding to other things is somehow NOT taking away funds from police, and NOT defunding them, well you'd have to extract a person's brain for them to believe that one.

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  6. And for redirecting funds that would otherwise go to police, but that isn't taking away funds from the police because it didn't reach their pockets yet if we redirect it before it gets there!

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  7. nope! that is not the understanding Trump or Wallace had

    you are simply moving the goal post by changing what they were referring to

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  8. “Trump’s Deceptive Ad on Biden” Getting back to the K-G garbage heter and to Mendel Epstein et al. What can King David or any good judge do with a case of an angry wife testifying that her husband is bad? Can an angry wife testify that her husband is a murderer? Can an angry son testify that his father is a murder? No. “Parents shall not be put to death for children, nor children be put to death for parents: a person shall be put to death only for his own crime.” (Deuteronomy 24:16)
    The angry wife seeks a divorce from her bad recalcitrant husband. She tries shaming and protests. No help. She brings evidence to a court that he is bad. Evidence other than her testimony and other than testimony from their children or from her mother.
    (internet 2012):
    “Supporters of Tamar Epstein, whose ex-husband, Aharon Friedman, refuses to give her a religious divorce, have been pressuring Friedman's boss, U.S. Rep. Dave Camp, R-Michigan, to fire Friedman. They have protested in front of Camp's office, signed a petition at change.org, started a website (freetamar.org) and in February, bombarded Camp's official congressional Facebook page. But Susan Aranoff, director of Agunah International, which supports Jewish women seeking divorces, said social media has little effect because many husbands still are resistant after all the bullets have been fired."

    Trump brings evidence that Biden is bad and would be a terrible president. Trump has standing to do that. Wrong question: will Trump’s evidenced hold up in a court of law? Voters will vote November 3, 2020. Right question: will voters favor Trump, God willing.? Yes I support Trump and Netanyahu.

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  9. trump is a chronic liar he has no standing or basic intelligence to testify about anything. After all his crowd size was larger than Obama's. And he is the wold's greatest expert on pandemic control

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  10. How did he become a billionaire and then president with no basic intelligence? I'm not suggesting he is Einstein or Freud, or even lehavdil ad infinitum, the ohr sameach .

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  11. he is a great con man and at this point it is not clear that he is a billionaire.

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