Sunday, March 11, 2018

another foolish rabbi - Rabbi David Grossman defends accused Australian abuser without evidence or beis din

rabbi grossman realizesbhe made big mistake and withdraws stupid offer
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The Supreme Court on Thursday ordered a woman wanted in Australia on 74 charges of sex abuse, including rape, while teaching in a Jewish school, to be kept in police custody in a medical facility while it considers moving her to house arrest.
Australia wants the woman, whose name is gagged in Israel by court order because she has not been accused of committing a crime in the country, to be extradited for allegedly sexually abusing children in a local school, Adass Israel.

Israel’s state prosecution says she is feigning mental illness to avoid extradition. Last week, a court said that it would delay consideration of whether to extradite her until a psychiatrist can review her case.
The woman’s lawyer, Yehuda Fried, told the court Thursday his client was not a flight risk.
He said: “She has nowhere to go. She is wanted worldwide.”
The prosecution had appealed after a lower court decision that would have seen the woman freed from police custody on Friday and sent to house arrest with a prominent rabbi who vouched for her.
Rabbi Yitzchak Dovid Grossman, well-known among mainstream Israelis for his philanthropic work, served as a character witness for the defendant in the Jerusalem District Court on Wednesday, saying that “for her to be in custody is a humiliation.” He offered to host her in house arrest at his home, adding that if she left the house “for even a second, we will take her straight to the police immediately,” according to the Brisbane Times.
The initial court decision to release the woman prompted harsh criticism from an activist who wants to see her extradited to Australia and held to account.
The woman “has been released on bail based on some random rabbi’s testimony that he will supervise her,” Dassi Erlich, who has accused the teacher of abusing her when she was a pupil, charged on Facebook. “If Rabbi Grossman can have a voice, someone who is not a part of this case at all, where is our voice?!”
Grossman received the Israel Prize in 2004 and the Presidential Medal of Distinction in 2013 for having rehabilitated tens of thousands of disadvantaged children through his educational work, which began in 1972. He was twice offered the position of chief rabbi of Israel, but declined in order to focus on his position as head of the Migdal Haemek yeshiva.
Fried said last week that the court ruled the woman should be dealt with “in the realm of mental illness.” Fried said that likely meant a years-long process before her extradition can be reconsidered.
But Israel’s Court Administration later said that the court will convene again on March 28 after a psychiatric evaluation has been carried out, indicating an extradition decision could be taken sooner.[....]

11 comments :

  1. There are no real heroes anymore. So sad.

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  2. Yechezkel HirshmanMarch 18, 2018 at 9:27 AM

    One does not need evidence or Beis Din to defend somebody. one only needs evidence or beis din to be moser somebody. The Toveah calls a din Torah not the nitvah.

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  3. I agree Grossman was defending an alleged abuser without facts or ruling of beis din and in effect was passing judgment on the purported victims

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  4. Yechezkel HirshmanMarch 18, 2018 at 2:01 PM

    In case you didn't understand the Hebrew the accusers have to call a din Torah and present evidence not the accused.

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  5. it is interesting that you complrtely ignore what the major poskim say and you makeup your own halacha

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  6. Yechezkel HirshmanMarch 19, 2018 at 2:07 AM

    It is interesting that you have not read my material and don't really know what I have written (we have gone around that before as well). I have ignored nobody and am well in sync with the major poskim. There is not a single major posek who has permitted extraditing ML to Australia. (Incidentally, it would require a BD to do that and there hasn't been one.)
    Rabbi Grossman is clearly not acting in accordance to his views, but in accordance to those who send him his checks.

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  7. What is wrong if he is asking for house arrest while she is waiting for the extradition ruling? He is not exonerating her, nor is he mitigating the terrible wrongdoing. He is simply asking for a different venue for her temporary incarceration, until she is tried in Australia.

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  8. from his quick withdrawal of the offer he clearly disagrees with your assessment

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  9. That's not what he said. He withdrew because his offer was being misconstrued as supporting her attempts to avoid trial. That was never his intention.

    Either way, they just ruled not to release her:
    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-03-19/malka-leifer-to-remain-in-prison/9564732?pfmredir=sm

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