Unfortunately my view is not some warped fantasies of a blogger who harbors hatred towards Torah Judaism - something which is implied in his criticism. The opposite is true. My life has been devoted to preserving and enhancing the Orthodox Jewish community - for many years.The whole chain of events pains me greatly as I am a great admirer of Rabbi Kaminestky and Rabbi Greenblatt. So while I love and admire gedolim - I love Torah and truth more.
My view is actually held by the clear majority of rabbinic figures in the Orthodox world. These rabbis are now trying to deal with the delicate and embarrassing situation of gedolim acting as Reform Jews in trying to ameliorate the unpleasant situation of a young woman they felt an obligation to use their full power to help.
The transgressions of normative halacha and halachic procedure done by these gedolim are so blatant - most high school students can fully understand the problematic halachic issues and the misuse of psychology to justify it. The only issue is whether to deny that the emperor has no clothes - in a vain attempt to preserve the illusion of rabbinic authority and infallibility.
The transgressions of normative halacha and halachic procedure done by these gedolim are so blatant - most high school students can fully understand the problematic halachic issues and the misuse of psychology to justify it. The only issue is whether to deny that the emperor has no clothes - in a vain attempt to preserve the illusion of rabbinic authority and infallibility.
I am thouroughly disgusted by both you and your daastorah blog. how dare you criticize rav Shmuel kaminetsky shlita, you don't even come to his toenails. I am ready to vomit from the comments you posted after the rav Ahron Feldman article. I hope the next article you publish will be asking mechila berabim from him and promising to close down your vile blog. You even attemt to claim he's not a Posek and attack his seforim while in the same breath admit you've never read them and rely on others for your opinion. What gall you have. Have a great week, I hope you'll think about what I am telling you.
Sent from my iPhone
I wonder if the writer of the email has a filter on his iPhone, as per the directive of the Gedolei Yisrael that he's defending.
ReplyDeleteIf he does, maybe he should include this blog in the list of "treif" sites to be filtered out, lest he חס ושלום be lead astray.
תלמוד בבלי מסכת בבא מציעא דף לא עמוד א
ReplyDeleteהוכח - אפילו מאה פעמים משמע, תוכיח - אין לי אלא הרב לתלמיד, תלמיד לרב מנין - תלמוד לומר הוכח תוכיח, מכל מקום.
Are the heavyweight Gedolim and even Chazal infallible? And can a schoolboy theoretically find errors (if they were made)? I think the Mishna in Horiot says yes. We don't accept a decision if it is so stupid a child could see it to be false. Since the mishnah is from the era of chazal, then it is the most radical philosophy in Orthodox Judaism, as it confirms even great members of the Sanhedrin are not infallible.
ReplyDeleteI understand that there maybe other Gedolim who disagree with Rav Shmuel Kaminetsky shlita. That is fine to mention. And you could ask questions and explain why you feel the other Gedolim are correct. However, for you to write one disrespectful word about Rav Kamenetsky is one hundred percent Assur! Rav Feldman's letter is very strong and yet he did not feel it necessary to be disrespectful of Rav Kamenetsky. And you do?? And to allow bezoy Talmidei Chachamim in the comments is on you my friend. You do excellent things, Why does this not frighten you??
ReplyDeleteWhat people need to understand is that this wasn’t a simple one
ReplyDeletetime lapse of judgement by RSK, that he made a chicken kosher when it was treif. RSK was an integral part of the Epstein family plan to make AF “go away”, and he used his “Gadol” status to bully anyone that tried getting in the way.
When the Epstein’s didn’t get their way in the Baltimore Bais Din (question still remains why they didn’t issue a seruv against TF) they had RSK issue statements saying that AF was “mechuyav according to halacha” to give a Get and explicitly authorized the very public shaming campaign against AF and his entire family.
R’ Hershel Schachter in Dec 2010 wrote “If the sage Rav
Shmuel Kamenetsky instructed that it is proper to pressure the husband to divorce his wife, then this wise elder has issued his instructions, and one cannot question his instructions”. We the public are still waiting for an explanation from RHS as it appears that he has egg all over his face.
For those that remember the chronological order of events the
Vaad of DC issued a letter on Dec 2010 saying that there was no Bais Din order for AF to give a get (while RSK & RHS was issuing statements to the
contrary) and that one must “follow the objectivity of Torah values &
halakhic principles” which meant to say that the ORA/RSK public demonstrations were Shla K’Halacha. It was only after RSK signed onto a bogus Seruv, in July of 2011, issued by the “Otisville Bais Din” and giving credibility to a sham process that the DC Vaad in October 2011 banned AF from every Shul in town. Again, RSK using his “Gadol” status to further the Epstein plan of getting rid of AF. As an aside AF is still banned from shuls in Silver Spring – the DC Vaad might want to explain why they are still relying on a seruv issued by the “Otisville Bais Din”.
There is a youtube video of a Brooklyn based Bais Yacov
administrator (long beard and black hat) at one of the ORA/RSK rallies saying that it is “Daas Torah” to be at the rally and publicly shame AF’s family. Again RSK used his status as a “Gadol” to cause the masses to sin.
One can only speculate what role RSK had in the attempted beat
down of AF in August 2012.
After all attempts failed and the Epstein’s along with RSK
seeing that no one in the Torah world would dare stand up to their actions no matter how obvious that they were acting Shla K’Halacha, they were emboldened to take the next step – annul the marriage with the most ridiculously flawed logic because after all who would dare question RSK.
This is how we got to this point. Seven years of bullying and intimidating anyone that dare get in their way. Besides for this blog the Torah world stayed silent and let RSK distort Halacha for his own agenda leading
him to believe that he is “above the law”.
So this is not about RSK making a mistake or having a different view of Halacha, this is about RSK using his status as a “Gadol” to act for seven years Shala K’Halacha and cause many to sin because of that. The bezoyin
is his own making.
Speaking for myself, generally speaking, I'm very careful about making critical comments about תלמידי חכמים. If I've spoken out, it's about a specific action that they allegedly did, not about the person himself. I think that overall, this is the spirit in which the comments are being made.
ReplyDeleteI point out that a Talmid Chacham has neglected to adhere to an explicit halacha:
ReplyDeleteשולחן ערוך (יו"ד סי' רמב, סעי' י)
"יש מי שכתב שאסור לחכם להתיר דבר התמוה שנראה לרבים שהתיר את האסור".
ש"ך יורה דעה סימן רמב, ס"ק יז
שאסור לחכם כו' - נראה דהיינו דוקא אם מתיר בסתם... אבל אם אומר לשואל טעם בדבר ומראה לו פנים או שמביא ראיות מתוך הספר מותר. עכ"ל.
A reasonable person will agree that a ruling permitting an "eishes ish" to remarry without having received a Get, qualifies as an "unusual
ruling". As such, the rabbis involved in this liberal dispensation are either halachically prohibited from making such pronouncements (as per the Shulchan Aruch), or they are duty bound to explain the basis for their leniency (as per the Shach).
The burden to explain such a ruling lies on those who made it.
Until they do so, the ruling is allowed to be criticized. In fact, it MUST be criticized, since this is part and parcel of protecting the integrity of the halachic process.
The public is waiting to hear the defense of this unusual ruling.
How is R' Sternbuch's position relevant? R' Sternbuch does not agree to R' Moshe Feinstein's position that a marraige could at times be voided as a result of mekach taus. So R' Sternbuch's real disagreement is with R' Moshe Feinstein.
ReplyDeleteYou should clearly mention that R' Sternbuch also opposes any instance where R' Moshe Feinstein said that the marriage is a mekach taus.
Yisroel Stein, you Mechutzif! The Gedolim who argued with Rav Kaminetsky spoke with proper Derech Eretz. They recognize that Rav Kaminetzky is a Gadol B'Yisroel. How dear you open your mouth like that. Such Azus Panim!!
ReplyDeleteOne other thing about R' Sternbuch. R' Sternbuch is meikil on the situations where a Heter Meah Rabbanim can be obtained.
ReplyDeleteSo here is how R' Sternbuch rules on some divorce related matters:
Halachic Prenuptial - against
Mekach Taus - against
other Get related matters - rules in favor of husband
Heter Meah Rabbanim - Lenient
It would be more understandable if he was strict regarding his conditions for a Heter Meah rabbanim. But he is lenient.
I think it is obvious that he is always ruling against woman.
Your letter from Rabbi Feldman proves that no matter how much you argue and disagree with the psak you speak with the utmost respect when you are talking about gedolei yisroel . Unlike you and many others who feel that they can bash freely!!!
ReplyDeleteWhile you call him a reform rabbi!!!! All while hiding behind the cloak of a ben torah who is upholdong the emes. disgusting.
ReplyDeleteHow can you say you are a admirer of rsk when you are accusing him of making a psak out of thin air with any basis in halacha you are calling him pretty much calling him a "Idiot" who admires idiots?
ReplyDeleteIf you want to continue to complement the Emperor on his
ReplyDeleteclothes that’s fine with me, but my religion doesn’t obligate me to do so. Sir,
you and people like you are the issue. If more people had stood up for Halacha
seven years ago this disgrace would not have happened. You put the Kovad of an individual above the
Torah. Who is the one being Mechutzif? Five years ago there were many on this
blog trying to defend RSK but most have fallen by the side as it became
obviously clear that his actions have been indefensible. You sir are having
hard time with the truth.
Daas Torah,
ReplyDeleteIt seems that you refused to publish my follow-up comment because it was too sharp. But sometimes the truth is sharp. So I will reword it here more delicately:
How are we to understand that time after time, in ruling on different divorce related issues, R' Sternbuch always rules against the woman? Sometimes his rulings are stringent (like by mekach taus), and sometimes the ruling is lenient (like by Heter Meah Rabbanim) but the common denominator is that R' Sternbuch's ruling is always against the woman.
Daas Torah,
ReplyDeleteWhy are sharp comments against RSK allowed, but not against R' Sternbuch?
you obviously are not aware that he has done considerably more with his life than give Tamar Epstein bad advice
ReplyDeleteI happen to believe that your depiction is accurate. Still, i counseled for respect - because in the environment we live in, unfortunately strong hand tactics are considered "necessary" in order to "get things done". I believe that the Kaminetskyies sincerely believed - and continue to believe - that AF is "crazy. Based on that FALSE believe, they used strong-arm tactics.
ReplyDeleteI have no doubt that they are wrong. AF is quote within the realm of "normal", and may actually be more normal than his detractors.
There is a youtube video of a Brooklyn based Bais Yacov administrator (long beard and black hat) at one of the ORA/RSK rallies saying that it is “Daas Torah” to be at the rally and publicly shame AF’s family.
ReplyDeleteWhich administrator and which beis yaakov? (And link.)
One can only speculate what role RSK had in the attempted beat
down of AF in August 2012.
That was Tamar hiring known thug Mendel Epstein for a hit job on her husband.
IsraelReader - you are definitely correct. And as i quoted the Chofetz Chaim elsewhere, no Loshon Hora is involved in demanding such an explanation.
ReplyDeleteIn the end, it's becoming pretty obvious that certain Rabbonim had "the wool pulled over their eyes", and they mistakenly gave a psychiatric diagnosis - which is often extremely subjective - the same weight as an objective medical one.
Rav Landesman points this out in his Teshuva. Except that even he is mostly pre-occupied with the מום not being serious enough. I'm pretty sure that it's even less than that.
The next piece in the Gemara is the story with שמואל and רב יהודה which I quoted elsewhere. An the תוס' ב"ב י: which says קבלה איש מפי איש that עליונים למטה ותחתונים למעלה refers to רב יהודה being in a "better place" בישיבה של מעלה than his Rebbe, דער הייליגע אמורא שמואל.
ReplyDeleteSee also the מהרש"א on the גמ' שבת קיט: לא חרבה ירושלים אלא בשביל שלא הוכיחו זה
את זה.
The מהרש"א says that there was plenty of תוכחה, just not from one תלמיד חכם to another.
So, the problem is old - even by Gedolim that where definitely "real", but חז"ל clearly tell us which path we should follow, regardless of what the naysayers would like.
there was a time when internet was also assur. It is much harder to do something asur using a small iphone than a big screen on a desktop PC. You probably can get more access on a computer than on an iphone. Most iphone users listen to music, send text messages or make phone calls.
ReplyDeleteI received an interesting call from an old friend in New York. Recently, we have shared emails regarding the chillul Hashem of allowing an eishes ish to remarry without a get. I live in Jerusalem and my friend knows that I have spoken with poskim regarding this issue and that I understand the rather simple halacha. As this blog posted, even a high school kid could easily understand this, fully. My friend has a dilemma. He is a businessman, works grueling hours and looks forward to attending the annual Agudath Israel Convention; this is his yearly habit. My friend is a successful, very bright guy, who attends a balabotish shul. His co-congregants are also extremely troubled over this inyun. His Rabbi has been dodging the issue.
ReplyDeleteBack to my friends dilemma. Though he is looking forward to attending the Agudah Convention, he feels he could not bear the hypocrisy of RSK, a member of the Moetzes Gedolei HaTorah, giving a shiur on ‘How to Lead and When to Follow’. He asked if I would attend. I answered that it would be a Kiddush Hashem NOT to attend. Further, I said that perhaps the ultimate KH would be to attend and and distribute stuffed enveloped with a letter inside explaining the inyun and calling for action. This would be a misa Pinchas, an act to rid Klal Yisroel not only of znus, but to save the whole concept of gitten.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DT1F0PCHMF8
ReplyDeletehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Svvy6GU8RRE
at 4:55 the women invokes the name of RSK as justification for the rally
the second link is the "Daas Torah" argument
I am Aware thats why I admire him .YOU on the other hand think he is a idiot so You obviously don't admire him. Don't make it like you don't have an agenda anybody reading your comments can see that.
ReplyDelete@Eddie
ReplyDeleteIt's very kind of you to try to be דן לכף זכות!
However my point wasn't about creating a discussion about the pros and cons of computers and iPhones. I'm concerned about שקר and inconsistency. If someone rants about כבוד התורה, then his own actions should reflect respect for the very same rabbis he's trying to defend. Having a filter on his iPhone would be his only defense.
So I encourage the person in question to answer for himself, does he or does he not have a filter on his iPhone, as per the directive of גדולי ישראל?
If he does, has this blog been listed in the list
of "treif" sites to be filtered out? (Obviously, not, as he seems to think that he knows all about what's being posted here).
I don't know who "had the wool pulled over their eyes".
ReplyDeleteTo permit an אשת איש on the basis of "reports", without interviewing the husband on their own, is an example of a person HIMSELF pulling the wool over his OWN eyes.
Perhaps your friend should send an email to the Agudah requesting clarification about their stance on the issue. He should mention that the concerns he has are not unique, and that many other laymen have the same concern.
ReplyDeleteThe Agudah is very sensitive to negative PR, and they need to be convinced about the severity of the matter. Only if they will see this as a toxic situation, will they be moved to go into damage control mode.
... Because - just as a tailor believes that he is better than his competition ... one rov believes that he knows better.
ReplyDelete..if only decisions where made with such - ישוב הדעת. They (falsely) don't think it's necessary. Lot's of decisions are unfortunately made that way.
ReplyDeleteI have a theory that the "doers" think that really working through issues will cause too much self-doubt. In yiddish they say "מדארף אריין טאנצען".
They don't think, so they don't know that there's any reason to doubt, and therefore they aren't aware that there might be a שאלה of שפיכות דמים.
Who is the beis yaakov administrator (and where does he appear in the video)?
ReplyDeleteI have a theory that the "doers" think that really working through
ReplyDeleteissues will cause too much self-doubt. In yiddish they say "מדארף אריין
טאנצען".
Very sad. I'll also put it in Yiddish:
זיי האבען טאקע אריינגעטאנצט, אבער זיי כאפען נישט אז זיי האבען אריינגיטאנצט אין א גרויסע פייער
"They don't think, so they don't know that there's any reason to doubt",
Are we to exhibit respect for people who don't think?
"...therefore they aren't aware that there might be a שאלה of שפיכות דמים".
I add: and גילוי עריות.
I fully agree that he should send an email as you suggested. I shall extend your suggestion. Everyone who is concerned and broken over this matter should email, write snail-mail or call the Agudah in America and abroad. The Agudah in England should be inundated with protests. Pressure your Rabbis to take action.
ReplyDeleteThis dire threat to our Holy Torah must be fought from the bottom up. The Rabbanim want this to disappear. Only strong and UNRELENTING pressure from the Am will close this breach in the Walls that our Holy Ancestors built and guarded with mesiras nefesh.
You are correct; the American Agudah is sensitive to public opinion. However, it is my hunch that the Moetzes has
already stated their position, derech agav, via the recent written statement condemning Open Orthodoxy. This was a superfluous action. At the May 2014 Agudah Dinner, with NY Mayor de Blasio in attendance, the Novominsker Rebbe blasted the OO, referring to the movement as “…intruders who sometimes in the name of Judaism completely subvert and destroy the eternal values of our people.” Thus, the timing of the written statement is troubling. It demonstrates power and unity; a circling of wagons, a clever defensive move.
Thus, we must redouble our efforts to stop this chillul Hashem.
R. Eideshon:
ReplyDeleteIsn't what you write an explicit halakha?
אמר רבא ולאפרושי מאיסורא אפילו בפניו שפיר דמי רבינא הוה יתיב קמיה דרב אשי חזייה לההוא גברא דקא אסר ליה לחמריה בצינתא בשבתא רמא ביה קלא ולא אשגח ביה א"ל ליהוי האי גברא בשמתא א"ל כי האי גוונא מי מתחזא כאפקרותא אמר ליה (משלי כא, ל) אין חכמה ואין תבונה ואין עצה לנגד ה' כל מקום שיש בו חילול השם אין חולקין כבוד לרב
Eruvin 63a
Brunfin,
ReplyDeleteToday I spoke with a major posek in Gittin who told me the following: A close friend of his who is also a major posek in Gittin (Both of them are heads of prominent Beth Dins for Gittin), heard some time ago what RSK wanted to do. He called him up and explained that it was wrong to permit Tamar to marry without a GET. It became an argument and then it became a shouting match. But all major rabbonim who heard this case have said that RSK doesn't know what he is talking about, and that Tamar's new children will be mamzerim.
It is nice to respect Gedolim. It is nice to respect children who are being born as mamzerim.
A man who lives in a world with many senior experts on Gittin and comes up with a new thing that nobody heard of , and he refuses to check out his opinion with true Gedolim, and then he convinces a Yesoma without a father and he becomes her father and rebbe, and now she is utterly disgraced, such a person is a piece of garbage, not a Gadol, not a Rov, not a Rosh Yeshiva, just pure garbage. For many months I have been writing on my blog torahhalacha.blogspot.com that RSK and R Greenblatt are mamzer makers, and that is exactly what they are. You can go to my blog with over 130 posts, and find one blog that does not bring proofs to my criticism, that they have no basis at all for what they are doing, and violate the basic principles of halocho, which is not their field anyway. I studied under true Gedolim, Reb Aharon Kotler, Reb Moshe Feinstein, and Rav Yosef Shalom Elyashev and many gedolim of the past generation wrote very strong endorsements of my halacha seforim. I know what halacha is, and I know when certain people do what they want and defy halacha. Those people I will say what they are, wicked people and mamzer makers.
ReplyDeleteQuestion: Do you believe that Tamar's next child will be a mamzer? And if you don't believe this, would you marry that child? And if you would not, as I am sure you would not, what do you think about somebody who took a woman without a father, a Yesoma, and destroyed her life, and the life of any child she will produce from her forbidden marriage? At least you can keep your mouth shut when people who do care about destroyed yesomose and babies born mamzerim tells is like it is, based on intensive training in halacha.
I believe you are mistaken. I am not discussing whether you are right or wrong. Or how bad it is. Completely irrelevant! One MUST give proper Derech Eretz to a Gadol B'Torah. Argue all day but be respectful. I am not a posek, but I am not sure whet is worse, improper Matering and Aishes Ish or Biyzoi Talmid Chacham bifarhesia! Everything you are promoting could be done with proper respect. Why is it necessary to allow disgusting cements?
ReplyDeleteI believe you are mistaken. I am not discussing whether you are right or wrong. Or how bad it is. Completely irrelevant! One MUST give proper Derech Eretz to a Gadol B'Torah. Argue all day but be respectful. I am not a posek, but I am not sure whet is worse, improper Matering and Aishes Ish or Biyzoi Talmid Chacham bifarhesia!
ReplyDeleteThus, we must redouble our efforts
ReplyDeleteYou need to double them before you redouble them.
I’m a
ReplyDeletehuge fan of Ploni. Ploni cites Shabbath
55a: “Rab Judah was sitting before Samuel. [when] a woman came and cried
before him,[ About a wrong done to her] but he ignored her. Said he to him,
Does not the Master agree [that] “Who stops his ears at the cry of the
wretched, He too will call and not be answered.” (Proverbs 21:13)?
I quote
Malbim: “The term dal (impoverished man) denotes a person who has lost his
wealth---generally by having been cheated or robbed. If a judge will not listen to his outcry and
will not give him any relief and help, he will suffer the same fate (measure
for measure), either through human agency or by Heaven’s punishment.”
Susan cheated and robbed me of my house and 55% of my pension. I hope the NYS judges will hear my outcry and
give me some relief and help---NYS Court of Appeals Motion 2015—1219 return
date November 9, 2015.
I might be excoriated for saying this, but I think that Torah-true Judaism is in major crisis.
ReplyDeleteOn the one hand, we have so-called 'Open-Orthodoxy', the compromises of so-called Modern Orthodoxy, and now breaks in Halacha by major rabbinic figures in the so-called Orthodox world.
On the other hand, we have the so-called 'Haredi' movement whose Rabbonim seem to prohibit everything - including things that they clearly do not understand. The Haredi world seems to be so fearful that no one breaks ranks and thinks for himself. (The Karliner Rebbe shlit"a seems to be one of the very few exceptions to this.)
So what can a thinking Jew do? Is there anyone for him to follow? Is there a normal derech left in Yiddishkeit?
And - I do NOT recommend that each person make their own derech - if only because it results in their children getting lost and not belonging anywhere.
I am also not saying that there are no Talmidei Chachomim or Tzaddikim. I know people who meet one or both of these definitions. But they do not lead based on their own opinions, usually out of (what I believe to be) misplaced modesty.
All told - Torah Judaism is in crisis, and there do not seem to be any real leaders left.
The_Original_Bored_Lawyer quotes Eruvin 63a: “Raba
ReplyDeleteruled: When it is a question of preventing one from committing a transgression
it is quite proper [for a disciple to give a legal decision] even in his
Master's presence. Rabina once sat in the presence of R. Ashi when he observed
that a certain person was tying his ass to a palm-tree on the Sabbath day [The
use of a growing tree on the Sabbath is Rabbinically forbidden]. He called out
to him but the other took no notice. Let this man, he called out, be placed
under the ban. Does such an act as mine [Acting in the presence of the
religious head of the place], he [Rabina] then asked [R. Ashi], appear as an
impertinence? “No wisdom, no prudence, and no counsel Can prevail against the Lord.
The horse is readied for the day of battle, But victory comes from the Lord (Proverbs
21:30-31). Wherever the Divine Name is being profaned no respect is to be shown
to one's Master. [Wisdom etc. of one's Master are regarded as of no consequence
when an act is committed against the Lord.]”
The Malbim says: “In private matters a man generally
has free will, and by proper planning and zeal he can succeed. Matters of public significance, however,
affecting for example an entire nation, are pre-ordained: there the Devine will
prevails. Human beings must act and make
their necessary preparations---for example, planning military strategy and
arranging forces and equipment for battle---but only the Almighty will decide
the outcome. In such matters affecting
an entire people, no received wisdom, innate understanding and perception, or
planning by skilled intelligence that can gauge the future, is of any avail
against His will.”
No one in being impertinent and insolent, in crying
out against T.E. remarrying with a get. We
must cry out against Obama and Kerry and their supporters, “but only the
Almighty will decide the outcome”
It is one thing to criticize their mistake and wrongdoing. It is quite another to allow comments that attempt to assassinate their character. Comments that call them fools, idiots, rosho gomur, mamzeirim factories should be edited. Just as Rav Kaminetzky is being accused that his warm feelings towards a certain family clouded his judgment, so too, we should not allow our warm feelings towards our brother to publish these types of hotheadedness from him.
ReplyDeleteWe have to protest the way halacha mandates that we protest. This should not be a game of saying how great I am.
I am grateful to Rabbi Eidensohn for his coverage of this sad saga. (Should all of his brothers comments be published? Should the guest post from fed up with corrupt rabbis - which calls all rabbis corrupt - have been published without a bit of answer?)
Please let us know the outcome.
ReplyDeleteHi Gerald!
ReplyDeleteNice to hear I have fans. I'm not sitting in front of Shmuel ... and there's no Mar Ukva in the neighborhood to offer you relief, just a cold, uncaring justice system. All I can do is feel your pain.
May Hashem help you in your time of distress!
Wow! Exactly what I've been thinking for years, and expressed quite clearly.
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ReplyDeleteI admire your taking up for Kovode HaTorah. But when you say that nobody neglects to speak honorably about the rabbis involved in this marriage without a GET, look again at those posted on the blog here. The prominent four rabbis Rabbi Shlomo Miller, Rabbi Eli Ber Wachtfogel, Rabbi Moshe Green, and Rabbi Yechiel Tauber, all of them very senior Torah scholars, wrote of the rabbis who make the remarriage without a GET as "rabbis" meaning they are fake rabbis, the greatest insult surely to make to a "Gadol." Another person Rabbi Gestetner wrote that both Rabbi Kaminetsky and Rabbi Greenblatt are in Cherem, the ultimate opposite of honoring him. Some did speak with honor, Rabbi Feldman and Rabbi Shternbuch and Rabbi Landesman. But they made it completely clear that what Rabbi G andn K did had no place in the Torah, which in its way, is the opposite of being a Gadol. They both said that these two were mamzer makers. Is that a Gadol?
Have you ever seen a mamzer? Would you like to meet the mamzerim that issue from Rabbis Greenblatt and Kaminetsky and tell them about the honor of the Torah, or would you rather think other thoughts? I would think other thoughts. I have seen people with this problem, and I have also seen people who twist the Torah. They are worse than mamzerim. Anyone who invents the Torah the way these people have is a complete rosho and deserves not honor only curses. One of the signers here who spoke with great respect to the two rabbis RSK and RNG told me that he did not disagree with me, but he wanted to honor these rabbis in the hope they would admit their mistake and return to the fold. But if they don't nobody thinks they are Gedolim.